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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:00:00 -
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If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker.... Then why would the av specialist ever exist. The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.
You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank. This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks... 2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.
THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken. Because every AVer is sitting in a tank. Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!" Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing. If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games. You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.
Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.
Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1996
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:04:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker.... Then why would the av specialist ever exist. The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.
You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank. This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks... 2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.
THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken. Because every AVer is sitting in a tank. Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!" Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing. If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games. You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.
Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time. AV can still hack an objective, and a red dot can't pick up their forge or swarm.
Random blue dot jumps out of a tank to hack something, gets killed, then has their tank stolen, and the team has to deal with it. If I'm on an alt and get in one, even if it's fit not the best but decently enough, I'll wreck the other team if I choose my individual battles very carefully. I did just that on an alt; hacked some guy's blaster tank, and proceeded to best someone using a railgun (because I know what I'm doing).
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
388
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:06:00 -
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If you don't know how to solo kills tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to bait tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to ambush tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to get tanks by surprise, you don't know how to AV. If you need to cry for AV buff, you don't know how to AV.
I am open to major AV buff once vehicles get the variety back. Also more direct and indirect AV weaponry to get the rock paper scissors, not rock paper nuke.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3346
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:06:00 -
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So im a proto heavy in 2 suits - Caldari/Gallente
With proto FG - Love the breach, has the ability to 1 shot all unhardened vehicles
So the tank is better that me in certain ways - Its faster than me unless i use a LAV, it can cause more damage than me with a rail because its a large rail unless i use breach, its has better resistances to infantry and damage with lolhardeners
A proto FG is not more expenisve than a fully fitted tank - 57k is not more than 70k for example
AV is broken because vehicles are broken, CCP doesnt know where it want to go tbh
This is the only answer, with it brings more skills/mods/vehicles/AV weapons/variety/playstyles
Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
124
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:09:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker.... Then why would the av specialist ever exist. The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.
You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank. This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks... 2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.
THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken. Because every AVer is sitting in a tank. Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!" Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing. If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games. You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.
Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.
AV is perfectly fine once my passive's regain themselves and my Forge shoots on time.
The myth of 3 AV's to take out 1 tank is so wrong. I am one AV specialist and I usually take out more than a dozen vehicles in one game..
Patience is key.
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
-Romulus H3X
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3008
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:11:00 -
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Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really...
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:11:00 -
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You misunderstand the concept, as it is not a binary that we ask for:
equal skilled AV vs equal skilled pilot, the pilot should be able to be scared off, but has a reasonable amount of time to run
better AVer vs pilot should be able to pin the pilot down and kill him/her
worse AVer vs. pilot should not be able to kill i or die vs the pilot.
The problem is that a good pilot can be anyone due to the accessibility of gear and simplicity of said gear that we now have, as well as the roles that the pilot can preform unless the pilot is creative and makes a although more complex, a more rewarding role to preform.
in conclusion, I'll jsut leave this here
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3349
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:12:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really...
Yup
Ive done it several times |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3008
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really... Yup Ive done it several times If it did, I would use it.
It didn't one shot tanks in 1.7 and it doesn't 1 shot in 1.8
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
389
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:19:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really... Yup Ive done it several times If it did, I would use it. It didn't one shot tanks in 1.7 and it doesn't 1 shot in 1.8 Haven't really tested the Breach myself, but try hitting the weakspot. I know IAFG takes care of tanks unbelievably fast with very low SP or isk investment, you just gotta wait for skills to load up.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3350
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:19:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really... Yup Ive done it several times If it did, I would use it. It didn't one shot tanks in 1.7 and it doesn't 1 shot in 1.8
Well your doing something wrong because it works for me |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1274
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:19:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:The myth of 3 AV's to take out 1 tank is so wrong. I am one AV specialist and I usually take out more than a dozen vehicles in one game.. This was never really about what was needed in the game people were playing at the time. The "3 AV vs. 1 tank" meme emerged from conversations about how tanks should be balanced against AV. Some tank drivers (not all, I know, I know) started using the argument that AV shouldn't be able to solo a tank, because its a tank.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
220
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:21:00 -
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Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey).
Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go?
Bang?
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2829
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:23:00 -
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No but use teamwork
I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack!
In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
389
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go? I suppose you go to the 0% no brain at all?
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
463
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:25:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:If a single av specialist can't kill a single tanker.... Then why would the av specialist ever exist. The tanker is superior in every way, having better av than the av'er while having the best anti infantry in the game as well compared to the pathetic anti infantry of the av'er.
You could say that cost would be a good reason to use an av fit over a tank. This is untrue for 2 reasons- 1. Obviously a proto av weapon, the only ones worth a single damn, are more expensive than tanks... 2. And more importantly since 1. Is likely to change, cost does not matter for us. Even if everyone had 10 mil isk we still wouldn't care about cost if we wanted to kill something. We'd just use the best option avaiable like always.
THIS. Is the reason av is completely broken. Because every AVer is sitting in a tank. Because you can't be selfish and say"well it should take 3 people to take me out! Because I spent 500k isk on this!" Because when you do that, there's no reason those 3 people won't do the exact same thing you're doing. If you can't deal with the fact that there is role SPECIFICALLY MADE to beat ONLY your role, and think it should take 3 or more of these guys WHOSE ONLY ROLE is to kill YOU, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing online games. You're probably better off playing a single player game, where entire campaigns of enemies can't kill you.
Now then, since av is broken, back to sitting in my tank. Exploiting the idiocy of the forums influence on CCP 1 unlucky merc in front of a blaster at a time.
You are an idiot.
Go back to the playground and play rock paper scissors with your friends |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
220
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:26:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go? I suppose you go to the 0% no brain at all?
Do you realize what you just said? (Now we know which bin you go in).
Bang?
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
721
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:30:00 -
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No they can't play an fps with no gungame so they hide in invincible metal boxes with their helmets on and don't want to change that which is why they cried when av was balanced in 1.6.
Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles!
Heroes in a half Gank!
TURTLE POWER!!!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:32:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go?
And this is why I think of most infantry as bluedots
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
704
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:32:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Really, a Proto breach FG can take down a tank in 1 shot?
Really...really... Yup Ive done it several times If it did, I would use it. It didn't one shot tanks in 1.7 and it doesn't 1 shot in 1.8 Well your doing something wrong because it works for me
If you are suggesting you one shot HAVS that are completely full on EHP, and are not touched by anyone other then you,
Then i suggest you use mathematics.
Or do all HAVS you come across decide to call in a tank without any modules? |
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
463
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:33:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:No they can't play an fps with no gungame so they hide in invincible metal boxes with their helmets on and don't want to change that which is why they cried when av was balanced in 1.6.
AV was balanced in chromosome, not in uprising
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
389
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:35:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go? I suppose you go to the 0% no brain at all? Do you realize what you just said? (Now we know which bin you go in). I realize perfectly, what you don't realize is that I don't care what you think about me, no one else does either, which is why you shouldn't care what I think about you, especially if you are too lazy or stupid to use your brain to think about what I could have possibly meant, oh wait, I said you don't have brain, which is exactly why I left room for thinking. And you just proved me right.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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nakaya indigene
0uter.Heaven
239
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:39:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:If you don't know how to solo kills tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to bait tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to ambush tanks, you don't know how to AV. If you don't know how to get tanks by surprise, you don't know how to AV. If you need to cry for AV buff, you don't know how to AV.
I am open to major AV buff once vehicles get the variety back. Also more direct and indirect AV weaponry to get the rock paper scissors, not rock paper nuke.
I can solo against tanks. (being a tank pilot myself) this just seems like basic knowledge.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
170
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:43:00 -
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Seems to me that the reason it's unbalanced currently is something like this:
Assuming equal skill between AV'er and pilot, 1v1...
MLT AV vs. ANY Tank = Tank wins.
Basic AV vs. ANY Tank = Tank wins.
ADV AV vs. MLT Tank w/MLT mods = toss-up, but definitely slanted in favor of the Tank
ADV AV vs. STD Tank w/PRO mods = Tank wins
PRO AV vs. STD Tank w/PRO mods = toss-up, still slanted in favor of the Tank depending on the setting
The underlying issue is that MLT tanks are 1) cheap and 2) nearly as effective as STD Tanks. People can get MLT tanks with MLT mods, no SP investment whatsoever, and wreck people who have skilled deeply into AV.
Tanks need to be tiered such that:
STD AV = STD Tank w/STD mods.
ADV AV = ADV Tank w/ADV mods.
PRO AV = PRO Tank w/PRO mods.
Swarms could use a buff. MLT gear needs to be taken out of the game completely. And CCP desperately needs to put in some sort of PvE tutorial that actually teaches new players how to play the game. It will allow players to try EVERY WEAPON, EVERY STYLE OF SUIT, AND EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THE GAME. It will emphasize the importance of core skills, be they for dropsuits or vehicles, and...
Never mind, I'm going to make a separate post for the rest of this...
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Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
341
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:45:00 -
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to all you people saying that you one shot tanks with a breach and to all you people saying that if you can't solo kill a tank you can't AV
I'm just going to direct you here, and hope you stop stating you opinions as fact.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155084&find=unread
Fixing FGs > all
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
228
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:46:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go? I suppose you go to the 0% no brain at all? Do you realize what you just said? (Now we know which bin you go in). I realize perfectly. Pretty sure you don't so I'll give you a hint ... it has something to do with 0%. Don't strain that mind, Tanker. Let it go if you must.
Bang?
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
228
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:48:00 -
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Oh snap! Do swarms! Do swarms with math! Hurry!
Bang?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6730
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:51:00 -
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6730
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:53:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Oh snap! Do swarms! Do swarms with math! Hurry! This should help get you started.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1089
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:54:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Amazing Pothead is a One Percenter (see Tanker Survey). Anyone want to take a stab at where Taki and Spkr go? I suppose you go to the 0% no brain at all?
Let me spell it out for you.
You said he was 0% in the no brain category.
That puts him at 100% full brain.
That puts you in the 100% doesn't know how to get his idea across category.
If you are going to make silly comments and attack people, you should at least take the time to do it right and say what you mean.
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