There's one major flaw with that line of thought. In something like a domination match where the objective is in an installation like the Gallente facility, if you get 6-7 guys using sentinels with HMGs and a repper logi, absolutely no one is going to get in there ever. That is broken. Who wants to have matches like that of nothing but a back and forth bout of a bunch of heavies with HMGs or after 6 minutes some guy in a scout suit manages to get in, kills one or two but instantly gets mowed down only for them to respawn in the same location again?

Hmmm who wants to play matches with maxed tanks on both sides. But we do. Tactic tactics tactics. Proto hive and Nade spam is one way to mess with a swarm of heavies. Charged Scr for cover. Adapt or die. Dust 514

Well, tanks can't reach into all areas of buildings. They don't reach and camp underground passageways. In most maps, around an objective, tanks can be avoided somewhere. Like I said, it's real simple, all you have to do is have about 7-8 HMG sentinels, have them camp around the objective in the silo in the Gallente map and have a repper logi or two with triage hives and proto rep tool. 3-4 sentinels watch each side, and with the HMG range out to 40m, all ways in are easily covered.

Grenade spam? Yeah, still kind of effective provided you don't get gunned down immediately if you have to step out to throw.

I don't care really about skirmish matches overall. In there they can't all camp one location. However for domination, it causes a lot of problems based upon the map. Also under your logic I'll say the same thing for scouts that people claim are OP. Use tactics to take out the new scouts then also and "adapt or die" to them, like you said.

HP wise, the Sentinel is just fine. They are, by design, supposed to be able to survive massive amounts of damage while dishing it out. The description for the suit even says they're the only Drop Suit that can reliably go head-to-head with a tank. No one but another Sentinel should be able to take a Sentinel head-on inside HMG range and be able to win. They don't need a nerf, they just need to be approached with different tactics in a firefight. Engage at range, outside of the HMG's effective range, or in groups, 2v1 or better if you can manage it.

burst only has 4 shots befor over heat . how to handle ? send in 4 guys -dead heavy heavys . were never ment to be solod . that why we have short range . iv used the burst since 1.3. no one yelled op then and was just as good

This is not my experience, but your mileage may vary. My wild and no-proof guess would be lucky headshots due to the sheer ROF making HMGs appear to work well past normal range. Like I said though, no proof.

I'd like some of the CCP reps or the C(P)M to comment on all that crazy heavy nerf scare tatics that happened after the patch.

heavies are fine the way they are. there are only two kinds of players who disagree, the really bad ones, and the ones who think they should be able to one shot everything.

when you consider how slow they move, the lack of any equip slots, and the lowest amount of slots (high and low) over all, heavy resists and loads of hp compensate this perfectly.

people also need to consider the progression of their skills and the heavy they are facing, are all the appropriate skills to 5? is proto involved? is said heavy or his opponent part of an organized sqd or team?

there seems to be a serious issue with the community's perception of what one merc should be capable of on his own, unfortunately ccp cant patch that....

heavies are fine the way they are. there are only two kinds of players who disagree, the really bad ones, and the ones who think they should be able to one shot everything.

There was a big crazy push to nerf the living @#$@ out of heavies at the start of this build. Now that the community has play tested it for a few weeks some of the heavies could use a micro buff.

There was one build everyone wanted to do flat out nerf to but in playing ambush we found just moving the battle away form these heavies they can't even get in range to kill anyone. The run time is slow and boring and the straight up nerf to LAVs makes using these heavies even less important.

Plus CCP STILL NEEDS TO RELEASE THE KILL/DEATH STATS ON THE FORGE GUN TO SEE WHY IT BEEN NERFED SO HARD IN RELATION TO OTHER GUNS! THEY ARE JUST PROMOTING ONE GROUP OF PLAYERS AND DISREGARDING ANOTHER COMPLETELY IN A FORM OF FAVORTISM. (Uggg.. how many freaking times will I have to rewrite this!!!)

How about this, the only people that think heavies are fine the way they are are scrubs with crap aim and tactics who need HP, resistances, and the ultimate spray and pray gun to make up for their lack of skills.

Isn't it amazing how anyone can insult someone for disagreeing with their opinion?

HMGs are a problem, as I said they would be, nerfing all the light rifles while leaving the HMG untouched created imbalance. Reduce damage on HMG at about the same level the CR was. Sentinels get too much CPU/PG no other suit in the game can fit all proto weapons, modules, and grenades save for the Sentinel reduce the CPU/PG to make them have to make choices like every other suit class does.

The only reason more people aren't noticing and thus QQing about the Sentinels (mostly Gallente and Amarr) is because of us cloaked scouts that everyone is complaining about (and in many cases rightfully so). The only thing keeping the Sentinel population in check is the cloaked scout.

I really do not think anybody is debating that the Heavy + HMG should not be the King of CQC, or even insinuating that it is broken.

I think people are more or less frustrated with the HMG. It really does need a range nerf in my opinion.

I assume your intended insult directed at me (which is lacking since you don't know me) comes from your conclusion that I must be a heavy.... I'm not... never have been... I have an alt heavy that isn't near skilled to 5 in anything whom I haven't played for the better part of the year....

I play a minmitar logi and mostly only use my DREN suit with a DREN assault rifle or shotty and remotes...with my remotes I can 1 shot a heavy (obviously) with my other weapons its tough and almost impossible in a frontal assault.... the way it should be...

I did not intend to insult anyone, but if you took it that way then you must be one of the people who QQ about heavies, so I have 2 things to say to you.

1. stop being so sensitive (htfu)

2. see 1

i think its the sp investment . 1 . ccp needs to take out basic suits and dump that sp used for it on main suits sp on tier 4 going to 5 ......2 . sp class should be assault 2.5 mill sp , logie 3mill sp , scouts 4 mill sp , heavys 5mill sp , how does it take same time for for all suits . assault and logies should be far more common then the more specialised suits made for there role . i do forsee more respecs down the road if they ever want to get this game moven forward .

No one but another Sentinel should be able to take a Sentinel head-on inside HMG range and be able to win.

Heavies as a suit are fine...

Minmatar Heavy needs either a substantial HP buff or another speed buff for the low ehp to be worth it.
(EDIT: or an extra H/L slot...or both...)

And all heavies need to be locked to heavy weapons in the H slot and sidearm weapons in the S slot...with the obvious exception of commandos. I'm so tired of people taking MLT heavy suits and/or STD+ heavy/sentinel suits, throwing a RR/CR/MD on it and proceeding to wreck everything on the battlefield in a cheap suit while providing absolutely ZERO utility to their team.

Fix it, CCP!

I have to disagree with you, while that is a powerful tactic and can indeed block most of it, 2 heavies with forge guns and a logi will punch right through that wall 1 shoting the heavies in front of them and can do it from far enough back. Say at around 40-50m. Another way to destroy the tactic is to use the laser rifle, I know you'd probably laugh at this, but when that sucker gets frying a heavies head they move out of the way damn fast and break rank.

Another tactic I have seen while it being suicidal is to get a scout, load him up with RE's and a cloak, when the heavies are reloading or distracted rush in throw all the RE's down as fast as possible, then even on the death screen just set off all the RE's, that line of Heavies is now dead and probably the logi that was repairing them too.

If even that fails, lure the heavies and enemy team out, by not going in and suiciding, or do a collection of WP using logis till you get an orbital and just blast the point, most the heavies and the logi will probably die, then rush in and clean up what is left.

The problem you are currently trying to portray is where the Sentinel is at the most optimal of what it is supposed to do, with a gun that is made to be heavy supression/able to kill a lot of idiots. A line defender, defending an objective, it would be like complaining that someone with a sniper rifle nailed you at 200 yards away and your RR could not hit them back as hard or fast. The best way to fight a Sentinel or a Sniper is make it where they are out of the comfort zone, where they have to take additional risk in order for getting a payout.(not bringing up the redline issue in this, that is a whole other issue)

I bolded the belief that is essentially ruining this game. Sorry, but no one who specs into any suit is ENTITLED to win a fight. The HMG, like every other weapon, should require SKILL to win a fight. A scout, assault, or even logi,should be able to have a fighting chance dancing around a Heavy.

But ONE burst at 40 or less meters kills anything in this game instantly - - and I mean instantly. Both my scout and logi go down in seconds. While 1.8 was supposed to be a TTK buff, any conflict with a Heavy means death in less than a second. How is this not OP (i.e., over-powered)?

Sorry, but just because the shotgun/cloak combo is OP, and the gallente scout cloaked brick-tank is OP,,does not mean that the Heavy's are balanced by them. All three need to be fixed. (And the cloak is not the problem. Perhaps make the cloak subtract a percentage of armor, which goes down per level, so 50% at basic, 30% at adv, and 10% at proto?)

For the Heavies, though, the fix is simple: lower the Heavy's turn speed and remove the snaring effect of bullets landed (for this effect basically buffs the hmgs, crs, and smgs). This would fix both the HMG and fix the Heavy-with-light-weapon situation. Lore wise, it would make sense, because they're bricked out, so should move slowly in all respects. Simple fix. Ought to be a hotfix.

I bolded the belief that is essentially ruining this game. Sorry, but no one who specs into any suit is ENTITLED to win a fight. The HMG, like every other weapon, should require SKILL to win a fight. A scout, assault, or even logi,should be able to have a fighting chance dancing around a Heavy.

No one but another Sentinel should be able to take a Sentinel head-on inside HMG range and be able to win.

But ONE burst at 40 or less meters kills anything in this game instantly - - and I mean instantly. Both my scout and logi go down in seconds. While 1.8 was supposed to be a TTK buff, any conflict with a Heavy means death in less than a second. How is this not OP (i.e., over-powered)?

For the Heavies, though, the fix is simple: lower the Heavy's turn speed and remove the snaring effect of bullets landed (for this effect basically buffs the hmgs, crs, and smgs). This would fix both the HMG and fix the Heavy-with-light-weapon situation. Lore wise, it would make sense, because they're bricked out, so should move slowly in all respects. Simple fix. Ought to be a hotfix.