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Shadowswipe
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:51:00 -
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Quote:I m Tired of all these "cloak is OP", the real problem with scout is..
I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community."
or... "people that think they know it all."
This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave.
And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
557
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:51:00 -
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Isa Lucifer wrote:I agree that this situation where scouts hp and profile are over the top is problematic. In my opinion making the scout suffer les agility and less speed and more noticeble to scanners while using armor plates would disencourage brick tanking scouts. Exactly, the problem is not that they are fast and invisible to scanner the problem is that they are fats, invisible to scanner and have tons of hp. The thing that make this possible is that armor plates are OP |
Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
229
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:51:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Have a scout, Logi with proper tools or fittings and then problem solved. It's not cloak's fault that players don't know how to play, defend or approach an objective... "How to play" I guess there is suppose to be an exact way to play with everyone being open to their own tactics, while cloaking scouts can run freely in close-range space with shotguns near objective? I guess if we spend time forgetting about objective and killing cloaking scouts, they will probably say to themselves "Hey, I think we should stop cloaking"
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Revelations 514
Red Star. EoN.
164
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:51:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Unlikely scenarios? Do you Consider team work an Unlikely scenario??? I suddenly know why you Consider cloak so OP Yes teamwork. You honestly can't expect cloaking can be easy to predict with or without teamwork. Why? Because most players will be too focused on defending or ACTUAL strategy that a cloaked scout are unpredictable that it's difficult to have just one or a few guys stand around looking for scouts. Even with detector mods you will still have difficulties actually finding the guy. Cloaking from my point-of-view is used as a "Troll" rather than an actual tactic; but most cloaked users are too self centered thinking it's a weak equipment and there are different ways to counter it. For example. This thread.
Who are you calling self-centered? Seeing soo much QQ from you about cloaks in every post actually motivated me to view all of your posts. I challenge anyone to do the same. You repeatedly stroke your own ego, talk down to others, make ridiculous claims like how your LAV is always getting hit by 3 heavies at once whenever you call it in, or how your so godlike in your LAV driving lol. Dude go on somewhere! Your obvious exaggerations and narcissistic attitude betray the real issue, your mad your crutch got taken away. Your elevated opinion of your own "godlike skills", (your words not mine), means you simply cannot comprehend that anyone could beat you in a fair fight.
Go ahead and call me a liar, the proof is in your posts. All one must do to verify it is to click on your name and check it out themselves. The pattern practically leaps off the screen.
Go play the game, or better yet don't. Your constant vitriol towards anyone that has a differing opinion is tiring. Taken from your own words, "90% of the time I am killed while hacking by someone cloaked", I cleaned it up a bit but that's the statement. Basically this shows everything I said to be true: 1) lack of facts, what does a cloak have to do with getting shot in the back while hacking? 2) Others find you equally annoying, hence why you have no team members to watch your back while you hack.
Why is a "godlike LAV driver", trying to hack objectives? Do you even check the objective first? <-Rhetorical Questions btw |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2214
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:53:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:It sounds like you are afraid to get hit by the nerf bat
I'm pretty sure Pagliu does not need any crutch to win any 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
557
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:58:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Quote:I m Tired of all these "cloak is OP", the real problem with scout is.. I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community." or... "people that think they know it all." This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave. And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements. Can you plz quote the part where I said that I m" so great at designing a balanced game"? It make it look like I dont Like the Job that ccp is doing but the problem is.... I actually love what they are doing!
It is not that I dont Like the environment it is just that I dont Like QQs.
Can you plz stay on Topic instead of just try to insult me? Thank you very much
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1432
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:59:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Have a scout, Logi with proper tools or fittings and then problem solved. It's not cloak's fault that players don't know how to play, defend or approach an objective... "How to play" I guess there is suppose to be an exact way to play with everyone being open to their own tactics, while cloaking scouts can run freely in close-range space with shotguns near objective? I guess if we spend time forgetting about objective and killing cloaking scouts, they will probably say to themselves "Hey, I think we should stop cloaking"
Well focus on killing them then... Dont come here and try to show how concerned you are about that null canon... If you could kill a scout or had the skills to, you wouldn't be here crying...
Let me make is easy for you:
- If you think there are scouts hiding in the Null Cannon
a. Throw a nade b. Throw some MD rounds (Now i'll see you in MD is OP threads) c. Be patient cause They can't stay cloaked forever... and every cloaked scout itches for a kill....
- Use proper teamwork. We have Gal/cal/Min logis with proper Drop suit setup to pick up 85% of the Scouts...
- Use a counter Scout (Cal Scout and Min for the High Slots)
- Use something Other than Shield extenders and Armor plates
- Teamwork overall
"How to kill a Scout For Dummies" Now at the Marketplace.... |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
840
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:59:00 -
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Actually, just perusing the forums, much of the cloak qq has died down simply because now they're not "new" anymore and people know what to look for/how to play against them. People grew so used to having everything permascanned that it really was a change to have to, you know, use your eyeballs to find targets.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
558
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:02:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Actually, just perusing the forums, much of the cloak qq has died down simply because now they're not "new" anymore and people know what to look for/how to play against them. People grew so used to having everything permascanned that it really was a change to have to, you know, use your eyeballs to find targets. Are you mad?? This is an fps you can't think people will use their eyes!!! |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1432
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:02:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Quote:I m Tired of all these "cloak is OP", the real problem with scout is.. I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community." or... "people that think they know it all." This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave. And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements. Can you plz quote the part where I said that I m" so great at designing a balanced game"? It make it look like I dont Like the Job that ccp is doing but the problem is.... I actually love what they are doing! It is not that I dont Like the environment it is just that I dont Like QQs. Can you plz stay on Topic instead of just try to insult me? Thank you very much
Like i said before... Now that you need to set your squad up properly to be effective... People are crying cause Teamwork is OP and no more SOLO BS.... Soloist get stomped and should get stomped... |
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1432
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:17:00 -
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Revelations 514 wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Unlikely scenarios? Do you Consider team work an Unlikely scenario??? I suddenly know why you Consider cloak so OP Yes teamwork. You honestly can't expect cloaking can be easy to predict with or without teamwork. Why? Because most players will be too focused on defending or ACTUAL strategy that a cloaked scout are unpredictable that it's difficult to have just one or a few guys stand around looking for scouts. Even with detector mods you will still have difficulties actually finding the guy. Cloaking from my point-of-view is used as a "Troll" rather than an actual tactic; but most cloaked users are too self centered thinking it's a weak equipment and there are different ways to counter it. For example. This thread. Who are you calling self-centered? Seeing soo much QQ from you about cloaks in every post actually motivated me to view all of your posts. I challenge anyone to do the same. You repeatedly stroke your own ego, talk down to others, make ridiculous claims like how your LAV is always getting hit by 3 heavies at once whenever you call it in, or how your so godlike in your LAV driving lol. Dude go on somewhere! Your obvious exaggerations and narcissistic attitude betray the real issue, your mad your crutch got taken away. Your elevated opinion of your own "godlike skills", (your words not mine), means you simply cannot comprehend that anyone could beat you in a fair fight. Go ahead and call me a liar, the proof is in your posts. All one must do to verify it is to click on your name and check it out themselves. The pattern practically leaps off the screen. Go play the game, or better yet don't. Your constant vitriol towards anyone that has a differing opinion is tiring. Taken from your own words, "90% of the time I am killed while hacking by someone cloaked", I cleaned it up a bit but that's the statement. Basically this shows everything I said to be true: 1) lack of facts, what does a cloak have to do with getting shot in the back while hacking? 2) Others find you equally annoying, hence why you have no team members to watch your back while you hack. Why is a "godlike LAV driver", trying to hack objectives? Do you even check the objective first? <-Rhetorical Questions btw
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2217
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:20:00 -
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Just pointing out an important thing: AA still detects you even if you're cloaked, just saying...
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
559
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:22:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Just pointing out an important thing: AA still detects you even if you're cloaked, just saying... +1, also when you are cloaked you are almost deafened, it is an important thing that people seem to forgot while speaking about cloak. It makes you really unaware of what happens near you |
Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
230
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:30:00 -
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Revelations 514 wrote:-Long Quote past Ps3 text limit- Not "QQ" about anything. I point out different counters about the Op's "strategy" to counter cloaking, but most people automatically think I'm getting killed by cloakers everyday. Most of my post get taken the wrong way by people who I am arguing with (Even posts where I'm making a joke.) Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. I rarely have any actual encounters with cloaking scouts. The whole "90% I die" was when I jump in to assist hack or hacking something to give my team an advantage while driving.
I would also like to add I use cloaking in few occasions as a tactical way to get closer to objective rather than use it for kills....
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al nize mk2
DUST University Ivy League
72
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:30:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Actually, just perusing the forums, much of the cloak qq has died down simply because now they're not "new" anymore and people know what to look for/how to play against them. People grew so used to having everything permascanned that it really was a change to have to, you know, use your eyeballs to find targets.
Totally agree with that - I was raging for the first couple of weeks after scout mayhem. But once I started looking around and spotting the little buggers I found it fun hunting them down or taking them on in a stand up fight when they close up shotty w*nked all over me.
The only issue for me is that they can carry so much armour and make themselves invisi-assaults. otherwise the cloak is not OP it's just a great bit of kit for scouts!
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al nize mk2
DUST University Ivy League
72
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:34:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote: Like i said before... Now that you need to set your squad up properly to be effective... People are crying cause Teamwork is OP and no more SOLO BS.... Soloist get stomped and should get stomped...
Here I disagree with you. Teamwork is king - there's no doubt. But there has to be a place for the solo player and that ties in with the NPE issue and keeping hold of casual players. In fairness - scouts are the solo player experience.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
566
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:38:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2218
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:40:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying.
Oh! That's why!!!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1049
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:40:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:
What do you think?
I think cloaks are OP, and armor plates have little to nothing do with it.
Signed, An invisible Cal Scout who can see everything to 70m |
Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
232
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:42:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
568
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:45:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right. I still have to see a single argument from you. Where do you experience comes from? Cant you see scouts while you are on your taxi? |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
568
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:48:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:pagl1u M wrote:
What do you think?
I think cloaks are OP, and armor plates have little to nothing do with it. Signed, An invisible Cal Scout who can see everything to 70m Why do you Consider cloak OP? What makes it OP? (I m not trolling I really want some arguments from the other side)
A cal scout with such a good radar has obviously low ehp, isnt fast... Yes he has a good scanner but he will die in a second. Also... What has the radar of a cal scout has to do with cloaks? |
Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
232
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:48:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right. I still have to see a single argument from you. Where do you experience comes from? Cant you see scouts while you are on your taxi? Sniping. I see cloaked scouts easily rushing towards people and killing a group by themselves while team is distracted. I can vaguely see the blue spots but have difficulties shooting them with a 12" television
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2219
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:53:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right. I still have to see a single argument from you. Where do you experience comes from? Cant you see scouts while you are on your taxi? Sniping. I see cloaked scouts easily rushing towards people and killing a group by themselves while team is distracted. I can vaguely see the blue spots but have difficulties shooting them with a 12" television
This is an argument, but it's hardware related. It's like complaining about your 1999 computer unable to run Eve at all.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2219
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:57:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:pagl1u M wrote:
What do you think?
I think cloaks are OP, and armor plates have little to nothing do with it. Signed, An invisible Cal Scout who can see everything to 70m
That's interesting: cloak is OP because you can easily see a cloaked scout? You're the perfect counter-scout, a living glass-scanner; I'm not going to give you some tips, but it's actually your scan radius/precision that would make your entire squad OP, in this case cloak is just a waste of PG/CPU.
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Adell Shinzumakami
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:58:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:This is an argument, but it's hardware related. It's like complaining about your 1999 computer unable to run Eve at all. I only mentioned my television so they won't question why I don't shoot cloaks if I see them
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
572
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:02:00 -
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Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Adell Shinzumakami wrote:Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping. Only people that play in the Middle of the battlefield can know if cloak is OP... Just saying. I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right. I still have to see a single argument from you. Where do you experience comes from? Cant you see scouts while you are on your taxi? Sniping. I see cloaked scouts easily rushing towards people and killing a group by themselves while team is distracted. I can vaguely see the blue spots but have difficulties shooting them with a 12" television While I dont Consider it an argument (I ve seen players destroy with plasma cannons... IT doesn't make it OP)... That scout is doing exactly is Job, that is why it works well... You usally play from Miles away so I dont know if you are aware of this but... And heavy doing is Job (defending an objective in cqc even better with a logi repping him) can destroy an entire Squad... Working as intended. |
Shadowswipe
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
220
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:03:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Quote:I m Tired of all these "cloak is OP", the real problem with scout is.. I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community." or... "people that think they know it all." This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave. And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements. Can you plz quote the part where I said that I m" so great at designing a balanced game"? It make it look like I dont Like the Job that ccp is doing but the problem is.... I actually love what they are doing! It is not that I dont Like the environment it is just that I dont Like QQs. Can you plz stay on Topic instead of just try to insult me? Thank you very much I wasn't quoting you. It was more of an interjection of thought cause I didn't read it past the title and the first couple words. I was already disappointed by word two cause the post wan't something that I hoped it was going to be. That is all. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
572
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:04:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Quote:I m Tired of all these "cloak is OP", the real problem with scout is.. I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community." or... "people that think they know it all." This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave. And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements. Can you plz quote the part where I said that I m" so great at designing a balanced game"? It make it look like I dont Like the Job that ccp is doing but the problem is.... I actually love what they are doing! It is not that I dont Like the environment it is just that I dont Like QQs. Can you plz stay on Topic instead of just try to insult me? Thank you very much I wasn't quoting you. It was more of an interjection of thought cause I didn't read it past the title and the first couple words. I was already disappointed by word two cause the post wan't something that I hoped it was going to be. That is all. So basically you "insult" me and make joke of me after only reading the title of my post... That s really mature. |
Shadowswipe
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
220
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:07:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:So basically you "insult" me and make joke of me after only reading the title of my post... That s really mature. Basically I am sorry you are hurt by my post. It wasn't directed to you, it was a general statement of sentiment of these forums. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. |
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