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Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

... Why does this look familiar...?

My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back?

He didn't appear at all!!

If he literally didn't appear at all, there are three possible explanations:

1. He was behind you, and might not have even been using a cloak, because he was behind you. It shouldn't be any surprise at all to you that enemies shooting you in the back have a tendency not to be visible when you're only able to look forwards. It's possible the enemy used a cloak to get behind you unseen before shooting you in the back.

2. There's a glitch that neither CCP nor any of the active forum users know about which can allow a player to continue firing while cloaked without breaking the cloak. The only known glitch allows a player to remain fully cloaked UNTIL THEY FIRE, but after that point, the decloak animation occurs as normal and they become somewhat - though not completely - visible for about a second before appearing normally. This can allow an extra shot before the cloak effect ends completely - meaning 2 - 3 shots instead of the usual 1 - 2 you'll get from proper use of the cloak.

3. Your TV settings are bad enough that the cloaked player isn't visible even during the most visible part of the cloaking - decloak animation makes players quite easy to see but it does have their image blended in somewhat with the background. If you turn up your colour and contrast settings, this problem should be solved.

NOTE: I'm leaving option 2 as a possibility even though I consider it to be highly unlikely.

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Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:52:00 - [1] - Quote Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help...
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1358	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote There are sneaky cloaked scouts, and the deaths you are experiencing is one of them sneaking up behind you and murdering you. I may from time to time be one of those scouts. Really the only way to protect yourself from guys like me is to squad up and stay with your squad. Failing that try to travel with blue dots and periodically check your 6. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:56:00 - [3] - Quote Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths. It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM).
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2267	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:56:00 - [4] - Quote They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:57:00 - [5] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Who's alt are you ?!
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 139	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:01:00 - [6] - Quote Nice try
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:01:00 - [7] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: There are sneaky cloaked scouts, and the deaths you are experiencing is one of them sneaking up behind you and murdering you. I may from time to time be one of those scouts. Really the only way to protect yourself from guys like me is to squad up and stay with your squad. Failing that try to travel with blue dots and periodically check your 6. Thank you! So it's a real thing... Wow... I was trying to get a Null Cannon in skirmish and tried like 6 times but the same thing kept happening so that makes sense. I never saw the guy tho.. It was very frustrating. So basically it's impossible to get a Cannon if one of these special scouts is waiting there. I could see other players trying and he got them too. At the end this scout had the best score of anybody but his team lost the battle by miles. It was a strange game!
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:08:00 - [8] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Cloaked shotgun scouts can get a shot or two off before they fully decloak. From your description, this is the most likely cause of your deaths. It's a bug and will be fixed SOON(TM). So it is a bug! Good to know. I can't say I was impressed by it but I assume it's not something that will happen in every game. It felt a bit impossible to be honest because I was doing well in the previous games then suddenly this!
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right?
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1264	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:20:00 - [10] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? NOPE. Scan modules are only useful for fighting other non-scout(and therefore inferior) players. Scouts are naturally below your scanning(How scan strength works: Lower is better, you detect anything above your scan strength), and if they have their cloak on, they get a free complex level dampener(drops their scan profile by another 25%) If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.

Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:28:00 - [11] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Romford Pele wrote: Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Who's alt are you ?! alt means *** right? I ain't no one's *** bro lol
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:28:00 - [12] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? Well, I could be wrong on this, but I think Joel and I are talking about 2 separate things. Cloaked scouts running around are not a bug. It's a module that can be fit. Everything he said in his post is correct. The ability to fire your weapon while cloaked is a bug (as I understand it), that's what I was referring to. I'm not at home right now, but the scan modules are under "electronics", scan precision, profile dampening and range enhancement.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1360	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:32:00 - [13] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides. We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected Good luck out there Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 320	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:34:00 - [14] - Quote I smell a butthurt alt GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:38:00 - [15] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I smell a butthurt alt You smell a butt? Get your head out your ass then bro!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1360	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:42:00 - [16] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I smell a butthurt alt Yeah we might have been trolled, but I would rather take the chance on being trolled than not help out someone who might be new Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides. We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected Good luck out there Thanks man I appreciate your replies and you are kinda making sense of this whole thing for me. Maybe it was you kept killing me earlier! If so didn't mean to imply you were a bug bro
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14240	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:43:00 - [18] - Quote ... Why does this look familiar...? My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2341	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:47:00 - [19] - Quote pretty sure it's an alt talking to himself.
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:48:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Why does this look familiar...? My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!!

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1466	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:53:00 - [21] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Why does this look familiar...? My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!! More like his main account doesn't know where he got shot from lol
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5108	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote There's a glitch - SOME ways to trigger it have already been fixed, the rest are pending confirmation - which allows players to draw their weapons without decloaking. This allows them to remain relatively close to invisible by standing in one spot with their gun at the ready. They can immediately fire without making themselves more clearly visible. When you switch from the cloak to your weapon WITHOUT exploiting the glitch, you IMMEDIATELY cause a decloaking sound to play WELL BEFORE YOU CAN FIRE. There's also a decloaking animation which makes you significantly more visible, which is even more obvious than the bright blue shimmery glow you produce when you move around. You'll still be PARTIALLY cloaked for one, MAYBE two shots, but it's not enough to hide you from a competent and observant player with their TV set up correctly. Here's a thread about how to resolve the problems with seeing cloaked players. If you set your TV up to allow for it, you should have no trouble finding cloaked enemies. The vast majority of deaths to "invisible shotguns" is actually caused by a lack of observation skills on the part of the victim, or by their TV settings being unsuited to gaming. Set things up properly, and the only problem is that the cloaked targets won't be showing up on your scanners, and you'll need to actually look for them. For reference, when you suspect there are cloaked enemies (which should be ALWAYS), this is what you should be looking for. Good luck.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2272	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:57:00 - [23] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? They're slightly visible when standing still if you focus your vision, and are fairly visible when moving. Assuming they only use cloak and not on a Gallente Scout, you should be able to see them on your radar if you run multiple Complex Precision Modules (forgot how many of them you need). Since you're new, you'll have to rely on your own eyes to catch them moving since you probably don't have any skills in electronic warfare (Scan Range, Scan Precision, and Profile Dampning). Best of luck, and remember, if an objective seems safe, run around with while scanning with your cross hairs to see if there are any cloaked scouts.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5108	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Why does this look familiar...? My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!! If he literally didn't appear at all, there are three possible explanations: 1. He was behind you, and might not have even been using a cloak, because he was behind you. It shouldn't be any surprise at all to you that enemies shooting you in the back have a tendency not to be visible when you're only able to look forwards. It's possible the enemy used a cloak to get behind you unseen before shooting you in the back. 2. There's a glitch that neither CCP nor any of the active forum users know about which can allow a player to continue firing while cloaked without breaking the cloak. The only known glitch allows a player to remain fully cloaked UNTIL THEY FIRE, but after that point, the decloak animation occurs as normal and they become somewhat - though not completely - visible for about a second before appearing normally. This can allow an extra shot before the cloak effect ends completely - meaning 2 - 3 shots instead of the usual 1 - 2 you'll get from proper use of the cloak. 3. Your TV settings are bad enough that the cloaked player isn't visible even during the most visible part of the cloaking - decloak animation makes players quite easy to see but it does have their image blended in somewhat with the background. If you turn up your colour and contrast settings, this problem should be solved. NOTE: I'm leaving option 2 as a possibility even though I consider it to be highly unlikely.
Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote Bug, fixed soon. I can see you Buy a tank Buy an assault dropship
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:12:00 - [26] - Quote calisk galern wrote: pretty sure it's an alt talking to himself. I'm not a troll dude but I am going to find you and kill you (in the game that is) assuming you're don't have the invisible bug...
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 639	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:13:00 - [27] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Good alt post +1 troll post My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1361	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote Romford Pele wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Romford Pele wrote: Joel II X wrote: They're scouts running cloaks with a shotgun. The cloaks have built in dampning, meaning, you probably won't be able to find them on your radar if you don't dedicate your suit to scan modules. Not all are invisible. They shimmer when they move. Your cross hairs turn red when you point at a cloaked scout. It's not a bug. I hope I answered all your possible questions. Thank you! So it's not a bug??? Confusing.. I can't find scan modules anywhere either. They mean I can see these guys right? here's the thing. Yes there is a bug that lets you fire once MAYBE twice before the cloak completely vanishes. However, where guys are mistaken is in believing this makes a difference. Unless the scout is being lazy, overconfident, or placed in a bad spot (like being seen or detected) we'll be coming at you from behind or the sides. We really like to hang out around objectives. My general rule is, if you are hacking something alone assume you will die. If you manage to hack the thing and live, bonus, if you don't you just got what you expected Good luck out there Thanks man I appreciate your replies and you are kinda making sense of this whole thing for me. Maybe it was you kept killing me earlier! If so didn't mean to imply you were a bug bro Nope it wasn't me. I've been at work all day, there are plenty of better and more deadly scouts than me out there. Happy to help Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Romford Pele Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:17:00 - [29] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Romford Pele wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Why does this look familiar...? My next question did the guy appear in front of you or shot you in the back? He didn't appear at all!! If he literally didn't appear at all, there are three possible explanations: 1. He was behind you, and might not have even been using a cloak, because he was behind you. It shouldn't be any surprise at all to you that enemies shooting you in the back have a tendency not to be visible when you're only able to look forwards. It's possible the enemy used a cloak to get behind you unseen before shooting you in the back. 2. There's a glitch that neither CCP nor any of the active forum users know about which can allow a player to continue firing while cloaked without breaking the cloak. The only known glitch allows a player to remain fully cloaked UNTIL THEY FIRE, but after that point, the decloak animation occurs as normal and they become somewhat - though not completely - visible for about a second before appearing normally. This can allow an extra shot before the cloak effect ends completely - meaning 2 - 3 shots instead of the usual 1 - 2 you'll get from proper use of the cloak. 3. Your TV settings are bad enough that the cloaked player isn't visible even during the most visible part of the cloaking - decloak animation makes players quite easy to see but it does have their image blended in somewhat with the background. If you turn up your colour and contrast settings, this problem should be solved. NOTE: I'm leaving option 2 as a possibility even though I consider it to be highly unlikely. My TV loves my games - haven't got a problem with that at all. Just for the record I'm enjoying this game but have been trying to figure out why I die and then the game says I've been shotgunned. I swear I see nothing at all. That's why I thought it was a bug. But the replies that have tried to explain the whole thing are making sense of it. It's not a bug - but it's a bug etc... You can pay to be invisible but by accident they've made you invincible... I can tell by the number of other responses here that say "you're a ** you're a **" that a lot of people are enjoying the bug - but I hope it gets dealt with because it's a shame the games where people like that turn up are sort of unplayable. The games without the invisible guys? Brilliant, Love em. I still die to snipers but that at least seems like the player needed skill to take you down!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1466	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:22:00 - [30] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Romford Pele wrote: Is it a bug? I can understand Snipers surprising me but shotgun deaths seem to come out of nowhere and kill me without any chance of fighting back??? It happens a lot and it's making me wonder if my version is bugged or something. Appreciate any help... Good alt post +1 troll post posting on your own alt ?!



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