DUST Search - all the butthurt because of snipers

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

Gaurdian Satyr wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome.

You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR.

Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks

All things that help the tide of battle

Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day

Oh look! Another sniper with a hugely inflated sense of self worth. Isn't that sweet.

Its time to face the sad truth that in this game snipers have zero, read it again I said zero, impact on the success of a team. In fact I would say that snipers have more of a negative impact on their own team than they do on that of the enemy. I have played with many of the best snipers in the game (among which Guardian does not number) and even they will admit that in the game's current state they are not benefiting their team mates in a way that substantially contributes to the team's success. The more snipers there are on the field right now, the fewer people there are actually attacking and defending points.

Get off the towers, and out hills. Drop your long rifles. Your team needs you, to do something usefull.

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Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1279	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:21:00 - [31] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day yeah, I usually am. Then I take out my tac or forge, remove you from the field in under a minute, and go back to actually being helpful to the team. Don't act like you're the most helpful person on the team. You're not. You're that jackass, sitting in the redline, padding his KDR so he can yank it over being "so 1337" for hiding like a scared little girl while everyone else goes and actually wins the match. I kill guys and steal their tanks by killing them, walking up and hacking it after it drops(personal favorite, stealing it right next to an enemy tank while he's firing at me. hopped in and finished the tank since one of my friends just punched a hole through his armor with a forge) Bet I can summarize 90% percent of your stories: I hid in the redline for the entire game, nothing much happened because I'm too far away to be useful to the team. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 567	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:50:00 - [32] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2342	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:55:00 - [33] - Quote the last time snipers were useful to the outcome of a battle was back in pre uprising to 1.3 we could cover points, fight on the ground very effectively, remove high ground campers and operate as marksman and be a great asset to the team, 10 snipers is always useless but 1 sniper was a great asset. i'd like to see snipers back at that point one day, i doubt it will ever happen.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 398	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:56:00 - [34] - Quote All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2342	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:07:00 - [35] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. red line sniping is one of the ways to snipe, it's almost the only way left to snipe in this game. ground sniping is almost a waste of time, since it takes multiple shots( 2-3 for scout, 3-5 for medium- 3-5 for heavy, 5-8 for gal heavy ), all this does is give away your position and get you killed, back in the day if you ground sniped you would drop most targets in 1-2 shots and anyone you didn't you could finish off with your side arm, made for a great way to play. ground sniping let you move with your squad, it let you be stealthy and operate from within the confines of the whole map rather then a few select spots in the red line, was a much better way to snipe. the changes since uprising successfully killed this form of sniping, red line sniping hasn't changed much, I mean it's far less effective, but the people who red line snipe aren't sniping for wins they are sniping for isk usually, it's usually pretty easy to make isk while red line sniping, either that or they are just bored of fighting the same way every day non stop.
Mike De Luca Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:11:00 - [36] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. If he uses a proto Amarr sentinel I came across this one once, I then proceeded to keep him busy with just the sniper starter fit and a nanohive. Didn't kill him, but kept him from killing others for about 3/4 of the match until an ads got me
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1745	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:11:00 - [37] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Redline sniper come out...lets see,they come out...WHEN THEY ARE REDLINED -gasp- Red line snipers pop up if their team is red lined or not. They sit deep in the red line and take pot shots at scouts and nearly dead mediums. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 105	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:24:00 - [38] - Quote calisk galern wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: All snipers suck. There is one way that like to snipe in a heavy suit using a Thale while in the redline hiddding his LAV. It is almost impossible to kill him. red line sniping is one of the ways to snipe, it's almost the only way left to snipe in this game. ground sniping is almost a waste of time, since it takes multiple shots( 2-3 for scout, 3-5 for medium- 3-5 for heavy, 5-8 for gal heavy ), all this does is give away your position and get you killed, back in the day if you ground sniped you would drop most targets in 1-2 shots and anyone you didn't you could finish off with your side arm, made for a great way to play. ground sniping let you move with your squad, it let you be stealthy and operate from within the confines of the whole map rather then a few select spots in the red line, was a much better way to snipe. the changes since uprising successfully killed this form of sniping, red line sniping hasn't changed much, I mean it's far less effective, but the people who red line snipe aren't sniping for wins they are sniping for isk usually, it's usually pretty easy to make isk while red line sniping, either that or they are just bored of fighting the same way every day non stop. Every style is getting boring in this game now even ill admit that Sniping-sitting there looking for a good shot on a important person Tanking- driving in circles looking for infintry or another tank to be killed by or kill ADS- this is actually different everytime cause it takes alot of focus to not touch any building every match or you lose it Heavy-got a point now lets take 2 minutes to walk to the next place im need only 100m away Infintry- run,gun,die,run,gun,die, repeat till you have a objective Medic- heal, use human shield, die, repeat Av- shot twice then give chase but die after moving 20m Scout- cloak, run, run, shoot maybe, recloak, hack, run, run, repeat Forge- charge,fire, charge, fire, charge fire, move alil, repeat You cant help but get bored by repetitive battle strategy that cant be broke cause of other forces -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:28:00 - [39] - Quote Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 105	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:29:00 - [40] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Kinda hard to justify when a sniper has little if any effect on the outcome. You want to play super camping experience 7? Go somewhere else, this is Dust. redliners like you are pathetic shots who couldn't get the shot under pressure of any kind, or they're scared punks who jerk it over their KDR. Another flapping lip saying we are pointless...we arent..we help the battle more than you understand..ive turned battles by taking out the proto logi healing the proto heavy....ive killed tanker before there tank dropped allowing my team to have it...snipers that are harrasing my allies, scouts going for flanking, jihad lavs going for tanks All things that help the tide of battle Think about the small things you take for gradient from us before you blow us off...you might just be on the opposite end of the bullet one day Oh look! Another sniper with a hugely inflated sense of self worth. Isn't that sweet. Its time to face the sad truth that in this game snipers have zero, read it again I said zero, impact on the success of a team. In fact I would say that snipers have more of a negative impact on their own team than they do on that of the enemy. I have played with many of the best snipers in the game (among which Guardian does not number) and even they will admit that in the game's current state they are not benefiting their team mates in a way that substantially contributes to the team's success. The more snipers there are on the field right now, the fewer people there are actually attacking and defending points. Get off the towers, and out hills. Drop your long rifles. Your team needs you, to do something usefull. Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro

Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 106	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:30:00 - [41] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. So a sniper padding 10 or less is more useless that a MCC AFKer? -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 73	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:40:00 - [42] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) You're getting a lot of hate for sticking up for snipers - and I have to admit I've got no love for your kind. But it feels a bit unfair - I would say there has to be a useful place for good snipers. I take many of the points from your OP and I'm sure Sniper allies have helped me out on my good runs. I tried sniping when I first started the game but it felt like I was missing out on the fun and abandoned it pretty quickly. Full marks to you for standing by your playstyle. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:53:00 - [43] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Only problem I have with snipers is the one who sit 200-300 meters into the redline and contribute 10 or less kills. If you're putting up 30 kills or keeping overwatch on you squadmates then cool, but if your not doing those then you're just wasting a spot on the team and padding your KDR. So a sniper padding 10 or less is more useless that a MCC AFKer? Quit being stupid, they are both equally useless. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 110	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:14:00 - [44] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Top 5 of score board everytime i snipe with a excess of 1000 wp each time i do it full game (only time im not top 5 is when im on the side of stompers, those rare occasions are very boring no matter what i do) You're getting a lot of hate for sticking up for snipers - and I have to admit I've got no love for your kind. But it feels a bit unfair - I would say there has to be a useful place for good snipers. I take many of the points from your OP and I'm sure Sniper allies have helped me out on my good runs. I tried sniping when I first started the game but it felt like I was missing out on the fun and abandoned it pretty quickly. Full marks to you for standing by your playstyle. Thank you, sniping isnt for everyone and i wish some of the cannon fodder would get that but we know they aren't.... -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3513	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:21:00 - [45] - Quote Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:36:00 - [46] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3516	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:44:00 - [47] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general Well, I'd say that it's worst in this game. The average intelligence/maturity of the community redefines "low". This is almost a scientific intrigue. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 113	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:47:00 - [48] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Aaaaah, I'm glad to see that my signature is still true. It is the worst thing to happen to gaming in general Well, I'd say that it's worst in this game. The average intelligence/maturity of the community redefines "low". This is almost a scientific intrigue. Ps: I'm barely exaggerating... Low is redefined whenever i get on the forums...there is always someone wanting to nerf cause they wanna be god -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Erasmus Konstantin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 39	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:51:00 - [49] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Low is redefined whenever i get on the forums No kidding.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5110	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:58:00 - [50] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Both Snipers and the red line need a total revamp, at the same time. May regret asking but Will you explain what you thinks need done? First off the redline shouldn't allow you to go back in after leaving. Then the Sniper Rifle should get travel time, higher damage, and should severely slow down people. Also you should have to charge for half a second before shooting, and you wouldn't be able to hold the charge. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ

Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 382	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:07:00 - [51] - Quote Snipers tickle my 1700 HP.... But in all seriousness snipers need to be reworked I think....I understand you're supposed to be super long ranged.... but sitting on MCCs....or towers or on a mountain super far back in the redline isn't helping anyone...you're just stat padding your kdr..... How about this....a range decrease....just enough to cut down on the super long shot wanna bees....but a clip increase and a damage buff....so you could still effectively be a good marksman but it would be a little easier to kill you because you can't sit 3 miles away taking pot shots at people.... Help us help you kinda thing Real heavies use lasers
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 115	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:57:00 - [52] - Quote Snipers are less than an annoyance and unless there is a group of 5 or more camping a tower I won't even consider counter-sniping.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 209	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:02:00 - [53] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Anyone else sick of it? I am...right now sniper rifles are in need of minor buffs but the anti sniper part of the community keep this from happening cause of these reasons below 1. butthurt by death by sniper 2. Anger that they cant walk up and shot them 3. Anger that someone didnt counter snipe before they died 4. Their to stupid to think of counter sniping themselves until they are about to lose profit 5. They dont understand the tactical advantage of having 1 or 2 snipers 6. They dont snipe so they just assume we are all KB/M 7. Anger at realization that it was a controller sniper that killed him 8. They want to be unkillable ( o i died! Nerf whatever killed me!) 9. Their own lack of patients to sit there waiting for that perfect shot I will stop the list there for now but ill continue if i must You know some of the guys your fighting against thats lost shield with no friendly in sight to have done it..that was a sniper helping you Or when your alive but theres a random body behind you...sniper saved you or a RE on a open objective exploding for no reason....you guessed it..sniper saving you from your lack of observation We do more than you relize and you take it for granted...calm your **** about us cause as a character once said "Snipings a good job, mate, keeps your comrades alive and your enemies lying n there own blood" I love having snipers on my team....when they are doing any of these things. And, when I think on it, I don't have a problem with snipers at all. I have a problem when people try to play the game "safely". Hiding in a faraway red zone, with a high power gun, just taking targets of opportunity instead of covering an objective or your squad. Those guys? Screw those guys. I have joyously run around my fellow sniping squadmate, guarding her back while she made people's heads pop 300 meters away. It was a lot of fun, and made the sniping really count because she could pay attention to the goals at hand instead of worrying about her safety. omigawd...it's like it's a TEAM GAME! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 846	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:08:00 - [54] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: what snipers? they cant even get headshots. theres no snipers in dust. 1. I get headshots all the time. Even on running targets. Even on running scouts. 2. I`m a sniper. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 846	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:13:00 - [55] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: Only those solo Thale mcc snipers are sad but maybe it gives them good vibes. I do get nice feeling when Warbarge clears up the dust on the enemy mcc and I see ragdolls flying around. I think they took that out a couple of versions ago. You can`t snipe from inside the MCC or into the MCC. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 209	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:13:00 - [56] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you don't know too many assaults who put up numbers like that consistently are they scrubs............... so tired of this sniping double standard scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 210	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:23:00 - [57] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Don't act like you're the most helpful person on the team. You're not. You're that jackass, sitting in the redline, padding his KDR so he can yank it over being "so 1337" for hiding like a scared little girl while everyone else goes and actually wins the match. sorry to burst your butt hurt bubble but I usually am the most helpful person on the team, rarely in the redline, but I am that jackass whose name keeps popping up in the kill feed :D so commandos are good now O_o
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2352	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:24:00 - [58] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Echoist wrote: McFurious wrote: I have no problem with snipers. Unless they're redline snipers. Then they should go biomass. This right here is the ONLY reason why I hate snipers. With the redline situation right now most snipers are just cowards thinking they're good. Although I do love hunting snipers with my laser and watching them squirm thinking it's someone right behind them when I'm really 70+ meters away lol. But can you identify the good snipers from the scrub snipers? There are a few good on but here is a secret to identify the scrub...the scrub while return the same spot 4 time at least before they stop trying....it takes a good sniper only one bullet for a good sniper to find a new place and never return...scrubick a spot and squit...good ones have a escape route in mind at all times And ill say this...the redline isnt a problem.....ITS THE ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER FEAST IN 90% OF MATCHES If your not getting 20-30 kills a match as a sniper your a scrub. I cleared that up for you don't know too many assaults who put up numbers like that consistently are they scrubs............... so tired of this sniping double standard I know lots of assaults that get those scores and consistently.
Scheherazade VII 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:24:00 - [59] - Quote I will never rage if I get killed by 1 sniper 1 time as they exist in the game, as do I. What makes me rages is when there are SIX snipers on the bridge map cloning us out without being anywhere near the objective... I also hate how snipers can snipe onto almost any objective on almost any map and prevent you from hacking. They should not have such a dictation in what happens, they should not be able to sit there and destroy your entire team from their redline because they're too scared to come and fight. MAG had visible bullet tracers, I NEVER know where the sniper is and I'm not going to waste the entire game trying to hunt them down because I never find them! Why? because they're buried behind their redline invisible, un-renderable and invincible. Snipers are a huge problem, a pathetic cowardly problem. I have been in tonnes of games where the enemy team lose so they pull out tanks and snipers until there are 0 kills in the killfeed from the enemy team apart from tanks and snipers. They're a crutch, just like tanks and I refuse to take this game seriously because of it. If you're getting your ass beat, DUST has the "variety" to make you bounce back........................ (it makes it easy for scrubs)
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 210	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:25:00 - [60] - Quote calisk galern[/quote wrote: I know lots of assaults that get those scores and consistently. but a lot more who dont so commandos are good now O_o



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