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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:48:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit:
Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates
Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade
Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive
yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain.
RIP minmatar assault
Hope you're prepared for the Cloak nerf and scout strafe nerf.
The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE
Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1290
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:51:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Jack McReady wrote:my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit:
Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates
Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade
Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive
yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain.
RIP minmatar assault Hope you're prepared for the Cloak nerf and scout strafe nerf.
you think I care about nerfs? I am from closed beta and have collected plenty of SP for everything on several accounts already and the SP event lets me get even more SP for the next toy. in short, yes I am very well prepared for it.
and btw, maybe you havent realized but the whole point of this post is to get attention. I want everything to skill into it thus CCP shanghai wakes up and maybe stops counting their dollars from booster sales once and manages to get something right. hope never dies. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1369
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:54:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:I can feel it in my scout sensory that the OP has not fully invested SP
in damps, range, or precision gimping his suit even further.
p.s. I can out flank you, out strafe you, out ewar you, and all with 249 ehp.
That's very true, and its also why I don't ever use the tanked out proto Gal scout I have fitted out (mine is better though, 3 enhanced plates and an enhanced repper). In general as a scout you are better off with E-war and/or speed modules and that is what I run.
However, the OPs point was to compare the Gal scout he's got now to the Minnie assault he used to use. As someone who has proto myself in both those things and the exact same weapons the OP is using he is right. The gal scout can basically do what the min assault can, but better, though slower.
It is not a very good set up for battling other scouts, but it is better than assaults can hope to manage.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
440
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:55:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:Jack McReady wrote:my to go assault before 1.8 was minmatar because I like its speed but I converted to my new toy, the gallente scout. I just got it to lvl 5 and this suit is facking amazing. here is my gk.0 fit:
Hi & Low Slots: 2 Complex Shield Extender 4 Basic Armor Plates
Weapons: Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Six Kin Sub Machine Gun Core Locus Grenade
Equipment: Ishukone Cloak Field Wyirkomi Nanite Injector or Ishukone Nanohive
yes, I can fit a 770 HP tank, proto cloak, proto weapons plus another proto equipment piece on that thing and the gist is I am about as fast as I am with the minmatar assault with around the same total hp. I just traded that weaksauce clipsize bonus for an awesome cloak, a second piece of equipment, lower hitbox, lower scanprofile & higher scan precision plus the ability to evade alot of scanners. I can now cross the battlefield faster with my cloak without being caught because I do not have to waste my time trying to abuse terrain.
RIP minmatar assault Hope you're prepared for the Cloak nerf and scout strafe nerf. you think I care about nerfs? I am from closed beta and have collected plenty of SP for everything on several accounts already and the SP event lets me get even more SP for the next toy.+¦ and btw, maybe you havent realized but the whole point of this post is to get attention. maybe CCP Shanghai stops counting their dollars from boosters once and manages to get something right. hope never dies. nerf sarcasm
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
440
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:56:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:I can feel it in my scout sensory that the OP has not fully invested SP
in damps, range, or precision gimping his suit even further.
p.s. I can out flank you, out strafe you, out ewar you, and all with 249 ehp. That's very true, and its also why I don't ever use the tanked out proto Gal scout I have fitted out (mine is better though, 3 enhanced plates and an enhanced repper). In general as a scout you are better off with E-war and/or speed modules and that is what I run. However, the OPs point was to compare the Gal scout he's got now to the Minnie assault he used to use. As someone who has proto myself in both those things and the exact same weapons the OP is using he is right. The gal scout can basically do what the min assault can, but better, though slower. It is not a very good set up for battling other scouts, but it is better than assaults can hope to manage. was late to the party and finally caught the sarcasm
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1290
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:06:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:I can feel it in my scout sensory that the OP has not fully invested SP
in damps, range, or precision gimping his suit even further.
p.s. I can out flank you, out strafe you, out ewar you, and all with 249 ehp. That's very true, and its also why I don't ever use the tanked out proto Gal scout I have fitted out (mine is better though, 3 enhanced plates and an enhanced repper). In general as a scout you are better off with E-war and/or speed modules and that is what I run. However, the OPs point was to compare the Gal scout he's got now to the Minnie assault he used to use. As someone who has proto myself in both those things and the exact same weapons the OP is using he is right. The gal scout can basically do what the min assault can, but better, though slower. It is not a very good set up for battling other scouts, but it is better than assaults can hope to manage. all of those statements are unfortunately wrong.
the only thing that catches the cloaked scout on radar is a gallente logi with focused scanner => almost no one runs that and then it is only for 5 seconds caldari scout with 3 proto precision enhancers => almost no one runs that and it is only 37.5 meter range at max skills. I can see cloaked scouts at that range with my eyes, not to mention that such low HP is a liability when MLT weapon can pump out 400+ dps.
and regarding speed: gk scout with 4 basic plates (and that is assuming the penalty is not stacking penalized): movement 5.03 Strafe Speed 4.52 Sprint Speed 7.39
minmatar assault with ZERO plates. 5.3 4.77 7.791
the difference is not even noticeable. I will check at home if the armor penalty is stacking penalized in which case it would be no speed difference at all if that is the case. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2271
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:09:00 -
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Ferroscale man, ferroscale! |
Boot Booter
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
514
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:12:00 -
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Thanks for the post. It shows perfectly why assaults are useless and how one suit can fill 2 (almost 3) roles in the battlefield. There are two things that come out of this, scouts/cloaks are nerfed to death or assaults are super buffed to OP status. If you're a closed beta player, you know the drill.
SMG Specialist
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
291
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:23:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Eldest Dragon wrote:Glad you got it bro, me and 50% of the other dust players got ours already, welcome to the party lol. I'm curious if CCP could/would actually tell us how many people specced Gallente Scout..?
Lol imagine the number for Minmatar Scout...
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1534
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:26:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:The scan profile of the cloaked gallente scout is ~17.7, the caldari scout needs like 3 precision enchancers to beat that. Aaaaactually, you're wrong.
You see, scan profile and precision numbers are rounded up to the next full number. In reality, you have a scan profile of 18 dB. And when the scan profile and precision are equal, the scanner wins and you're detected. This applies to both passive and active scans. Now, if you look at this scanning table, I'll let you in on a little secret.
The scan precision of a Caldari scout with two complex precision enhancers is 18 dB, while your scan profile is 18 dB with a cloak. Even cloaked, a Caldari scout worth his money will still see you. Better start fitting those dampeners.
And really, a cloak is still kind of obvious when you run around in the open with the bright blue shimmer.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Apr. 1st
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
610
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:56:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Nerf basic plates. They're the real problem. Way too much EHP for 10CPU and 1PG.
Common sense by page 2? There is hope for Dust yet...
Of course the next step is for CCP to actually apply it, but CCP is massively OP compared to common sense, so...
The Ghost of Bravo
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
508
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:08:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:you still dont hide better than a dampened/kincated scout. note that only the duvolle focused scanner on a gallente logi can "see" that suit if cloaked and for only 5s. I dont think any scout will fit that many precision enhancers just to see a cloaked scout. considering that I am an "assault" using the cloak to cross terrain this is damn good. I can move over the field using the fastest path without worrying about rifles nailing me at range at the open field where I cannot hide. BL4CKST4R wrote:Why not a triage hive? Your repair is pretty low, also you are very easily countered by a shotgun Caldari scout. I carry the nanite injector to ressurect the logi that provides repairs the scan profile of the cloaked gallente scout is ~17.7, the caldari scout needs like 3 precision enchancers to beat that.
The way I fit my cal scouts is basically put a shield extended on and then fill the rest with scan mods. I see cloaked scouts all the time. I got the suit specifically for this reason though so I don't know if many other players use it like this. |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1932
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:34:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Nerf basic plates. They're the real problem. Way too much EHP for 10CPU and 1PG. plates need the old speed penalty That's not enough. They need the old speed penalty, a minimum 10% reduction in HP, and a fitting nerf (3 PG at least, maybe 4). Alternately, or in addition, stacking penalties for all HP modules.
Nerdier than thou
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1386
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:10:00 -
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Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :) |
Youknowutimsayin
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
118
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:11:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :)
Yeah, please run this fit. Its easy to sneak up on |
Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:15:00 -
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OP is also slow as **** and can be passively scanned from 80~ meters away WHILE CLOAKED from a properly fit eWAR Scout. Enjoy the shotgun blasts the the back of the skull you never saw coming bro! |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2277
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:29:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:OP is also slow as **** and can be passively scanned from 80~ meters away WHILE CLOAKED from a properly fit eWAR Scout. Enjoy the shotgun blasts the the back of the skull you never saw coming bro!
Shotgun???
Rifle. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:43:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:OP is also slow as **** and can be passively scanned from 80~ meters away WHILE CLOAKED from a properly fit eWAR Scout. Enjoy the shotgun blasts the the back of the skull you never saw coming bro!
Dexter307 wrote:Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :)
Youknowutimsayin wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :) Yeah, please run this fit. Its easy to sneak up on
not sure if troll or just super stupid |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1542
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:49:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Sourdough Muffins wrote:OP is also slow as **** and can be passively scanned from 80~ meters away WHILE CLOAKED from a properly fit eWAR Scout. Enjoy the shotgun blasts the the back of the skull you never saw coming bro! Dexter307 wrote:Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :) Youknowutimsayin wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Bad fit is bad I could scan it with passives Brink tanked scouts are the worst possible way to fit a scout, you will get destroyed by any EWAR scout But hey, if you want to run that go ahead, it's just easy kills for me :) Yeah, please run this fit. Its easy to sneak up on not sure if troll or just super stupid I already explained this to you, how any Caldari scout worth his money can see through your proto cloak. Combined with the fact that your own scan precision isn't low enough to detect Caldari scouts without enhancers, you're gonna get sneaked on easily.
So no, your wannabe assault fit isn't as undetectable as you think, unless you start swapping those HP mods for dampeners.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Apr. 1st
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1300
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:52:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:I already explained this to you[/url], how any Caldari scout worth his money can see through your proto cloak. Combined with the fact that your own scan precision isn't low enough to detect Caldari scouts without enhancers, you're gonna get sneaked on easily.
So no, your wannabe assault fit isn't as undetectable as you think, unless you start swapping those HP mods for dampeners.
lol "sneaked on easily"
I can see cloak shimmer with my eyes at the range you can passively scan me. awareness > radar crutch
what follows is I point my ACR at you, you drop in under a second while you just scratched the paint of my basic plates
also you are entirely missing the point. this fit is better than an assault can get and I will no longer use my minmatar assault when I can just run this fit that is better in every way while having the same HP and speed. |
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1542
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:06:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:lol "sneaked on easily"
I can see cloak shimmer with my eyes at the range you can passively scan me. awareness > radar crutch
what follows is I point my ACR at you, you drop in under a second while you just scratched the paint of my basic plates So, you never leave open terrain where you can see cloak shimmers easier because nobody in their right mind would go to an objective *gasp* where there are buildings? Scouts have learned to hide from people without cloaks ever since scout suits were in this game, they don't just aimlessly wander in the open only staring at their radar to find you with their cloak on.
My point is, to me it seems you're assuming everyone is blind and dumb as bricks while you, ultimate master scout, can see everyone trying to sneak on you. Hint, they're not.
It's kind of ironic that you talk about crutches when you're the one using proto combat rifles in an HP tanked scout.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Apr. 1st
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1300
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:13:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Jack McReady wrote:lol "sneaked on easily"
I can see cloak shimmer with my eyes at the range you can passively scan me. awareness > radar crutch
what follows is I point my ACR at you, you drop in under a second while you just scratched the paint of my basic plates So, you never leave open terrain where you can see cloak shimmers easier because nobody in their right mind would go to an objective *gasp* where there are buildings? Scouts have learned to hide from people without cloaks ever since scout suits were in this game, they don't just aimlessly wander in the open only staring at their radar to find you with their cloak on. My point is, to me it seems you're assuming everyone is blind and dumb as bricks while you, ultimate master scout, can see everyone trying to sneak on you. Hint, they're not. It's kind of ironic that you talk about crutches when you're the one using proto combat rifles in an HP tanked scout. there is a cool secret you have yet not discovered: get friends, play in a squad filled with different roles and stuff like cloaked trolls in the shadows become a nonissue
and you are still missing the point. I am not the ultimate master scout, I am the ultimate master assault in a scout suit |
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