i dont even bother tanking my scout gk.o i mianly use dual enhanced profile damps and 2 enhanced kincats with creodron shotgun/ionpistol. with complex light/sidearm mods. lots of firepower and basically inviasble with 9.55m/s sprint. this is a far better fit in my opinon than putting on plates as i cant clsoe the gap quick enough with the shotgun while useing plates.

Cloak is not OP: From a guy who uses cloaking

It isn't quite accurate to say it is the plates that are OP. Medium frames use armor plates heavily too, and nobody is calling them OP right now. The problem is the ability for a scout to have more tank than some medium frames and commandos. Nerfing plates would just nerf mediums at the same time, leaving us with the same problem.

Maybe scouts should just receive a flat fitting penalty to plates of 20% (or some other number). ie: not affected by skill level. Then they have a choice: max tank, or cloak. The idea that is that you could do a heavily tanked passive scan squad support scout, or be a paper tiger.

I've made valid arguments about cloaking being OP in the past. I would hate to repeat myself, but from a cloaking point-of-view you will defend it because of the astronomical advantages you people have.

I'm not "trolling" just pointing out that we can't believe a guy who says something isn't op if he uses it himself.

So putting the blame on something never even considered OP and placing unlikely scenarios as a way to defend cloaking is a way to make people instantly think cloaking is not OP

I agree that this situation where scouts hp and profile are over the top is problematic. In my opinion making the scout suffer les agility and less speed and more noticeble to scanners while using armor plates would disencourage brick tanking scouts.

I was hoping to open the thread and see.. "the negative community."

or... "people that think they know it all."

This game is like real life. If you don't like the environment you are in, leave. Example: Hostile job environment, just leave.

And then secondly, if you are so great at designing a balanced game, please list your references of triple A games that you were the lead designer on. Otherwise, don't sound so matter of fact in your statements.

Actually, just perusing the forums, much of the cloak qq has died down simply because now they're not "new" anymore and people know what to look for/how to play against them. People grew so used to having everything permascanned that it really was a change to have to, you know, use your eyeballs to find targets.

Just pointing out an important thing: AA still detects you even if you're cloaked, just saying...

Most of my time playing is either driving an LAV or snipping.

I go by examples and experience. If I was actually in the battlefield you would just be using the "QQ" as an excuse to make yourself seem like you're right.

I think cloaks are OP, and armor plates have little to nothing do with it.

Signed, An invisible Cal Scout who can see everything to 70m

Sniping. I see cloaked scouts easily rushing towards people and killing a group by themselves while team is distracted. I can vaguely see the blue spots but have difficulties shooting them with a 12" television

I wasn't quoting you. It was more of an interjection of thought cause I didn't read it past the title and the first couple words. I was already disappointed by word two cause the post wan't something that I hoped it was going to be. That is all.

cloaks are op 4 these reasons esp on scouts

1 able to shoot from cloak

2 able to recloak if is was not exhausted before uncloaking have seen it meany times where scout keeps disappearing and then shooting some 1 only to recloak in under 30 sec ( cool down before able to recloak not working)

both of these seem to be a glich( unintended effect) and are the biggest problem there should be a short delay of a sec or 2 before a player can shoot from being cloaked

3 combined near invisibility with added profile damping
scouts all ready were near invisible on scans and with passive suit scans

4 the cpu is very high to use on any thing but a skilled scout
over 100 cpu at lowest level try fitting it on any suit at a base or adv level with out having max skills that add cpu and pg then what can u put on the suit with it ? all most nothing

5 yes u can see a cloaked guy moving ( sprinting) but if he is walking or just standing in 1 spot they are close to invisible or a shadow or the sun is low in the sky it gives too much to 1 guy

combine all these things with a shot gun that at the lowest level will kill a proto heavy in 3 to 4 shots yes it makes a scout shot gun cloak very op

what a lot of players seem to forget is that not every one in the game has 20 mill sp invested in there guy or has 2 to 3 mill (extra) sp to just skill in to the next new thing
with out new players in the game that stay with the game how long will dust last?
unless ccp is relining on eve to support dust ?

There are multiple problems.

Cloak is op because you can shot 1/2 hit before actually decloacking (Glitch)

People can ISTANT recloack, and the cloak don't turn off when you get hit.

Another source of the problem are the CAL/GAL scout and the fact that they seem balanced on 1,7 stat.

The Caldari can passive scan( 360-24/24) at 27DB in 37M with skill only. They don't need to sacrifice nothing for this result. This with the lowest shield regen except for the Cal.sent ( in one case is the best), with a 50HP per sec recharge (no need for charger o energ.)

Ummm, no you don't. Hop onto protofits turn on max skills, and you can completely proto out a gal scout gk.0. I already posted on this in another thread but I'll restate it here. A fully skilled gal gk.0 wearer can fit: 989 ehp, a proto RR (specialist), a proto Magsec SMG, a cloak, and flux nades.

The problem here isn't necessarily the tanking but the fact that the scout does not really need to make any sacrifices here. With the fit that I described the scout can cloak, out DPS almost any suit at pretty long ranges (though they could easily fit a proto-SG and NK as well), have an extremely damaging mid-short range side arm, run faster than any med frame, be invisble to almost all scans (passive cal scouts would need to fit complex precision enhancers to see it and gal logis would need a proto scanner), its flux lets it easily take out eq and do serious damage to infantry. Heck, the flux even makes it a worry for shield tanks as 1500 damage is enough to scare most shield tankers. I can find absolutely no sacrifices of a meaningful sort in this fit.