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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:52:00 -
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Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:55:00 -
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There are sneaky cloaked scouts, and the deaths you are experiencing is one of them sneaking up behind you and murdering you. I may from time to time be one of those scouts. Really the only way to protect yourself from guys like me is to squad up and stay with your squad. Failing that try to travel with blue dots and periodically check your 6.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:56:00 -
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Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths.
It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM). |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:56:00 -
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They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1460
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:57:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help...
Who's alt are you ?!  |
JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:01:00 -
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Nice try |
Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:01:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:There are sneaky cloaked scouts, and the deaths you are experiencing is one of them sneaking up behind you and murdering you. I may from time to time be one of those scouts. Really the only way to protect yourself from guys like me is to squad up and stay with your squad. Failing that try to travel with blue dots and periodically check your 6.
Thank you! So it's a real thing... Wow... I was trying to get a Null Cannon in skirmish and tried like 6 times but the same thing kept happening so that makes sense. I never saw the guy tho.. It was very frustrating. So basically it's impossible to get a Cannon if one of these special scouts is waiting there. I could see other players trying and he got them too. At the end this scout had the best score of anybody but his team lost the battle by miles. It was a strange game!
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:08:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths.
It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM).
So it is a bug! Good to know. I can't say I was impressed by it but I assume it's not something that will happen in every game. It felt a bit impossible to be honest because I was doing well in the previous games then suddenly this! |
Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:13:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions.
Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:20:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
NOPE. Scan modules are only useful for fighting other non-scout(and therefore inferior) players. Scouts are naturally below your scanning(How scan strength works: Lower is better, you detect anything above your scan strength), and if they have their cloak on, they get a free complex level dampener(drops their scan profile by another 25%)
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:28:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Who's alt are you ?!
alt means ***** right? I ain't no one's ***** bro lol |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
60
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:28:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
Well, I could be wrong on this, but I think Joel and I are talking about 2 separate things.
Cloaked scouts running around are not a bug. It's a module that can be fit. Everything he said in his post is correct.
The ability to fire your weapon while cloaked is a bug (as I understand it), that's what I was referring to.
I'm not at home right now, but the scan modules are under "electronics", scan precision, profile dampening and range enhancement. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1360
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:32:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides.
We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected  Good luck out there
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:34:00 -
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I smell a butthurt alt
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:38:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:I smell a butthurt alt
You smell a butt? Get your head out your ass then bro! |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1360
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:42:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:I smell a butthurt alt
Yeah we might have been trolled, but I would rather take the chance on being trolled than not help out someone who might be new
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:43:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides. We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected Good luck out there
Thanks man I appreciate your replies and you are kinda making sense of this whole thing for me. Maybe it was you kept killing me earlier! If so didn't mean to imply you were a bug bro |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:43:00 -
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... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back?
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:47:00 -
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pretty sure it's an alt talking to himself. |
Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back?
He didn't appear at all!!
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1466
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:53:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!!
More like his main account doesn't know where he got shot from lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:55:00 -
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There's a glitch - SOME ways to trigger it have already been fixed, the rest are pending confirmation - which allows players to draw their weapons without decloaking.
This allows them to remain relatively close to invisible by standing in one spot with their gun at the ready. They can immediately fire without making themselves more clearly visible.
When you switch from the cloak to your weapon WITHOUT exploiting the glitch, you IMMEDIATELY cause a decloaking sound to play WELL BEFORE YOU CAN FIRE. There's also a decloaking animation which makes you significantly more visible, which is even more obvious than the bright blue shimmery glow you produce when you move around. You'll still be PARTIALLY cloaked for one, MAYBE two shots, but it's not enough to hide you from a competent and observant player with their TV set up correctly.
Here's a thread about how to resolve the problems with seeing cloaked players. If you set your TV up to allow for it, you should have no trouble finding cloaked enemies.
The vast majority of deaths to "invisible shotguns" is actually caused by a lack of observation skills on the part of the victim, or by their TV settings being unsuited to gaming. Set things up properly, and the only problem is that the cloaked targets won't be showing up on your scanners, and you'll need to actually look for them.
For reference, when you suspect there are cloaked enemies (which should be ALWAYS), this is what you should be looking for. Good luck. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:57:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
They're slightly visible when standing still if you focus your vision, and are fairly visible when moving. Assuming they only use cloak and not on a Gallente Scout, you should be able to see them on your radar if you run multiple Complex Precision Modules (forgot how many of them you need).
Since you're new, you'll have to rely on your own eyes to catch them moving since you probably don't have any skills in electronic warfare (Scan Range, Scan Precision, and Profile Dampning).
Best of luck, and remember, if an objective seems safe, run around with while scanning with your cross hairs to see if there are any cloaked scouts. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:02:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!!
If he literally didn't appear at all, there are three possible explanations:
1. He was behind you, and might not have even been using a cloak, because he was behind you. It shouldn't be any surprise at all to you that enemies shooting you in the back have a tendency not to be visible when you're only able to look forwards. It's possible the enemy used a cloak to get behind you unseen before shooting you in the back.
2. There's a glitch that neither CCP nor any of the active forum users know about which can allow a player to continue firing while cloaked without breaking the cloak. The only known glitch allows a player to remain fully cloaked UNTIL THEY FIRE, but after that point, the decloak animation occurs as normal and they become somewhat - though not completely - visible for about a second before appearing normally. This can allow an extra shot before the cloak effect ends completely - meaning 2 - 3 shots instead of the usual 1 - 2 you'll get from proper use of the cloak.
3. Your TV settings are bad enough that the cloaked player isn't visible even during the most visible part of the cloaking - decloak animation makes players quite easy to see but it does have their image blended in somewhat with the background. If you turn up your colour and contrast settings, this problem should be solved.
NOTE: I'm leaving option 2 as a possibility even though I consider it to be highly unlikely. |
Tau Lai
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:03:00 -
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Bug, fixed soon.
I can see you
Buy a tank
Buy an assault dropship
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:12:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:pretty sure it's an alt talking to himself.
I'm not a troll dude but I am going to find you and kill you (in the game that is) assuming you're don't have the invisible bug...  |
DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:13:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help...
Good alt post +1 troll post
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:17:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides. We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected Good luck out there Thanks man I appreciate your replies and you are kinda making sense of this whole thing for me. Maybe it was you kept killing me earlier! If so didn't mean to imply you were a bug bro
Nope it wasn't me. I've been at work all day, there are plenty of better and more deadly scouts than me out there. Happy to help
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:17:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!! If he literally didn't appear at all, there are three possible explanations: 1. He was behind you, and might not have even been using a cloak, because he was behind you. It shouldn't be any surprise at all to you that enemies shooting you in the back have a tendency not to be visible when you're only able to look forwards. It's possible the enemy used a cloak to get behind you unseen before shooting you in the back. 2. There's a glitch that neither CCP nor any of the active forum users know about which can allow a player to continue firing while cloaked without breaking the cloak. The only known glitch allows a player to remain fully cloaked UNTIL THEY FIRE, but after that point, the decloak animation occurs as normal and they become somewhat - though not completely - visible for about a second before appearing normally. This can allow an extra shot before the cloak effect ends completely - meaning 2 - 3 shots instead of the usual 1 - 2 you'll get from proper use of the cloak. 3. Your TV settings are bad enough that the cloaked player isn't visible even during the most visible part of the cloaking - decloak animation makes players quite easy to see but it does have their image blended in somewhat with the background. If you turn up your colour and contrast settings, this problem should be solved. NOTE: I'm leaving option 2 as a possibility even though I consider it to be highly unlikely.
My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible...
I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a **** you're a ****" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down!
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:22:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Good alt post +1 troll post
posting on your own alt ?! |
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Romford Pele
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:22:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Good alt post +1 troll post posting on your own alt ?!
dude you're obsessed... |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1466
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:25:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:NAV HIV wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Good alt post +1 troll post posting on your own alt ?! dude you're obsessed...
but sort of spot on ?! lol |
Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:28:00 -
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I feel like this is someone posting on an alt trying to act "innocent."
The forgotten "A" in AAA
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:31:00 -
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You all have been trolled.
http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Romford_Pele
#LivingLikeLarry
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2276
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:39:00 -
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I'll always reply just in case someone that's actually new sees the thread. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1467
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:41:00 -
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Count me out lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:53:00 -
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I'm pretty sure most of us chose to post friendly and helpful advice in response to a politely-worded question from someone who doesn't appear to know any better. Whether they're posting this thread to get some laughs, raise awareness of an issue, or because they legitimately don't know, that doesn't negate the value of giving polite and helpful answers so that when a person shows up who's legitimately as poorly-informed as the OP is behaving, they'll find the relevant information.
That isn't trolling, it's an involuntary PSA by the attempted troll. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:57:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Quote:possible explanations My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible... I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a **** you're a ****" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down!
Just bear in mind also that some players, predominantly those that played scout before the most recent release a few weeks ago, have honed their play-styles to use stealth very very effectively. This takes player skill, and does not require paying to be invisible (aka fitting cloaking equipment). I have killed many a merc without me using a cloak, and can guarantee plenty of them knew only as much as you did when dying. And there are far better scouts than me.
I encountered what you described last week - and since then I've been playing with fits to figure out a counter. I don't know whether the bug was being exploited or not, nor do I care, because the counter I have in mind requires some patience on my part. Next time this is happening to me, I will try out my counter and see what happens. Part of the fun for me :)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
917
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:09:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:There are sneaky cloaked scouts, and the deaths you are experiencing is one of them sneaking up behind you and murdering you. I may from time to time be one of those scouts. Really the only way to protect yourself from guys like me is to squad up and stay with your squad. Failing that try to travel with blue dots and periodically check your 6.
I rarely have problems with them running solo but you have to pay attention. Just don't trust yor tac net it won't tell you that scouts are coming after you...but with a bit of awareness and caution you can counter them easily... |
Romford Pele
Expert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:21:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Quote:possible explanations My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible... I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a **** you're a ****" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down! Just bear in mind also that some players, predominantly those that played scout before the most recent release a few weeks ago, have honed their play-styles to use stealth very very effectively. This takes player skill, and does not require paying to be invisible (aka fitting cloaking equipment). I have killed many a merc without me using a cloak, and can guarantee plenty of them knew only as much as you did when dying. And there are far better scouts than me. I encountered what you described last week - and since then I've been playing with fits to figure out a counter. I don't know whether the bug was being exploited or not, nor do I care, because the counter I have in mind requires some patience on my part. Next time this is happening to me, I will try out my counter and see what happens. Part of the fun for me :)
Go on... tell me the counter cos I need some help here!!
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1469
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:26:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Romford Pele wrote:Quote:possible explanations My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible... I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a **** you're a ****" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down! Just bear in mind also that some players, predominantly those that played scout before the most recent release a few weeks ago, have honed their play-styles to use stealth very very effectively. This takes player skill, and does not require paying to be invisible (aka fitting cloaking equipment). I have killed many a merc without me using a cloak, and can guarantee plenty of them knew only as much as you did when dying. And there are far better scouts than me. I encountered what you described last week - and since then I've been playing with fits to figure out a counter. I don't know whether the bug was being exploited or not, nor do I care, because the counter I have in mind requires some patience on my part. Next time this is happening to me, I will try out my counter and see what happens. Part of the fun for me :) Go on... tell me the counter cos I need some help here!!
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Romford Pele
Expert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:26:00 -
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Right... Once and for all.. I'm not a troll. I don't see how me being new to the game makes me a troll. Everything I've read online says ask for help on the forum if you need it.
After having a read of some other threads I can see this is a much discussed subject so apologies for starting a new thread about it. But it looks to me like the only people trying to discredit me are the people who use this bug to their advantage at the expense of players like me!
Hell the people who've come clean and admitted they use the cloak and the shotgun like this have at least offered me some advice on what to do about it until it's fixed in the next patch. To them I say thank you - to the troll squealers I say - nice try!
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The Generals
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:29:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Right... Once and for all.. I'm not a troll. I don't see how me being new to the game makes me a troll. Everything I've read online says ask for help on the forum if you need it. After having a read of some other threads I can see this is a much discussed subject so apologies for starting a new thread about it. But it looks to me like the only people trying to discredit me are the people who use this bug to their advantage at the expense of players like me! Hell the people who've come clean and admitted they use the cloak and the shotgun like this have at least offered me some advice on what to do about it until it's fixed in the next patch. To them I say thank you - to the troll squealers I say - nice try!
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:57:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Right... Once and for all.. I'm not a troll. I don't see how me being new to the game makes me a troll. Everything I've read online says ask for help on the forum if you need it. After having a read of some other threads I can see this is a much discussed subject so apologies for starting a new thread about it. But it looks to me like the only people trying to discredit me are the people who use this bug to their advantage at the expense of players like me! Hell the people who've come clean and admitted they use the cloak and the shotgun like this have at least offered me some advice on what to do about it until it's fixed in the next patch. To them I say thank you - to the troll squealers I say - nice try!
To be fair, at the time when I saw that link to your character sheet, you had existed as a character for a grand total of TWENTY THREE MINUTES.
That's not long enough to have played the game for a while, come to the forums, created a thread and received that many replies.
So EITHER:
1) you're someone's alt account. Alt meaning alternate, and this account was created purely for coming to the forums anonymously, or
2) You're lying about having fought even a single battle before posting on the forum.
That said, you asked for counters to players killing you without being seen?
Try looking around more. Use your eyes. You can see the cloaked players (in my first post in the thread I posted what cloaked players look like). You can also see NON-cloaked players, but if you're not looking around, you won't.
As a new player, it will ALWAYS benefit you to stay with a squad. They don't necessarily have to be YOUR squad. Find a group who are sticking together, and attach yourself to them. When you're spawning, choose a spawn location (if available) that's close to your teammates, and make your way to them. Staying near teammates means you can cover their backs, and they can cover yours.
If you look at the minimap/scanner on your HUD, you'll notice there are 2 types of icons for infantry. A circle with an arrow is the old standard icon, and it shows the arrow pointing in the direction the player is looking. The new icon which shows for players using certain dropsuits - primarily the new ones - is a "chevron" or a "V" shape, and the open end of the "V" is indicating the direction this player is facing. When you're more experienced, you can use this information to help identify when it's safe to approach an enemy. Until you've got the relevant skills (as in both in-game skills AND correctly-assigned skill points), the best use for this information is to track the movements of your TEAMMATES and keep yourself covering their backs and watching where your allies are NOT watching.
If you're with a group of 3 - 4 players, and you're all watching each other's backs, enemies who try to get behind for that "invisible" kill will have a much more difficult time of it.
Additionally, while you may say your TV is working fine, I'd suggest looking in the menu and checking the colour, brightness and contrast settings. Colour and contrast in particular should be turned up a bit from the settings you normally use while watching TV, and if you play any other games with cloaking as an option, adjusting these settings will help in those games as well. DUST's cloaked players are significantly more visible than the cloaking in many other games, even while the cloaked player is standing still and at their least visible. If you're regularly having trouble seeing them, I'm sorry, but that IS a problem with the settings on your TV. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:01:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths.
It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM).
One shot. Not two.
Hoping for a fix soon.
Bang?
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:38:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths.
It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM).
I've seen this claim a few times from different people.
It would be nice to have a source for these claims.
The decloak animation is an INTENDED mechanic. The ability to draw your weapon WHILE decloaking is an intended part of that intended mechanic.
The process is as follows.
Player opens weapon wheel.
This doesn't interrupt cloak.
Player selects weapon.
NOW cloak is broken, and the decloak animation begins. The decloak sound plays instantly.
Put away cloak animation happens, then leads to drawing weapon.
Cloak is still in decloak animation.
Once drawn, the player can fire their weapon.
At this point, if you're fast enough, it's possible to (sometimes) get a second shot off before the decloak animation completes.
THIS IS WORKING AS INTENDED. The decloak animation makes the player more visible than the normal movement shimmer, which in itself is lighting you up in bright blue. You're quite visible when moving, and EVEN MORE VISIBLE while decloaking. You're still not FULLY visible though, so you're still arguably "cloaked" while firing. But it's not a bug. It's the proper mechanics designed and implemented by CCP.
The bug is that some people have found ways to circumvent the decloaking at the first step, and to remain cloaked while their weapon is drawn. In this case, the decloak sound is drowned out by their opening shot, and it's not until they've ALREADY FIRED that the decloak animation begins. Because of the extra time saved by not swapping away from the cloak and drawing their weapon, this can allow a Shotgunner exploiting the glitch to fire 3 shots before they're fully visible, one of which will be fired BEFORE they enter the visible decloak animation.
CCP are not only working on this problem, but have already patched the most easily-repeatable method for triggering it so people can no longer exploit the bug as easily. But the ability to fire up to twice before FULLY decloaking is not - and has never been - a bug. |
Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:45:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions.
Dude its more then just dampeners....you cant detect a tank 5m from you unless your looking right at it
-holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5115
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:03:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:Dude its more then just dampeners....you cant detect a tank 5m from you unless your looking right at it
That's because passive scanning of vehicles is glitched. And totally irrelevant to how someone might be killed with a Shotgun. |
Horizen Kenpachi
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:54:00 -
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Obviously an alt lol since when do we get new players nice try must be a med frame user
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
609
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:06:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Romford Pele wrote:[quote=Iron Wolf Saber]... Why does this look familiar...?
My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!! My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible... I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a **** you're a ****" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down!
Sorry (not an alt) dude - if you have a problem with people just having cloaks in general that is just a reason (amongst many I guess) that you won't enjoy dust. Unfortunately CCP decided this one item was going to be a scouts role bonus - we're gimped if we don't equip them.
If its just the being shot by someone who is still technically cloaked, then I think like most others, that issue is going to be balanced (ironically in the the campaign before cloaks were released fire from cloak was supposed to be an intended feature, but in removing it, created a worse situation).
If its just being shot in the back, then that is something that would happen without cloaks - it's how scouts fight, it's just with the latest patch the amount of scout numbers have grown - not just because scouts were improved but because the medium frames weren't - the medium frame players had a lot of advantages they don't now and they had little experience fighting scouts in general, so really a lot of the complaints you see are just misdirected cries for help from players that don't know any better.
Hope that helps!
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Luk Manag
of Terror
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:49:00 -
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Caldari Scouts with precision enhancers are pretty good at detecting cloaked scouts. If I find a PRO Gallente scout, I just stack up the enhancers. http://imgur.com/VBgJN7d
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:01:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:Joel II X wrote:They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun.
The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules.
Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move.
Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout.
It's not a bug.
I hope I answered all your possible questions. Dude its more then just dampeners....you cant detect a tank 5m from you unless your looking right at it
I know. It's glitched. It works against infantry, though. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:16:00 -
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Romford Pele wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
I encountered what you described last week - and since then I've been playing with fits to figure out a counter. I don't know whether the bug was being exploited or not, nor do I care, because the counter I have in mind requires some patience on my part. Next time this is happening to me, I will try out my counter and see what happens. Part of the fun for me :)
Go on... tell me the counter cos I need some help here!!
The counter is what Luk below me describes and then some patience if they're also cloaked (though you could just add another enhancer and I suspect that would show up anything and everything). Patience, because they can't stay cloaked indefinitely, so just wait for a bit and see if they appear.
Luk Manag wrote:Caldari Scouts with precision enhancers are pretty good at detecting cloaked scouts. If I find a PRO Gallente scout, I just stack up the enhancers. http://imgur.com/VBgJN7d
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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