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Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:42:00 - [1] - Quote Anyone else sick of it? I am...right now sniper rifles are in need of minor buffs but the anti sniper part of the community keep this from happening cause of these reasons below 1. butthurt by death by sniper 2. Anger that they cant walk up and shot them 3. Anger that someone didnt counter snipe before they died 4. Their to stupid to think of counter sniping themselves until they are about to lose profit 5. They dont understand the tactical advantage of having 1 or 2 snipers 6. They dont snipe so they just assume we are all KB/M 7. Anger at realization that it was a controller sniper that killed him 8. They want to be unkillable ( o i died! Nerf whatever killed me!) 9. Their own lack of patients to sit there waiting for that perfect shot I will stop the list there for now but ill continue if i must You know some of the guys your fighting against thats lost shield with no friendly in sight to have done it..that was a sniper helping you Or when your alive but theres a random body behind you...sniper saved you or a RE on a open objective exploding for no reason....you guessed it..sniper saving you from your lack of observation We do more than you relize and you take it for granted...calm your **** about us cause as a character once said "Snipings a good job, mate, keeps your comrades alive and your enemies lying n there own blood" -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 726	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:46:00 - [2] - Quote what snipers? they cant even get headshots. theres no snipers in dust. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
McFurious TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 709	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:48:00 - [3] - Quote I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:52:00 - [4] - Quote McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. Redline sniper come out...lets see,they come out...WHEN THEY ARE REDLINED -gasp- "but Guardian they should move out of redline" How? They are redlined for a reason...kinda hard to avoid the 16 mercs patroling trying to find you leaving it -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1273	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:57:00 - [5] - Quote Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:06:00 - [6] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 5860	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:07:00 - [7] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. Redline sniper come out...lets see,they come out...WHEN THEY ARE REDLINED -gasp- "but Guardian they should move out of redline" How? They are redlined for a reason...kinda hard to avoid the 16 mercs patroling trying to find you leaving it To think that redline snipers only come out when the team is redlined is....well just ignorance. Nothing against you, but that's some shoddy reasoning there. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. Redline sniper come out...lets see,they come out...WHEN THEY ARE REDLINED -gasp- "but Guardian they should move out of redline" How? They are redlined for a reason...kinda hard to avoid the 16 mercs patroling trying to find you leaving it To think that redline snipers only come out when the team is redlined is....well just ignorance. Nothing against you, but that's some shoddy reasoning there. Non taken but there is now really only 2 decent redline sniping maps and those leave you horribly exposed while the rest have some sniping points at the edge of redline but are so well known now that they arent even considered to be used by anyone that wants to themselves alive....every other excellent point is outside of redline and is normally taken up by people that follow you, throwing uplinks then have the rest of team exposing you by jumping off it to attack... Also i keep always keep tally of how many sniper are on my team and where they are located at....redline sniping happens when we start to get pushed back and our locations would no longer be safe if we stayed there to snipe... You wouldnt take on a few guys in a mid suit, flaylock (close range this is the sniper at best) and sub machinegun would you? Why should we be forced to just because you want us to? -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5104	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:28:00 - [9] - Quote Both Snipers and the red line need a total revamp, at the same time. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:31:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Both Snipers and the red line need a total revamp, at the same time. May regret asking but Will you explain what you thinks need done? -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro

SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 136	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:33:00 - [11] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. EDIT: lv 4 sniper rifles, and I also countersnipe with a forge gun when I'm bored/want to cement that "Just quit it, you're terrible at this." moment. If you are spotting that sniper with a heavy suit then that sniper sux I Start To Wonder If I Am Masochistic After Playing This Game...........
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 265	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:33:00 - [12] - Quote McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. Noobasaures: "Rawr" STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 136	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:34:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Both Snipers and the red line need a total revamp, at the same time. Not snipers, just the redline I Start To Wonder If I Am Masochistic After Playing This Game...........
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:42:00 - [14] - Quote Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 124	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:48:00 - [15] - Quote I like the sniper aspect of the game. Only those solo Thale mcc snipers are sad but maybe it gives them good vibes. I do get nice feeling when Warbarge clears up the dust on the enemy mcc and I see ragdolls flying around. The squad I play with usually includes 1-2 snipers. Why I like it? Because I am not so good at gungame etc. and they do support me on the field and if I know that when enemy calls tanks or what direction the reberries are pushing. It helps me to improve my own gameplay and score. I even have the nerve to wait for the squad sniper support to take out enemy hives and droplinks before moving in to a fight. I have never been angry if enemy sniper shoots me to pieces. GG and nice shot. "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Snowflake in hell those are my odds in ambush
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 219	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:48:00 - [16] - Quote pffffft... I help my squadmercs by shooting enemy near them or I keep the objective clear. If I could use mic (I don't wake up wife and kids) I would shout "headups". -Thale's in redline- Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 221	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:49:00 - [17] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: I like the sniper aspect of the game. Only those solo Thale mcc snipers are sad but maybe it gives them good vibes. I do get nice feeling when Warbarge clears up the dust on the enemy mcc and I see ragdolls flying around. The squad I play with usually includes 1-2 snipers. Why I like it? Because I am not so good at gungame etc. and they do support me on the field and if I know that when enemy calls tanks or what direction the reberries are pushing. It helps me to improve my own gameplay and score. I even have the nerve to wait for the squad sniper support to take out enemy hives and droplinks before moving in to a fight. I have never been angry if enemy sniper shoots me to pieces. GG and nice shot. sametime Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 294	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:53:00 - [18] - Quote so many times have i made that change in battle becuase i sniped that one person trying to ahck teh objective. or being that ** sniper with a thales or ishukone ona gallente gk.o with alot of damge adn hurt to pick off anyone anywhere. Elite Gallenten Soldier**
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2104	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:56:00 - [19] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: what snipers? they cant even get headshots. theres no snipers in dust. Actually, they probably hit you in the head plenty of times. Headshots just don't do enough damage to kill you. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 593	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:07:00 - [20] - Quote A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". Medium frame EHP is not medium

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5116	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:11:00 - [21] - Quote Bad snipers are Shotgun bait if they're not in the redline, and counter-sniper bait if they are. Good snipers, on the other hand... I know a few. They're very useful on your team, and a major threat on the enemy team. A good Scout can track and eliminate them - most of the time. But not always.
Reallusion GrimSleeper Need Permission to Die LLC 50	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:20:00 - [22] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: 9. Their own lack of patients to sit there waiting for that perfect shot Maybe their medics forgot to fill their nano injectors cause they were too occupied watching Michael Jordan. No? Join the revolution... change the future.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1405	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:47:00 - [23] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day Oh look! Another sniper with a hugely inflated sense of self worth. Isn't that sweet. Its time to face the sad truth that in this game snipers have zero, read it again I said zero, impact on the success of a team. In fact I would say that snipers have more of a negative impact on their own team than they do on that of the enemy. I have played with many of the best snipers in the game (among which Guardian does not number) and even they will admit that in the game's current state they are not benefiting their team mates in a way that substantially contributes to the team's success. The more snipers there are on the field right now, the fewer people there are actually attacking and defending points. Get off the towers, and out hills. Drop your long rifles. Your team needs you, to do something usefull. Fun > Realism
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 667	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:14:00 - [24] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Anyone else sick of it? I am...right now sniper rifles are in need of minor nerfs but the sniper part of the community keep this from happening cause of these reasons below 1. butthurt by death by sniper 2. Anger that they cant walk up and shot them because they are hiding in the redline 3. Anger that someone didnt counter snipe before they died 4. Their to stupid to think of not hiding in the redline like the little girl they are 5. They dont understand the tactical disadvantage of having 1 or 2 snipers 6. They dont run ground game so they just assume we are all KB/M super strafers 7. Anger at realization that it was a controller infantry that killed him 8. They want to be unkillable ( o i died! Nerf whatever killed me!) by hiding in the redline with little risk I will stop the list there for now but ill continue if i must You know some of the guys your fighting against thats lost shield with no friendly in sight to have done it..that was a infantry actually playing the objective Or when your alive but theres a random body behind you...sniper never saved you or a RE on a open objective exploding for no reason....you guessed it..infantry fluxing the objective Infantry win fights. Snipers, in DUST are cowards. Running at 10.6 m/s ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool ScrubzBScrubz
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 323	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:59:00 - [25] - Quote Leave sniping for the scubs and cowards as they will never get that gg feeling sat on their lonesome providing (intell) lol even though the majority run solo ps u dont need a buff u need to learn to aim Hit me with your nerf bat.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 343	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:00:00 - [26] - Quote Stupid blue dot snipers is why we need gas grenades and friendly fire on 1st April - 14: No more likes! Need it to stop at 333. 2nd April - 14: Ok, fezz up! Who gave the likes?!
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2866	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:10:00 - [27] - Quote There's been butthurt about snipers? This is news to me - haven't seen a butthurt because of snipers thread in yonks. In fact, I barely see anything about snipers on these forums anymore. Please point me to these sniper butthurt threads so I may go and point and laugh at them. Thanks Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5647	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:16:00 - [28] - Quote medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". Pretty much. Snipers in PC? I don't even hear about it much anymore since they changed the objective layouts. Maybe one to watch one objective on the Depot map but that's it. Snipers are generally just another player taken off the field that could otherwise help push objective. Snipers can and could help but the snipers in this game, especially pub snipers, are just useless. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 533	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:26:00 - [29] - Quote A good sniper i useful, having someone on comms with a good view of the battlefield that can provide fire support is a huge benefit. Problem is 99% of "snipers" in dust just sit in the redline where they can't really help the team.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2105	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:56:00 - [30] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". Pretty much. Snipers in PC? I don't even hear about it much anymore since they changed the objective layouts. Maybe one to watch one objective on the Depot map but that's it. Snipers are generally just another player taken off the field that could otherwise help push objective. Snipers can and could help but the snipers in this game, especially pub snipers, are just useless. Very niche. Lol Z was saying he wanted to spec into Calmmando to snipe on Spine Crescent. There are basically 3/4 places in all the PC maps that a sniper has a good vantage point from. Most of them, everyone knows exactlywhere they are at as soon s they get a single kill. Sniping is just FUBAR at this point in time. They intentionally altered the maps to hinder sniping on the PC maps, changed the textures on certain structure to disable them as a perch. And. People finally learned to never hack alone. They also learned t use te Min Logi... and shield tank that speed hacker... but that didn't happen til after they altered the maps/ Especially with the introduction of the cloak. That was pretty much the nail in the coffin for objective watch. Camping with a shotty. Or better yet, 2 people camping one with a shotty one with a combat rifle, are way better thana sniper could ever be. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1279	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:21:00 - [31] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day yeah, I usually am. Then I take out my tac or forge, remove you from the field in under a minute, and go back to actually being helpful to the team. Don't act like you're the most helpful person on the team. You're not. You're that jackass, sitting in the redline, padding his KDR so he can yank it over being "so 1337" for hiding like a scared little girl while everyone else goes and actually wins the match. I kill guys and steal their tanks by killing them, walking up and hacking it after it drops(personal favorite, stealing it right next to an enemy tank while he's firing at me. hopped in and finished the tank since one of my friends just punched a hole through his armor with a forge) Bet I can summarize 90% percent of your stories: I hid in the redline for the entire game, nothing much happened because I'm too far away to be useful to the team. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 567	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:50:00 - [32] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2342	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:55:00 - [33] - Quote the last time snipers were useful to the outcome of a battle was back in pre uprising to 1.3 we could cover points, fight on the ground very effectively, remove high ground campers and operate as marksman and be a great asset to the team, 10 snipers is always useless but 1 sniper was a great asset. i'd like to see snipers back at that point one day, i doubt it will ever happen.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 398	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:56:00 - [34] - Quote All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2342	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:07:00 - [35] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. red line sniping is one of the ways to snipe, it's almost the only way left to snipe in this game. ground sniping is almost a waste of time, since it takes multiple shots( 2-3 for scout, 3-5 for medium- 3-5 for heavy, 5-8 for gal heavy ), all this does is give away your position and get you killed, back in the day if you ground sniped you would drop most targets in 1-2 shots and anyone you didn't you could finish off with your side arm, made for a great way to play. ground sniping let you move with your squad, it let you be stealthy and operate from within the confines of the whole map rather then a few select spots in the red line, was a much better way to snipe. the changes since uprising successfully killed this form of sniping, red line sniping hasn't changed much, I mean it's far less effective, but the people who red line snipe aren't sniping for wins they are sniping for isk usually, it's usually pretty easy to make isk while red line sniping, either that or they are just bored of fighting the same way every day non stop.
Mike De Luca Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:11:00 - [36] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. If he uses a proto Amarr sentinel I came across this one once, I then proceeded to keep him busy with just the sniper starter fit and a nanohive. Didn't kill him, but kept him from killing others for about 3/4 of the match until an ads got me
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1745	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:11:00 - [37] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Redline sniper come out...lets see,they come out...WHEN THEY ARE REDLINED -gasp- Red line snipers pop up if their team is red lined or not. They sit deep in the red line and take pot shots at scouts and nearly dead mediums. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 105	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:24:00 - [38] - Quote calisk galern wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. red line sniping is one of the ways to snipe, it's almost the only way left to snipe in this game. ground sniping is almost a waste of time, since it takes multiple shots( 2-3 for scout, 3-5 for medium- 3-5 for heavy, 5-8 for gal heavy ), all this does is give away your position and get you killed, back in the day if you ground sniped you would drop most targets in 1-2 shots and anyone you didn't you could finish off with your side arm, made for a great way to play. ground sniping let you move with your squad, it let you be stealthy and operate from within the confines of the whole map rather then a few select spots in the red line, was a much better way to snipe. the changes since uprising successfully killed this form of sniping, red line sniping hasn't changed much, I mean it's far less effective, but the people who red line snipe aren't sniping for wins they are sniping for isk usually, it's usually pretty easy to make isk while red line sniping, either that or they are just bored of fighting the same way every day non stop. Every style is getting boring in this game now even ill admit that Sniping-sitting there looking for a good shot on a important person Tanking- driving in circles looking for infintry or another tank to be killed by or kill ADS- this is actually different everytime cause it takes alot of focus to not touch any building every match or you lose it Heavy-got a point now lets take 2 minutes to walk to the next place im need only 100m away Infintry- run,gun,die,run,gun,die, repeat till you have a objective Medic- heal, use human shield, die, repeat Av- shot twice then give chase but die after moving 20m Scout- cloak, run, run, shoot maybe, recloak, hack, run, run, repeat Forge- charge,fire, charge, fire, charge fire, move alil, repeat You cant help but get bored by repetitive battle strategy that cant be broke cause of other forces -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:28:00 - [39] - Quote Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 105	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:29:00 - [40] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day Oh look! Another sniper with a hugely inflated sense of self worth. Isn't that sweet. Its time to face the sad truth that in this game snipers have zero, read it again I said zero, impact on the success of a team. In fact I would say that snipers have more of a negative impact on their own team than they do on that of the enemy. I have played with many of the best snipers in the game (among which Guardian does not number) and even they will admit that in the game's current state they are not benefiting their team mates in a way that substantially contributes to the team's success. The more snipers there are on the field right now, the fewer people there are actually attacking and defending points. Get off the towers, and out hills. Drop your long rifles. Your team needs you, to do something usefull. Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro

Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 106	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:30:00 - [41] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. So a sniper padding 10 or less is more useless that a MCC AFKer? -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 73	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:40:00 - [42] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) You're getting a lot of hate for sticking up for snipers - and I have to admit I've got no love for your kind. But it feels a bit unfair - I would say there has to be a useful place for good snipers. I take many of the points from your OP and I'm sure Sniper allies have helped me out on my good runs. I tried sniping when I first started the game but it felt like I was missing out on the fun and abandoned it pretty quickly. Full marks to you for standing by your playstyle. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:53:00 - [43] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. So a sniper padding 10 or less is more useless that a MCC AFKer? Quit being stupid, they are both equally useless. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 110	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:14:00 - [44] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) You're getting a lot of hate for sticking up for snipers - and I have to admit I've got no love for your kind. But it feels a bit unfair - I would say there has to be a useful place for good snipers. I take many of the points from your OP and I'm sure Sniper allies have helped me out on my good runs. I tried sniping when I first started the game but it felt like I was missing out on the fun and abandoned it pretty quickly. Full marks to you for standing by your playstyle. Thank you, sniping isnt for everyone and i wish some of the cannon fodder would get that but we know they aren't.... -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3513	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:21:00 - [45] - Quote Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:36:00 - [46] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3516	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:44:00 - [47] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general Well, I'd say that it's worst in this game. The average intelligence/maturity of the community redefines "low". This is almost a scientific intrigue. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:47:00 - [48] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general Well, I'd say that it's worst in this game. The average intelligence/maturity of the community redefines "low". This is almost a scientific intrigue. Ps: I'm barely exaggerating... Low is redefined whenever i get on the forums...there is always someone wanting to nerf cause they wanna be god -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Erasmus Konstantin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 39	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:51:00 - [49] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Low is redefined whenever i get on the forums No kidding.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5110	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:58:00 - [50] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Both Snipers and the red line need a total revamp, at the same time. May regret asking but Will you explain what you thinks need done? First off the redline shouldn't allow you to go back in after leaving. Then the Sniper Rifle should get travel time, higher damage, and should severely slow down people. Also you should have to charge for half a second before shooting, and you wouldn't be able to hold the charge. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ

Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 382	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:07:00 - [51] - Quote Snipers tickle my 1700 HP.... But in all seriousness snipers need to be reworked I think....I understand you're supposed to be super long ranged.... but sitting on MCCs....or towers or on a mountain super far back in the redline isn't helping anyone...you're just stat padding your kdr..... How about this....a range decrease....just enough to cut down on the super long shot wanna bees....but a clip increase and a damage buff....so you could still effectively be a good marksman but it would be a little easier to kill you because you can't sit 3 miles away taking pot shots at people.... Help us help you kinda thing Real heavies use lasers
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 115	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:57:00 - [52] - Quote Snipers are less than an annoyance and unless there is a group of 5 or more camping a tower I won't even consider counter-sniping.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 209	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:02:00 - [53] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Anyone else sick of it? I am...right now sniper rifles are in need of minor buffs but the anti sniper part of the community keep this from happening cause of these reasons below 1. butthurt by death by sniper 2. Anger that they cant walk up and shot them 3. Anger that someone didnt counter snipe before they died 4. Their to stupid to think of counter sniping themselves until they are about to lose profit 5. They dont understand the tactical advantage of having 1 or 2 snipers 6. They dont snipe so they just assume we are all KB/M 7. Anger at realization that it was a controller sniper that killed him 8. They want to be unkillable ( o i died! Nerf whatever killed me!) 9. Their own lack of patients to sit there waiting for that perfect shot I will stop the list there for now but ill continue if i must You know some of the guys your fighting against thats lost shield with no friendly in sight to have done it..that was a sniper helping you Or when your alive but theres a random body behind you...sniper saved you or a RE on a open objective exploding for no reason....you guessed it..sniper saving you from your lack of observation We do more than you relize and you take it for granted...calm your **** about us cause as a character once said "Snipings a good job, mate, keeps your comrades alive and your enemies lying n there own blood" I love having snipers on my team....when they are doing any of these things. And, when I think on it, I don't have a problem with snipers at all. I have a problem when people try to play the game "safely". Hiding in a faraway red zone, with a high power gun, just taking targets of opportunity instead of covering an objective or your squad. Those guys? Screw those guys. I have joyously run around my fellow sniping squadmate, guarding her back while she made people's heads pop 300 meters away. It was a lot of fun, and made the sniping really count because she could pay attention to the goals at hand instead of worrying about her safety. omigawd...it's like it's a TEAM GAME! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 846	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:08:00 - [54] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: what snipers? they cant even get headshots. theres no snipers in dust. 1. I get headshots all the time. Even on running targets. Even on running scouts. 2. I`m a sniper. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 846	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:13:00 - [55] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: Only those solo Thale mcc snipers are sad but maybe it gives them good vibes. I do get nice feeling when Warbarge clears up the dust on the enemy mcc and I see ragdolls flying around. I think they took that out a couple of versions ago. You can`t snipe from inside the MCC or into the MCC. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 209	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:13:00 - [56] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you don't know too many assaults who put up numbers like that consistently are they scrubs............... so tired of this sniping double standard scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 210	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:23:00 - [57] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Don't act like you're the most helpful person on the team. You're not. You're that jackass, sitting in the redline, padding his KDR so he can yank it over being "so 1337" for hiding like a scared little girl while everyone else goes and actually wins the match. sorry to burst your butt hurt bubble but I usually am the most helpful person on the team, rarely in the redline, but I am that jackass whose name keeps popping up in the kill feed :D so commandos are good now O_o
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2352	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:24:00 - [58] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you don't know too many assaults who put up numbers like that consistently are they scrubs............... so tired of this sniping double standard I know lots of assaults that get those scores and consistently.
Scheherazade VII 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:24:00 - [59] - Quote I will never rage if I get killed by 1 sniper 1 time as they exist in the game, as do I. What makes me rages is when there are SIX snipers on the bridge map cloning us out without being anywhere near the objective... I also hate how snipers can snipe onto almost any objective on almost any map and prevent you from hacking. They should not have such a dictation in what happens, they should not be able to sit there and destroy your entire team from their redline because they're too scared to come and fight. MAG had visible bullet tracers, I NEVER know where the sniper is and I'm not going to waste the entire game trying to hunt them down because I never find them! Why? because they're buried behind their redline invisible, un-renderable and invincible. Snipers are a huge problem, a pathetic cowardly problem. I have been in tonnes of games where the enemy team lose so they pull out tanks and snipers until there are 0 kills in the killfeed from the enemy team apart from tanks and snipers. They're a crutch, just like tanks and I refuse to take this game seriously because of it. If you're getting your ass beat, DUST has the "variety" to make you bounce back........................ (it makes it easy for scrubs)
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 210	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:25:00 - [60] - Quote calisk galern[/quote wrote: I know lots of assaults that get those scores and consistently. but a lot more who dont so commandos are good now O_o

Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 210	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:29:00 - [61] - Quote calisk galern wrote: the last time snipers were useful to the outcome of a battle was back in pre uprising to 1.3 we could cover points, fight on the ground very effectively, remove high ground campers and operate as marksman and be a great asset to the team, 10 snipers is always useless but 1 sniper was a great asset. i'd like to see snipers back at that point one day, i doubt it will ever happen. snipers are only viable now when either using cloaked scouts or kal RR on a cal commando to bail you out...... would be much better if we had some hit detection fixes so commandos are good now O_o
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 189	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:32:00 - [62] - Quote I don't have a problem with snipers, now that they nerfed the complex modules......snigger............and the proficiency skill............snort...Yep, no problem for me any longer.....muahahahhaha Seriously though, I only ever see 1 or 2 snipers per board, if there are more than that, its usually because one side or another has started redlining and they don't feel like fighting back. We as players make these problems. We aren't content to let them come to us and try to play evenly, we have to sprint into the red zone and kill them at supply depots. Expect for redline Thale's FU@K those guys, I will blow a dropship trying to kill you every time. I wish their was a better option, I would like to see the redline an area where damage is neither dealt or received but I can already think of ways to abuse that. (Just park a HAV rail on the line and back up when you take a hit).
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2352	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:37:00 - [63] - Quote medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 142	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:47:00 - [64] - Quote Aszazel wrote: I don't have a problem with snipers, now that they nerfed the complex modules......snigger............and the proficiency skill............snort...Yep, no problem for me any longer.....muahahahhaha Seriously though, I only ever see 1 or 2 snipers per board, if there are more than that, its usually because one side or another has started redlining and they don't feel like fighting back. We as players make these problems. We aren't content to let them come to us and try to play evenly, we have to sprint into the red zone and kill them at supply depots. All this. I never really hated redline-anything. The only reason they are there is because the game is extremely lopsided. A well functioning game experience has an equilibrium of punishment and reward. Only reward, and the game will grow boring. Too much punishment and you will quit, cursing the unfairness of the game. Dust is unique in that it is very punishing for the most people most of the time, but has some very few moments of extreme reward (if you get that headshot on that redline sniper, or that proto bear). So (new) people will stay and take a lot of punishment, but they need their little bit of reward sometimes, or they wont come back for more punishment. If Dusts only way for reward for the newberries is a little bit of sniping now and then, so be it. Dust must change, not them. You could just as easy say to the vets, complaining about the weak newbs: If you want a challenge, make an alt, dont skill into core skills and run militia. Will they do it? No. They will take the most rewarding course most of the time. They shouldnt change, the game should. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 928	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:10:00 - [65] - Quote Why does sitting so far back in the redline you don't render need a buff? Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 596	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:52:00 - [66] - Quote calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. Medium frame EHP is not medium
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2353	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:10:00 - [67] - Quote medomai grey wrote: calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus almost all snipers aren't good. the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively. now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing. as for bringing up the other easy mode guns( literally everything else except flaylocks ), I'm not trying to make points that the sniper rifle is balanced or justified because every other game in the gun is easier to get kills with, I'm saying that every other gun in the game is better then the sniper rifle.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 596	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:27:00 - [68] - Quote calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus thus almost all snipers aren't good. the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively. now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements proving that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing. You are doing it again. Also this: "the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively" is flawed logic as you ignore the obvious that people sucking with a weapon does not equal a weapon that is hard to use. I have never stated or insinuated that the gun was hard to use. That is something you are intentionally misinterpreting for the purpose of being annoying. You remind me of my friend. The only difference being that he is actually clever and can force me to eat my words. You... not so much. Medium frame EHP is not medium
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2353	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:28:00 - [69] - Quote medomai grey wrote: calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: calisk galern wrote: medomai grey wrote: A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle. Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering. And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo". yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus thus almost all snipers aren't good. the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively. now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements proving that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing. You are doing it again. Also this: "the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively" is flawed logic as you ignore the obvious that people sucking with a weapon does not equal a weapon that is hard to use. I have never stated or insinuated that the gun was hard to use. That is something you are intentionally misinterpreting for the purpose of being annoying. You remind me of my friend. The only difference being that he is actually clever and can force me to eat my words. You... not so much. so your argument is that the gun is fine just nearly everyone in the game is just bad at the game and you call my logic bad?


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