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Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
Red Whines.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:29:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:the last time snipers were useful to the outcome of a battle was back in pre uprising to 1.3
we could cover points, fight on the ground very effectively, remove high ground campers and operate as marksman and be a great asset to the team, 10 snipers is always useless but 1 sniper was a great asset.
i'd like to see snipers back at that point one day, i doubt it will ever happen.
snipers are only viable now when either using cloaked scouts or kal RR on a cal commando to bail you out...... would be much better if we had some hit detection fixes
so commandos are good now O_o
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
189
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:32:00 -
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I don't have a problem with snipers, now that they nerfed the complex modules......snigger............and the proficiency skill............snort...Yep, no problem for me any longer.....muahahahhaha
Seriously though, I only ever see 1 or 2 snipers per board, if there are more than that, its usually because one side or another has started redlining and they don't feel like fighting back. We as players make these problems. We aren't content to let them come to us and try to play evenly, we have to sprint into the red zone and kill them at supply depots.
Expect for redline Thale's FU@K those guys, I will blow a dropship trying to kill you every time. I wish their was a better option, I would like to see the redline an area where damage is neither dealt or received but I can already think of ways to abuse that. (Just park a HAV rail on the line and back up when you take a hit). |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2352
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:37:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.
Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering.
And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo".
yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun.
i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. |
Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
142
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:47:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:I don't have a problem with snipers, now that they nerfed the complex modules......snigger............and the proficiency skill............snort...Yep, no problem for me any longer.....muahahahhaha
Seriously though, I only ever see 1 or 2 snipers per board, if there are more than that, its usually because one side or another has started redlining and they don't feel like fighting back. We as players make these problems. We aren't content to let them come to us and try to play evenly, we have to sprint into the red zone and kill them at supply depots.
All this. I never really hated redline-anything. The only reason they are there is because the game is extremely lopsided. A well functioning game experience has an equilibrium of punishment and reward. Only reward, and the game will grow boring. Too much punishment and you will quit, cursing the unfairness of the game.
Dust is unique in that it is very punishing for the most people most of the time, but has some very few moments of extreme reward (if you get that headshot on that redline sniper, or that proto bear). So (new) people will stay and take a lot of punishment, but they need their little bit of reward sometimes, or they wont come back for more punishment. If Dusts only way for reward for the newberries is a little bit of sniping now and then, so be it. Dust must change, not them. You could just as easy say to the vets, complaining about the weak newbs: If you want a challenge, make an alt, dont skill into core skills and run militia. Will they do it? No. They will take the most rewarding course most of the time. They shouldnt change, the game should.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
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Casual solo
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
928
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:10:00 -
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Why does sitting so far back in the redline you don't render need a buff?
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you!
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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medomai grey
WarRavens
League of Infamy
596
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:52:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.
Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering.
And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo".
yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck.
You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you?
PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2353
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:10:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.
Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering.
And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo".
yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one.
not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus almost all snipers aren't good.
the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively.
now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing.
as for bringing up the other easy mode guns( literally everything else except flaylocks ), I'm not trying to make points that the sniper rifle is balanced or justified because every other game in the gun is easier to get kills with, I'm saying that every other gun in the game is better then the sniper rifle. |
medomai grey
WarRavens
League of Infamy
596
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:27:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.
Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering.
And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo".
yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus thus almost all snipers aren't good. the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively. now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements proving that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing. You are doing it again.
Also this: "the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively" is flawed logic as you ignore the obvious that people sucking with a weapon does not equal a weapon that is hard to use. I have never stated or insinuated that the gun was hard to use. That is something you are intentionally misinterpreting for the purpose of being annoying.
You remind me of my friend. The only difference being that he is actually clever and can force me to eat my words. You... not so much.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2353
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:28:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:calisk galern wrote:medomai grey wrote:A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.
Unfortunately, virtually all dedicated snipers in this game suck and have 0 impact in game. When I get shot or killed by sniper, do you know what I do? I ignore the sniper. Chances are the sniper isn't helping his team and therefore not worth the effort of countering.
And don't blame the gear. It's not the gun that's inadequate, it the merc holding the gun. Wont take the effort to line up headshots? Can't be bothered to hit your target multiple times? Won't make you shots matter in helping your team win because your too busy padding worthless KDR? Oh "boo-hoo".
yep the upper 1% of snipers in this game are capable of making it a good weapon, completely and totally balanced gun. i'm glad every other gun in the game requires so much skill that it is of equal balance, it's not like anyone can pick up a rail rifle or combat rifle and completely change the flow of a battle, you definitely need to spec into a specific class of suit and max out all of you profs with that gun to be capable of doing decent with those guns. You twist my words. The sniper rifle is incredibly easy to use. The people that use them just tend to suck. You think sniper rifles with hit scan and no bullet drop requires a lot of skill? A gun that you can literally spend the entire match using just one hand to point and click qualifies as requiring lots of skill to you? PS: Mentioning other easy mode toys is not a justification that your weapon isn't one. not twisting much "A good sniper can change the entire flow of battle.", "virtually all dedicated snipers" can't do this, thus thus almost all snipers aren't good. the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively. now you are saying it's an easy mode gun even though you just made statements proving that it's a very difficult gun to use, if not everyone would be able to use it well. your statements are starting to become confusing. You are doing it again. Also this: "the remaining few must then be able to use the gun and make it good thus it must be a very difficult gun to use effectively" is flawed logic as you ignore the obvious that people sucking with a weapon does not equal a weapon that is hard to use. I have never stated or insinuated that the gun was hard to use. That is something you are intentionally misinterpreting for the purpose of being annoying. You remind me of my friend. The only difference being that he is actually clever and can force me to eat my words. You... not so much.
so your argument is that the gun is fine just nearly everyone in the game is just bad at the game and you call my logic bad?
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