DUST Search - my new assault => the gallente scout

dogman dave wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit:

Hi & Low Slots:
2 Complex Shield Extender
4 Basic Armor Plates

Weapons:
Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle
Six Kin Sub Machine Gun
Core Locus Grenade

Equipment:
Ishukone Cloak Field
Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive

yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain.

RIP minmatar assault

Dude, LOL, no, you realize most people don't recognize sarcasm as a form of humor? but yeah, a lot do run mid 400's to 600's and it works great. Cloak makes people less cautious which is good for the cloaker shotgunners, another option. Personally I like to run a 'mini- logi' with links (the link bonus is another boondoogle that needs sorting out).

CCP failed to predict this, or perhaps management didn't listen, or by the time they figured it out it was too late. Bottom line, cloak should have had a dedicated 'cloak slot' and there should have been a mechanism in place to make HP tanking unattractive enough to prevent them from taking over the medium frame duties. So what form should those take?

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

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Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1282	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:43:00 - [1] - Quote my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault
Eldest Dragon Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 466	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:47:00 - [2] - Quote Glad you got it bro, me and 50% of the other dust players got ours already, welcome to the party lol. So you think cloak/sg scouts are op huh, tbh idk if it's op or not, but i'll tell ya one thing I sure do like it lol.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1283	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:56:00 - [3] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: Glad you got it bro, me and 50% of the other dust players got ours already, welcome to the party lol. I took my some time to get into it because I wanted to try out the gallente commando with PLC cannon first
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2516	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:17:00 - [4] - Quote Why not a triage hive? Your repair is pretty low, also you are very easily countered by a shotgun Caldari scout. For the Federation!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 295	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:19:00 - [5] - Quote you still dont hide better than a dampened/kincated scout. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
dogman dave DUST University Ivy League 79	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:34:00 - [6] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault Dude, LOL, no, you realize most people don't recognize sarcasm as a form of humor? but yeah, a lot do run mid 400's to 600's and it works great. Cloak makes people less cautious which is good for the cloaker shotgunners, another option. Personally I like to run a 'mini- logi' with links (the link bonus is another boondoogle that needs sorting out). CCP failed to predict this, or perhaps management didn't listen, or by the time they figured it out it was too late. Bottom line, cloak should have had a dedicated 'cloak slot' and there should have been a mechanism in place to make HP tanking unattractive enough to prevent them from taking over the medium frame duties. So what form should those take? Dust is flawed. I admit it. I complain about it. I even rage about it. But its still the best game in town.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1283	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you still dont hide better than a dampened/kincated scout. note that only the duvolle focused scanner on a gallente logi can "see" that suit if cloaked and for only 5s. considering that I am an "assault" using the cloak to cross terrain this is damn good. I can move over the field using the fastest path without worrying about rifles nailing me at range.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5107	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:59:00 - [8] - Quote My SMG still crucifies people with 100 rounds of extreme prejudice. I miss the built in armor rep though. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:37:00 - [9] - Quote He will be missed.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 351	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:29:00 - [10] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I dont think any scout will fit that many precision enhancers just to see a cloaked scout. I run 3 complex precision enhancers on my Cal scout all the time dude.

pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 664	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:34:00 - [11] - Quote It is not.... Amazing.... IT IS clearly and without any doubt OP, and you are going to see the nerf Hammer on your head
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 749	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:34:00 - [12] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: Glad you got it bro, me and 50% of the other dust players got ours already, welcome to the party lol. I'm curious if CCP could/would actually tell us how many people specced Gallente Scout..? xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1973	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:35:00 - [13] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault Yeah, i've got the gallente scout to proto on an alt & all i can say is that suit hella loves a fight. Both the adv and the proto. Tbh, it's not something i've experienced in any Minmatar suit, which is all i've run from the very beginning. Tho i have to give credit to the minlogi for flexibility. I support SP rollover.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1266	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:38:00 - [14] - Quote Can't wait until i get nerfed, so you'll get nerfed for abusive actions. *Assassination is my thing.*
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 567	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:45:00 - [15] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: Glad you got it bro, me and 50% of the other dust players got ours already, welcome to the party lol. I'm curious if CCP could/would actually tell us how many people specced Gallente Scout..? Considering i see about 50% of people using them, and we have at least 4000 players, i would guess 2000 or so? Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: It is not.... Amazing.... IT IS clearly and without any doubt OP, and you are going to see the nerf Hammer on your head Smooth Assassin wrote: Can't wait until i get nerfed, so you'll get nerfed for abusive actions. haters gonnna hate, I will enjoy while it lasts and in the meantime I save SP for the next over the top suit Happy Violentime wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I dont think any scout will fit that many precision enhancers just to see a cloaked scout. I run 3 complex precision enhancers on my Cal scout all the time dude. do you enjoy dropping in 0.5s against people with eyes and brain?
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 352	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:05:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: also you are very easily countered by a shotgun Caldari scout. Stop living in the past - they are all running CR/ACR now - spot you from way out and hose you to death. Its really pathetic when all other races make better use of Minmatar tech than they do. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 844	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:23:00 - [18] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault This is insane. You Gallente brick-tanked cloaked slayer scouts are going to absolutely cash in during this SP bonus week. I don't know whether to be jealous or cry. I guess this is typical for CCP. From what they have done in the past year this imbalance will continue for weeks or maybe even months. Scouts needed a boost and I've said so in the forums. But this is in-frigging-sane. Most of this is the fault of the new cloaks. I see them on lots of suits. I've even seen them on heavies. Rather than burning scouts with a big nerf to the scout suit, CCP should give a nerfski to the cloak. And maybe some adjustment to the scout suits themselves. Not sure. Just consumed with dread and angst. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 884	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:31:00 - [19] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you still dont hide better than a dampened/kincated scout. note that only the duvolle focused scanner on a gallente logi can "see" that suit if cloaked and for only 5s. I dont think any scout will fit that many precision enhancers just to see a cloaked scout. considering that I am an "assault" using the cloak to cross terrain this is damn good. I can move over the field using the fastest path without worrying about rifles nailing me at range at the open field where I cannot hide. BL4CKST4R wrote: Why not a triage hive? Your repair is pretty low, also you are very easily countered by a shotgun Caldari scout. I carry the nanite injector to ressurect the logi that provides repairs the scan profile of the cloaked gallente scout is ~17.7, the caldari scout needs like 3 precision enchancers to beat that. Actually you only need 2 precision enhancers because 17.7 rounds to 18. 2 precision enhancers is 17.84 on a Caldari Scout, also rounds to 18. You will be scanned. Tie always goes to the scanner and every Cal Scout us running at least 2 precision enhancers.
thecoolest guy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 25	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I dont think any scout will fit that many precision enhancers just to see a cloaked scout. I run 3 complex precision enhancers on my Cal scout all the time dude. Same. My goto ADV cal scout runs 3 precision modes and 2 range amplifiers with an SB-39 RR. The easiest (and most satisfying) kills are cloaked scouts with red chevrons over their heads. It has low EHP which doesn't really matter if you're able to continually flank at a distance. Also, I would swap out some basic armor plates on that gk.0 setup for some complex reactives.

Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 157	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:34:00 - [21] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault ccp fix this ****.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 440	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:29:00 - [22] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault I will crap all over that fit in an advanced g/1 series with 2 comp enhancers, comp kincat, comp damp, and a comp range rs90, m512, re's, and advanced cloak Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:32:00 - [23] - Quote My Dragonfly and my G1 Scout can see you, even when you're cloaked, and I will two shot you before you pull your weapon out.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 440	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:37:00 - [24] - Quote I can feel it in my scout sensory that the OP has not fully invested SP in damps, range, or precision gimping his suit even further. p.s. I can out flank you, out strafe you, out ewar you, and all with 249 ehp. Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10441	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:43:00 - [25] - Quote Your post has been quoted and sent in this thread as an example why my proposed change is needed. The OP of the thread. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 189	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:45:00 - [26] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Hi & Low Slots: 4 Basic Armor Plates I just died a little on the inside
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1922	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [27] - Quote Nerf basic plates. They're the real problem. Way too much EHP for 10CPU and 1PG. Nerdier than thou
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [28] - Quote How much do these Proto bricks cost ISK wise anyway? I need to know if the sense of pride I get from murdering one in my 30K suit is legit.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 440	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:47:00 - [29] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nerf basic plates. They're the real problem. Way too much EHP for 10CPU and 1PG. plates need the old speed penalty Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1368	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:47:00 - [30] - Quote dogman dave wrote: Jack McReady wrote: my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit: Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain. RIP minmatar assault Dude, LOL, no, you realize most people don't recognize sarcasm as a form of humor? but yeah, a lot do run mid 400's to 600's and it works great. Cloak makes people less cautious which is good for the cloaker shotgunners, another option. Personally I like to run a 'mini- logi' with links (the link bonus is another boondoogle that needs sorting out). CCP failed to predict this, or perhaps management didn't listen, or by the time they figured it out it was too late. Bottom line, cloak should have had a dedicated 'cloak slot' and there should have been a mechanism in place to make HP tanking unattractive enough to prevent them from taking over the medium frame duties. So what form should those take? The armor plate penalty should apply to profile as well as movement. If you are wearing a bunch of plates your should make more sound and thus be more noticeable. I don't know if it will solve everything but it may help. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.



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