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Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 130	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:12:00 - [1] - Quote Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
jerrmy12 kahoalii 962	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:14:00 - [2] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Shotguns make the nk irrelevant Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2470	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote my sig If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Proud member of RND
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 130	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:21:00 - [4] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Shotguns make the nk irrelevant yea which is a shame because its much more rewarding decapitating someone than doing it the lazy way and shooting ppl in the back. maybe the knives will be viable if the cloak only allowed you to carry a sidearm. i miss those days when knifing duels could happen only to be hilariously shot by another dude lol. Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 898	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:24:00 - [5] - Quote All I know is that after shelving my scout for the commando event, I am going to go scout hunting and get some revenge. 1.8 because nothing says fun like getting shotgunned in the back. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.04.12 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote No. Shotgun + cloak = useless on most open ambush maps. Every assault or heavy player who has half a brain should run in a group of 2-3, which negates the stealth advantage. It's not OP, and stop spamming threads like these when there are already other rant threads out there.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 868	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:13:00 - [7] - Quote Shotgun is not the best weapon to use with the cloak, it's just the most popular. You want to one shot people? Use the plasma cannon. Hell you'll 1 shot more people with NKs, it's just very hard to do. You want to be as effective but still pick people off from range? Use the combat rifle. Not sure why the shotgun has become the end all of the weapons.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 593	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:24:00 - [8] - Quote I m not a samurai... I m a minja, :) you re not alone anyway
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1053	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: my sig If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Tell that to Annie, Jane, Fusion, and the shotgun-wielding cloak-adorned members of RND. Just sayin'
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 112	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:32:00 - [10] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Folks are watching their backs and moving in packs religiously. Heavies now take too long to shank and are more reliably dispatched via RE, Shotgun or Focused Fire. Not the best set of circumstances for a knifer. Knives are still fun, but they were more effective prior to 1.8. An unexpected outcome, but true nonetheless. Bang?

Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 334	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:34:00 - [11] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: my sig I only read the last parts of each line because TLDR You're a scrub Get good Proud member of RND Best link spammer, because slaying is too mainstream and that's what everyone else told me. Best "PC" k/d 2/6 , 2/14, 2/
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2777	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:43:00 - [12] - Quote As a lone wolf I feel you, as of recently it feels like the cloak go 10x as hard to see Idk maybe it's a glitch but I've had 5 to many shotgun blast to the face to even think correctly anymore. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Cogadh Draco WarRavens League of Infamy 17	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:48:00 - [13] - Quote As far as I see it, cloak/shotgun is an easy and popular combo. It's not abused at all, it's an easy means to an end. Now the brick armored Gallante scout/cloak/shotgun is annoying as hell, especially since that scout can still move really fast to make me miss most of my bloody shots...
Patrick57 6934	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:49:00 - [14] - Quote No, not at all..... Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 546	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:52:00 - [15] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? It is just poor game design. CCP should have never gone ahead and decided to give scouts a free 1,000 damage head start in all engagements. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
General John Ripper 19777	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:53:00 - [16] - Quote "oh look I am invisible, I got skill now" lol I just laugh at the crutch. A bad player is still a bad player and most people are bad players However a good player... Would make for an interesting challenge. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 CCP petition I'll fix the game. Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 182	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:55:00 - [17] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? It's harder to make nova knives work. I wish i was better, I have tried them and just suck--maybe when I "get gud" and am not "srcub" (yes, that was on purpose), I will spend the time and become a better ninja. Until then, my stars shoot out of a cannon. (Side note: Got chased by a crazy mofo knifer the other day--drew my pistol and we danced. I won, but it was a close thing. Speed Gal Scout forever!) Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Lucrezia LeGrand 458	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:57:00 - [18] - Quote There is something honorable and poetic about being the last samurai though. So even if the whole world moves on, never change. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 113	Posted - 2014.04.12 03:59:00 - [19] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: There is something honorable and poetic about being the last samurai though. So even if the whole world moves on, never change. Maken Tosch is the god-dmn Last Samurai. Bang?*
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 405	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:01:00 - [20] - Quote The ONLY thing OP about the shotgun/cloak combo is they are still cloaked when they fire the first shoot. And since shotguns can one shot a lot of frames this is very OP. Adding a small delay between decloaking and shooting will drastically help reduce this problem. A shotgunner should be able to one shot many frames, but they should be completely visible to do it. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 237	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:02:00 - [21] - Quote What if the scout gets 2 sidearm slots instead of the light slot? Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 13	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:03:00 - [22] - Quote keno trader wrote: No. Shotgun + cloak = useless on most open ambush maps. Every assault or heavy player who has half a brain should run in a group of 2-3, which negates the stealth advantage. It's not OP, and stop spamming threads like these when there are already other rant threads out there. Oo forum police if ya dont want to look at the fthread stay the hell out of it everyones entitled to there own opinions whether you like what they say or not so stop spamming our spam CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5034	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:09:00 - [23] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: my sig Which is funny N1ck, since your corp has a LOT of SG + cloak scouts. AND Brick tanked scouts too... Not saying yourself but... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 132	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:25:00 - [24] - Quote Well i can still one shot heavys thankfully, except for the very brick tanked ones. someone mentioned plasma cannon, which could be funny if i flank and taking direct shots behind their backs lol. by the way, its not because shotguns are op, i just rarely see knifers (if you could not read properly, ur eyes needs a buff to see scouts). still, thanks for the inputs so far guys Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1425	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:41:00 - [25] - Quote I run dual ScP's on my Amarr scout ak.0. One Carthum and one TT-3. It is quite fun and be quite deadly in the right hands. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 246	Posted - 2014.04.12 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Shotguns make the nk irrelevant You don't know what your talking about.. Heavies can only be knifed!
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 532	Posted - 2014.04.12 07:04:00 - [27] - Quote SCOUTS with cloack + shotguns aren't a problem. COMMANDOS with 2 light weapons AND cloack are a problem.
Eldest Dragon Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 465	Posted - 2014.04.12 07:10:00 - [28] - Quote nah, there not abused, just overused So you think cloak/sg scouts are op huh, tbh idk if it's op or not, but i'll tell ya one thing I sure do like it lol.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 256	Posted - 2014.04.12 07:14:00 - [29] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? Your not the last and that would be ninja/arts&crafts Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 256	Posted - 2014.04.12 07:16:00 - [30] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: SCOUTS with cloack + shotguns aren't a problem. COMMANDOS with 2 light weapons AND cloack are a problem. Really try to not make your suit bad by pointing fingers at the commando...? Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5090	Posted - 2014.04.12 08:25:00 - [31] - Quote Scouts can pair Nova Knives with a Rifle or Sniper Rifle for longer-ranged encounters while retaining that CQC one-shot capability. Shotgunners don't have that option without running a Commando suit, where the cloak will be a much heavier burden on the suit's fitting capacity. Nova Knives have some advantages over Shotguns because they hit that LITTLE bit harder, and because their hits will register full damage every time where the Shotgun frequently gets several pellets missing for reduced damage (hit detection issues notwithstanding... obviously). Shotgun/Magsec/cloak combo is pretty nasty, but so is NK/any Rifle/cloak combo. Also, so is Sniper/SMG/cloak (when your Sniper Rifle is behaving itself). Back to the original question though... Is the Shotgun/cloak combo being heavily abused? Kind of. Is it being heavily USED? Definitely. The only "abuse" of it is against unaware players though - it's their own lack of awareness being abused more than the build, which can be effectively countered by competence or coordinating with teammates. People who try and twist the above to look like it's the same argument as tanks needing teamwork to kill are fail trolls though. A squad of 6 cloaked Shotgun Scouts trying to sneak up on a coordinated squad of 6 alert and competent players will get slaughtered by teamwork. It's not 1 vs. 6, it's 6 vs. 6 - teamwork and competence beats cloaks. Competence alone is usually enough to counter a lone cloaker if you're aware of the risks. If you're busy attacking someone else, then the cloaker comes in behind and Shotguns you, IT WASN'T THE CLOAK THAT LET HIM DO IT. It was the fact that it was 2 vs. 1, and you were outnumbered and outplayed. Without a cloak, the Scout probably would have still got behind you and shot you in the back of the head.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 471	Posted - 2014.04.12 08:32:00 - [32] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: What if the scout gets 2 sidearm slots instead of the light slot? I can favour this. But then it needs to be a respec to weapons. If they don't permit me to use a light weapon I want to put dose sp into sidearms. War never changes
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 106	Posted - 2014.04.12 08:36:00 - [33] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: What if the scout gets 2 sidearm slots instead of the light slot? I wouldn't play my main character anymore. Seriously, bad idea IMO. There is nothing wrong with Scouts. You all only think there are because Scouts have been gimped for a year. They are now on par with the rest of the suits.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 474	Posted - 2014.04.12 08:45:00 - [34] - Quote Why do so many who like the cloak make the argument that it a lack of awareness on the victims part that allows them to be killed and the scout would have killed them without the cloak, but then scream and holler at any proposed changes to the cloak. It's not a huge issue to me but if you are using a cloak, it is the cloak doing most of the work of being stealthy and you could never pull off your kills without it. Don't delude yourself. Clearly there were scouts before the cloak that could do this, but if you couldn't do it before you couldn't do it now and most couldn't. Because, that's why.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5091	Posted - 2014.04.12 08:49:00 - [35] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Why do so many who like the cloak make the argument that it a lack of awareness on the victims part that allows them to be killed and the scout would have killed them without the cloak, but then scream and holler at any proposed changes to the cloak. It's not a huge issue to me but if you are using a cloak, it is the cloak doing most of the work of being stealthy and you could never pull off your kills without it. Don't delude yourself. Clearly there were scouts before the cloak that could do this, but if you couldn't do it before you couldn't do it now and most couldn't. I like the cloak. I think it's well-balanced as-is. I can see cloaked players just fine. I'm not saying I won't accept changes to certain elements of how the cloak works, but I don't think it needs a nerf so much as it needs a few broken things about it fixed. The decloak sound isn't treated as a high priority sound and often fails to play because it's overridden by gunfire and other sounds. It also needs the volume turned up a little for players other than the cloaker. There are (still) a couple of glitches allowing cloaked players to stay cloaked with their weapons drawn, and only BEGIN to decloak AFTER taking their first shot, instead of having to be partially decloaked by the time their weapon is drawn. If the cloak does get a nerf, I hope it's an extremely small nerf. A slight - VERY slight, maybe 0.5s - increase in the time it takes to unequip the cloak and start to pull out your weapon, and maybe a reduction from 25% dampening bonus to only 10 or 15%. I'm not saying that will guaranteed make it perfectly balanced, but I don't think it's OP enough to even need a complete removal of the dampening bonus, and would rather see CCP try it with a smaller nerf in the first instance before moving on to harsher penalties to something which was already released in a pre-nerfed state. But most important when backing this opinion up, I DON'T USE THE CLOAK.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 396	Posted - 2014.04.12 09:15:00 - [36] - Quote Only problems I have now are, one, the ability to attack while cloaked and two, the extreme inconsistency of the shimmer visibility on some maps/moods. It seems a combination of the cloak's design and lag, but decloaking needs to be instantaneous when a weapon is pulled out, and sometimes people are still virtually invisible regardless of movement speed.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2014.04.12 09:17:00 - [37] - Quote Shotgun cloaking scouts and tanks. Welcome to 1.8 everyone. G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5091	Posted - 2014.04.12 09:31:00 - [38] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Only problems I have now are, one, the ability to attack while cloaked and two, the extreme inconsistency of the shimmer visibility on some maps/moods. It seems a combination of the cloak's design and lag, but decloaking needs to be instantaneous when a weapon is pulled out, and sometimes people are still virtually invisible regardless of movement speed. 1. Shooting while cloaked: This is a GLITCH. Not intended game mechanics. It shouldn't have bearing on a discussion about BALANCE, but yes, it is something that needs to be addressed. Firing while DECLOAKING, on the other hand, is completely different. 2. This is primarily a problem with people's TV colour settings, or with people's vision/lack of awareness. Cloaks fluctuate - for me - between being bright blue glowing when the cloaker moves on some maps and being a faint, but still clearly visible, blue shimmer while standing still on a more cloak-favouring map. When switching to a weapon, there is an INSTANTANEOUS decloak sound, and an instantaneous BEGINNING to the decloak animation, during which the cloaker is significantly more visible than even the running cloak shimmer makes them. That SHOULD be enough, imo. If you are having trouble seeing cloakers, try looking through your TV's settings and adjusting contrast and brightness and other settings.
Zetsumi Ravencroft Ultramarine Corp 35	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:09:00 - [39] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: SCOUTS with cloack + shotguns aren't a problem. COMMANDOS with 2 light weapons AND cloack are a problem. Nope, they are amusing as hell, and free WPs. M.A.G - Former RAVEN
yoda boss MARIJUANASUPPORTERS 4	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:12:00 - [40] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? no actually you are complaining. it is what it is. if you use precision enhancements they light up like a firefly. stop crying. . Free bpo for new recruits. https://dust514.com/recruit/fCH9zc/ Do Work. Paying 10 mil isk to 1st to 100k wp.

DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 618	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:14:00 - [41] - Quote I use knives all the time , but not on scouts! Too dangerous, so is this a nk thread or a secret OP sg cloaky thread disguised as a nk thread? Use a bk cr an knives, knives aren't out much cuz most people suck with them, point and shootis easier for them My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 133	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:48:00 - [42] - Quote yoda boss wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Im not complaining about it but ever since 1.8 was released, i hv never been avle to encounter a nova knifer scout, just shotgunners. am i like the last samurai of new eden? no actually you are complaining. it is what it is. if you use precision enhancements they light up like a firefly. stop crying. Now i am sure your are not making yourself looking like an idiot in frobt of everyone in this thread so i am going to assume that you are just troll baiting. anyways i dont care if the whole shotgun cloak is op or bot since i hv little issue dealing with them. i was merely curious of why the nova knifer playerbase is dwindling. i assumed it was because people take advantage of the shotgun with the cloak. based on what you told me guys, its easier for new players to use a shotgun and knifing has a higher learning curve i assune? any scouts use to go from knifing to shotgunning? im just wondering how the scout playerbase behaves. Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 133	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:51:00 - [43] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I use knives all the time , but not on scouts! Too dangerous, so is this a nk thread or a secret OP sg cloaky thread disguised as a nk thread? Use a bk cr an knives, knives aren't out much cuz most people suck with them, point and shootis easier for them practically a NK thread :P. that does make alot of sense on what you said Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2476	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:42:00 - [44] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: my sig If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Tell that to Annie, Jane, Fusion, TTW and the shotgun-wielding cloak-adorned members of RND. Bad generalization is bad. It's one thing to use it cause you need the crutch, but the players you listed could do good with any weapon. If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Proud member of RND


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