Oh snap! Do swarms! Do swarms with math!
Hurry!

Pretty sure you don't so I'll give you a hint ... it has something to do with 0%.
Don't strain that mind, Tanker. Let it go if you must.

If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker....
Then why would the av specialist ever exist.
The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.

You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank.
This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks...
2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.

THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken.
Because every AVer is sitting in a tank.
Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!"
Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing.
If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games.
You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.

Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.

I'll give you a hint ...

There really isn't a point to work out the math on swarm damage, IICR, they aren't correctly applying damage.

I keep waiting for a hotfix for it... but the hotfix never comes

Let me spell it out for you.

You said he was 0% in the no brain category.

That puts him at 100% full brain.

That puts you in the 100% doesn't know how to get his idea across category.

If you are going to make silly comments and attack people, you should at least take the time to do it right and say what you mean.

Yeahhh, this

I mean I could make a post on it, but swarms don't even work correctly, so it wouldn't really be a true representation.
:(

^ why quit while you're behind when you can dig that hole a few feet deeper?

I ignore tanks. Unless I feel like laying down some kung-fu JLA/V....

Have you considered a career with Red Star?

AV can still hack an objective, and a red dot can't pick up their forge or swarm.

A proto FG is not more expenisve than a fully fitted tank - 57k is not more than 70k for example

Awfully hard to hack points if you can't make it past the HAV's alive


I think you forgot to add the price of the suit that carries the said proto FG making it (in most cases anyways) more expensive than your ~70k HAV (which is impervious to small arms fire, moves faster than any suit and has the most EHP in the game while dishing out the most dps and has what, 2-3 soft counters and 2 hard counters?)

Please forgive me my tanker overlords for uttering these blasphemous words, have mercy

So im a proto heavy in 2 suits - Caldari/Gallente

With proto FG - Love the breach, has the ability to 1 shot all unhardened vehicles

So the tank is better that me in certain ways - Its faster than me unless i use a LAV, it can cause more damage than me with a rail because its a large rail unless i use breach, its has better resistances to infantry and damage with lolhardeners

A proto FG is not more expenisve than a fully fitted tank - 57k is not more than 70k for example


AV is broken because vehicles are broken, CCP doesnt know where it want to go tbh


This is the only answer, with it brings more skills/mods/vehicles/AV weapons/variety/playstyles

Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors
Part 2: Armor & Shield
Part 3: Modules & Skills
Part 4: Vehicles
Part 5: Overview

To my knowledge, Swarm Launchers were only applying damage incorrectly to Dropships, which has been fixed for everything but the Gorgon, Grimsnes, and Incubus.

I know it was directed at me but man that was funny! Have my like, sir!

Really? huh, well maybe I will do it, but I have a question for you sir, with the forge gun vs maddy post I did it on a heavy Ck.0

should I do it on a suit with 5 high slots for the SL vs maddy post? or same suit

LOL!

All in all, mercs having a good time on the 514ums.

You are forgiven but think about the weaknesses that we have, oh, right, from infantry viewpoint we have no weaknesses. Well, umm, right, we don't, that's why we never die, that's why I have X kills and 0 deaths. I'm immortal, I'm a god!
Edit: also my tank can go anywhere I want, you are not safe!

If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker....

"then he need a friend to kill a tank with him" I thought, and stopped reading (seriously).

2 vs 1 - Poor Odds
3 vs 1 - Fair Odds
4 vs 1 - Good Odds

If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker....
Then why would the av specialist ever exist.
The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.

You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank.
This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks...
2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.

THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken.
Because every AVer is sitting in a tank.
Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!"
Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing.
If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games.
You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.

Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.

to all you people saying that you one shot tanks with a breach
and to all you people saying that if you can't solo kill a tank you can't AV

I'm just going to direct you here, and hope you stop stating you opinions as fact.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155084&find=unread

If those are your odd then you are bad AVers.

A corpie player solo most of the time and he racks up HAV kill counts by playing smart.

If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker....
Then why would the av specialist ever exist.
The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.

You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank.
This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks...
2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.

THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken.
Because every AVer is sitting in a tank.
Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!"
Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing.
If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games.
You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.

Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.

Pardon the Alt.

I run Proto Nades and Proto Swarms on a 39.57M SP toon and have been PC active/eligible since 1.0.
Pretty sure I've popped your can more than once, if that's any indication of "good".

I don't even try to pull AV anymore unless someone else is engaging armor with me.
When I do AV solo, the very vehicles I swarm charge my position. Because AV is that bad.

You and I both know the only serious threat to a Pilot's safety is one another, a serious f*ckup, a lucky JLAV, or a 3+ man effort to take you out. Its bullsh*t and its about d*mn time CCP takes off the training wheels.