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Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 596	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:45:00 - [1] - Quote Nerf their rotation speed by 25%.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1666	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:47:00 - [2] - Quote That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 416	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:47:00 - [3] - Quote I've gotten to the point where I'll be willing to take any nerf of them. However I'd rather prefer the rotation speed rather than the HP. Being a scout, that is much more damaging to me than his HP reserves. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 102	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:49:00 - [4] - Quote What about the scouts ability to have more HP than a commando. shouldnt that the higher on the nerf bat priority Making Friends And Enemies Everyday
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:53:00 - [5] - Quote or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1398	Posted - 2014.04.11 01:56:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Nerf their rotation speed by 25%. I agree, although I'm not certain what the appropriate percent the rotation speed change should be. Would a 25% nerf put them back to where they were before the buff? Keep them with high HPs and powerful weapons, their maneuverability should be their Achilles heel. The scout changes are a separate subject. Best PvE idea ever!
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2739	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote I dont mind heavies. I actually like it if i can spot one and then sneak up to them just to start using my nova knifes. Nothing is better then stabbing a heavy in the back. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:04:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:05:00 - [9] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Nerf their rotation speed by 25%. I agree, although I'm not certain what the appropriate percent the rotation speed change should be. Would a 25% nerf put them back to where they were before the buff? Keep them with high HPs and powerful weapons, their maneuverability should be their Achilles heel. The scout changes are a separate subject. 17.5% Heavies need a weakness in CQC which should be their back.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:06:00 - [10] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. CQC specialists you say? I definitely dont hear that from the RR heavies. i

Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:08:00 - [11] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:09:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. CQC specialists you say? I definitely dont hear that from the RR heavies. i doesn't change the fact that their MAIN weapon is a CQC weapon. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:12:00 - [13] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. CQC specialists you say? I definitely dont hear that from the RR heavies. i doesn't change the fact that their MAIN weapon is a CQC weapon. cough Forge gun cough Cough
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:13:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC? You mean his general speed isn't a weakness? His huge hitbox isn't a weakness? Not having an equipment slot isn't a weakness? If you can't beat a heavy in CQC, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, you're not suppose to? I don't know, maybe a tank should die to pistol fire too because AV isn't enough Nade spam, MD spam, and RE's kill heavies quick enough as far as I know. Maybe jump out your comfort zone or get better with your scout shotgun set up. Last I played shotguns were poop, and they were still killing heavies. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1285	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:14:00 - [15] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:14:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. CQC specialists you say? I definitely dont hear that from the RR heavies. i doesn't change the fact that their MAIN weapon is a CQC weapon. cough Forge gun cough Cough coughwhatdoesFGhavetodowithHMGbeingtheheavy'sonlyAIsepcificweaponcough ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"*
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:15:00 - [17] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC? You mean his general speed isn't a weakness? His huge hitbox isn't a weakness? Not having an equipment slot isn't a weakness? If you can't beat a heavy in CQC, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, you're not suppose to? I don't know, maybe a tank should die to pistol fire too because AV isn't enough Nade spam, MD spam, and RE's kill heavies quick enough as far as I know. Maybe jump out your comfort zone or get better with your scout shotgun set up. Last I played shotguns were poop, and they were still killing heavies. No, not having equipment slot ins't a weakness, they already come with a buttload of bullets. They come with a buttload of resistances and HP and then you put it together with the fact that they have the lost TTK weapon in the game makes them OP. Who needs speed when you got a weapon that literally shreds everything in its path. Anyway, why shouldn't physics apply?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. lol that statement right there shows how much you want to solo heavies ...NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SOLO IT!!! ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:17:00 - [19] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. CQC specialists you say? I definitely dont hear that from the RR heavies. i doesn't change the fact that their MAIN weapon is a CQC weapon. cough Forge gun cough Cough coughwhatdoesFGhavetodowithHMGbeingtheheavy'sonlyAIsepcificweaponcough Cough* WhyIsTheHeaviesMainWeaponCQC cough itsnot cough
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:18:00 - [20] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. lol that statement right there shows how much you want to solo heavies ...NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SOLO IT!!! It's so sad that this wee bit of a nerf makes you so mad. Okay, maybe not 25% but they need rotation speed nerfed.

Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2194	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:21:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Explosives still work pretty good... More to the topic, I think that scout = heavy = medium frame is good goal to have. But that depends on engagement range for the equal sign. If Scout = heavy = medium in CQC, that's FUBAR. Because then the HMG is totally obsolete. Heavies dominate the research facility because of map design, not weapon/suit balance. There is one point that only has two entrances to cover, with a vital supply depot right next to it that has two entrances that are even more defensible. And a good heavy can lock that ** down. No amount of nerfing turn speed will fix that because the kill corridors are narrow. Creating backdoors sneak in through and RE/shotgun the fat bastards would fix it. (The other point on the second floor of the facility is much easier to kill heavies on for that very reason.) I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord** CCP Logibro]
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4838	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:23:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: It's so sad that this wee bit of a nerf makes you so mad. Okay, maybe not 25% but they need rotation speed nerfed. I don't even play this **** game, so I'm mad? lol When I did use to play Galente assaults were orbiting heavies, and when heavies made enough threads about it, it got buffed. You speak about not having equipment isn't a weakness? Let's take away the scout equipment slots. It's not a weakness right? So it should be fine. When you have a tanked out assault frame running circles around a heavy, it's not balanced. You want to know the correct way to balance it? Buff the scout speed... THAT'S IT. But naaaaaah, you people so want to nerf everything that kills you. Sad state of a game, and no wonder this game is getting worse because clowns like you are the ones giving feedback. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1285	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:25:00 - [23] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. lol that statement right there shows how much you want to solo heavies ...NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SOLO IT!!! I can solo heavies all day if I want to. I slap the HK shotgun on my gal scout and heavy slaughter away. Point is this game shouldn't come down to only Sentinels and scouts and your opinion that a sentinel shouldn't be able to be solo'd is just that...an opinion. Its right up there with a tanker claiming the same because...its a tank or if a scout were to say they shouldn't be able to be detected by single infantry no matter what. I happen to agree that a Sentinel should not be able to be easily (note the word easily) solo'd in their optimal range and would post that they or the HMG needed a buff a couple of patches ago when I was ridiculously soloing them with Minnie assault and SMG. Then they buffed the HMG and things were in a pretty good spot heavy vs every other infantry. Then 1.8 happened and they got these resistances along with CPU/PG buffs. Now they are nearly impossible to solo with anything but another heavy or a scout and that isn't right either. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1285	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:28:00 - [24] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Explosives still work pretty good... More to the topic, I think that scout = heavy = medium frame is good goal to have. But that depends on engagement range for the equal sign. If Scout = heavy = medium in CQC, that's FUBAR. Because then the HMG is totally obsolete. Heavies dominate the research facility because of map design, not weapon/suit balance. There is one point that only has two entrances to cover, with a vital supply depot right next to it that has two entrances that are even more defensible. And a good heavy can lock that **** down. No amount of nerfing turn speed will fix that because the kill corridors are narrow. Creating backdoors sneak in through and RE/shotgun the fat bastards would fix it. (The other point on the second floor of the facility is much easier to kill heavies on for that very reason.) I think it should come down to SP, build, and skill. This isn't rock, paper, scissors, where rock will always beat scissors. Scissors should be able to beat rock if scissors has more SP, more skill, or better built fitting. The suit and weapon should give an advantage in a situation not determine the outcome every time or nearly every time. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
castba Penguin's March 370	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:31:00 - [25] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC? You mean his general speed isn't a weakness? His huge hitbox isn't a weakness? Not having an equipment slot isn't a weakness? If you can't beat a heavy in CQC, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, you're not suppose to? I don't know, maybe a tank should die to pistol fire too because AV isn't enough Nade spam, MD spam, and RE's kill heavies quick enough as far as I know. Maybe jump out your comfort zone or get better with your scout shotgun set up. Last I played shotguns were poop, and they were still killing heavies. You forgot the fact that heavies can't pick up anything other than another heavy or a vehicle via passive scan (tacnet is next to useless when solo) and can be passively scanned by everything unless dampened to hell. Scouts can easily take down heavies with SG or knives. RE's mean instant death even for my 1750hp pro Amarr sentinel. Mediums should have no issues flanking heavies, thus gaining the advantage and then dance their way to victory or simply engage OUTSIDE of 20m. OP, you mention the Research Facility socket (not map) and the number of heavies that reside within as the reason they are overpowered, yet there is no mention of them on Manus Peak, Line Harvest or outside of the "B" building on Fractured road. I would go so far as to say that the only place that heavies have an advantage over other suits is the Reseach Facility socket and the old Mushroom socket (although even that is debatable).
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 599	Posted - 2014.04.11 02:34:00 - [26] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: It's so sad that this wee bit of a nerf makes you so mad. Okay, maybe not 25% but they need rotation speed nerfed. I don't even play this **** game, so I'm mad? lol When I did use to play Galente assaults were orbiting heavies, and when heavies made enough threads about it, it got buffed. You speak about not having equipment isn't a weakness? Let's take away the scout equipment slots. It's not a weakness right? So it should be fine. When you have a tanked out assault frame running circles around a heavy, it's not balanced. You want to know the correct way to balance it? Buff the scout speed... THAT'S IT. But naaaaaah, you people so want to nerf everything that kills you. Sad state of a game, and no wonder this game is getting worse because clowns like you are the ones giving feedback. Taking away scout equipment is stupid if you take away both. It would ruin the cloaking game play. Now heavies are different. As you may or may not know, I believe that the more armor you stack, the slower your turn speed should be. Now a heavy with 1200 armor turning at the speed of a minmitar scout with 70 armor is absolutely broken. Either nerf their overall speed or make armor modules have speed turning penalties. This could lead to a buff to ferroscale plates because they wont have any rotaton penalties. This might lead people to use them.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 88	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:03:00 - [27] - Quote Still not convinced that Heavies are OP; can't get behind a nerf unless its needed (see Tanks). One thing CCP should fix -- on the topic of Heavies -- is the HMG's bullsh!t statis field ... * Timeout, Guys! I'm shooting! You have to stand there 'til I'm done!* Bang?
Principus Shmoof Triariian Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services Armed-n-Hammered 86	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:33:00 - [28] - Quote less nerf/buff, more new content please
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 83	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:44:00 - [29] - Quote The but thirst scout/ meds in this dedate are funny. As a logi I don't really care because either way I am gettin WP. As some one said earlier (too lazy to find) heavies are really only good in certain areas. Scouts on the other hand... We'll let's say they can do good anywhere.
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 51	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:46:00 - [30] - Quote N000000 that was my 9th controller I broke because of cloak shotgunners Obvious troll is Obvious

Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 83	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:50:00 - [31] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: N000000 that was my 9th controller I broke because of cloak shotgunners Full proto? Entire squads of em little bastards? Why can't people be satisfied that they can counter each other?
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 320	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:51:00 - [32] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics. except the exoskeleton is much more powerful on a heavy suit then a scout suit. try more like, a body builder vs usain bolt
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 474	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:02:00 - [33] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. lol that statement right there shows how much you want to solo heavies ...NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SOLO IT!!! What the hell? They are a single player in a single dropsuit, why shouldn't they be soloable? Engagement ranges argument aside are you now saying a Heavy should require 2+ players to kill? Holy !#@!$#$#$%% Tanks 2.0? That's Spkr-esque levels of retardation right there.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2194	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:23:00 - [34] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I think it should come down to SP, build, and skill. This isn't rock, paper, scissors, where rock will always beat scissors. Scissors should be able to beat rock if scissors has more SP, more skill, or better built fitting. The suit and weapon should give an advantage in a situation not determine the outcome every time or nearly every time. For that to be true, range would have to not matter in the game. Otherwise, an Assault player would beat a Heavy player every single time. (Take potshots at range, then close for the kill.) It's akin to arguing that shotguns should be nerfed because they beat sniper rifles too often in CQC and tight rooms. If the HMG is too good, it should have it's ROF nerfed the same 10-12% that rifles got slapped with. If Heavies using rifles is a problem, I think light weapons on Sentinels should be limited in some fashion. If Sentinel EHP is too high in general, the Sentinel bonuses should be looked at and adjusted. But the base HP of the suits, and the turn speed, should be left the hell alone. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 9	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:25:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Maybe on those maps you should try a different weapon for the job the mass driver is now a good weapon for dislodging those pesky heavys out of a room might take two.clips but even then its gonna light a fire under there asses On a side note i think most people believe they should be able to walk into a room and have some golden gun that they can just 1v1 a heavy nope i can tell everyone now that will never happen sorry people you should not be able to stand toe to toe with a heavy in any circumstances as for nerfing the turn speed why i catch a heavy with his back turned i shoot o see how slow he turn instead of trying to dbo his ass strafe the opposite way he turns keep his gun off of you as long as possible CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Rusty Shallows 1487	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:32:00 - [36] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: cough Forge gun cough Cough Too soon Dukey, too soon. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5616	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:38:00 - [37] - Quote I'll aggree. You don't see Dreds with insane tracking speed. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 167	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:49:00 - [38] - Quote lunatis orrak wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. Everything has to be balanced. A scout should = heavy = medium frame. Heavy needs a weakness in CQC that's why you see so many in maps like research facility because they literally have none. Maybe on those maps you should try a different weapon for the job the mass driver is now a good weapon for dislodging those pesky heavys out of a room might take two.clips but even then its gonna light a fire under there asses On a side note i think most people believe they should be able to walk into a room and have some golden gun that they can just 1v1 a heavy nope i can tell everyone now that will never happen sorry people you should not be able to stand toe to toe with a heavy in any circumstances as for nerfing the turn speed why i catch a heavy with his back turned i shoot o see how slow he turn instead of trying to dbo his ass strafe the opposite way he turns keep his gun off of you as long as possible You can kill most heavies with the potato cannon or a RE. Heavies are hardy, but they aren't hard to kill if you blindside them and aim. The only thing I find hilarious is the occasional knova knifer trying to kill a heavy. A smart heavy just punches the minnie Knifers lights out while moving away. If they are tanked up remember that they can't move and hit them with OHKO gear like a militia forge fitting or potato cannon/REs. If they aren't tanked up then remember that there massive hitbox = you can spray and pray a lot more effectively as long as you keep your distance from the hmg. RRs are pretty crappy at hitting dodgy targets, your welcome for revealing the secret to killing RR heavies. If they are hiding in some corner like in the facility then fill that corner with nades and MD blasts until they move or die, chances are they won't be able to move or die. If you can't do these things because you rushed one specific build to proto, well you shouldn't of listened to CCP and should of learned after a month of play that Specializing before getting core/std options is a no no thanks to the ever evolving state of the game combined with the attitude CCP has with skill refunds. Has to be def comm 4 before CCP will give a refund.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1186	Posted - 2014.04.11 05:11:00 - [39] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. That already happened to scouts Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 600	Posted - 2014.04.11 10:52:00 - [40] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics. except the exoskeleton is much more powerful on a heavy suit then a scout suit. try more like, a body builder vs usain bolt usain bolt would still turn faster, CPU and PG on heavies is = to scout. CPU and PG measures power. HP does not.

KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2186	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:02:00 - [41] - Quote Meh, the suits are fine IMO - leave them alone. Just do something with the HMG pushback effect (or is it a bug?) and most of us would be very happy. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 9	Posted - 2014.04.11 12:11:00 - [42] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Meh, the suits are fine IMO - leave them alone. Just do something with the HMG pushback effect (or is it a bug?) and most of us would be very happy. A bug !!!! Are you serious? Please be joking . CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1673	Posted - 2014.04.11 12:16:00 - [43] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics. Do we really want to get into a physics discussion alongside people who can go invisible, death-defying cloning technology, and miniaturized blackhole transportation? I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for heavies turning quickly while wielding heavy weapons. Heavy suits could have extra strength-assistance tech or exo-skeletal rigging to help distribute the weight of their weapon across their frames better. Or both. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 9	Posted - 2014.04.11 12:35:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics. Do we really want to get into a physics discussion alongside people who can go invisible, death-defying cloning technology, and miniaturized blackhole transportation? I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for heavies turning quickly while wielding heavy weapons. Heavy suits could have extra strength-assistance tech or exo-skeletal rigging to help distribute the weight of their weapon across their frames better. Or both. Let me help you this one bro this is for ripley primarily concerning your fatboy theory. The Heavy dropsuit is a second-generation solution designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from the concussive, thermal, and impact forces of low-grade explosives!!!!!! Additionally, its power-assisted exoskeleton facilitates usage of the heaviest caliber personal weapons!!!!!!!!!! Heavy dropsuits lack the mobility of lighter suits, but this trade-off results in a defensive system that defies standard infantry conventions.Every vital area of the wearer is protected by 25mm compostie ceramic shell or high tensile steel plates, layered with impact absorbing, compressed carbon latticework. A secondary thermal dispersion membrane channels excess heat away from the point of contact, distributing it over a larger surface area and thereby lessining the potention damage. Superconductive veins of hybrid silver coat the outer layers and connect every piece of the armor to a grounding heat sink, dampening the harmful effects of direct fire electromagnetic weaponry. Found on multiple sites quoted from ign . CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 417	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:16:00 - [45] - Quote I would have to say that if the "insta-stop" HMG effect BS was gone, I could probably tolerate heavies again. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2986	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:32:00 - [46] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. What situation would that be? You can unload 2-3 shots into a heavy and he can just turn around and instantly blow you away with a HMG. If I get the drop on a heavy, he shouldn't be able to luck his way out of getting killed. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 150	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:51:00 - [47] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. They are only CQC specialists because the HMG is the only anti-infantry weapon currently available. If you use a RR they are no longer CQC specialists. Please point me to the dev post or blog that states that a sentinel should not be able to be solo killed, otherwise you should refrain from posting your opinion as if it were fact. Your main issue seems to be about the RR more so than the heavy sentinel. So why then aren't you advocating the nerf for the RR instead of the sentinel? I'll tell you why, because you're one of those that wants to own sentinels no matter what weapon they use. Rotation speed nerf? Seriously? That's called easy mode for scouts who can jump 5 feet high and close the gap faster than you can blink. You're not asking for a nerf. You're asking for the removal of any valid use for a heavy except maybe a hallway fight. The only heavy you'd see is the forge gunner. The intention for this nerf request is only too obvious. RE's and shotguns are enough for scouts. Stop trying to make them the ultimate super soldier.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4854	Posted - 2014.04.11 17:57:00 - [48] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: HMGs are like shotguns, if you get close they will drop you. Unlike shotguns though, the hmg can't chase you down so get the hell away from it. Yoooo.... this logical thinking has no place here! People MUST be able to 1v1 a heavy all the time otherwise they're OP. Get with the program ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4854	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:01:00 - [49] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: or no. Heavies are CQC "specialists". Taking away their rotating speed directly affect how they're performing their roles. It's like taking away the scout speed because "they're too fast right now". How about not putting yourself in a situation where a heavy can turn on you, and wrek you? No? Sorry I realize that means adapting and thinking before putting yourself in a situation. People want to be able to run circles around the heavy like they used to and solo them. That already happened to scouts Well isn't that the scout's problem? How about making threads about buffing the scouts speed instead of people making threads to nerf another class because of the scout's shortcomings. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 307	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:04:00 - [50] - Quote These threads and the constant ilk of only wanting vanilla killed this game before the beta went live. Please continue.

Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 755	Posted - 2014.04.11 18:28:00 - [51] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: That would basically make them capable of rotating once every 24 hours. On the plus side, we could set our watches by them. yeah because an obese person with a 200 pound gun should be able to rotate as fast as Usain bolt with his 10 LB assault rifle. Physics. You realize heavies have bigger exo skeletons right? So technically they can move that weight just as fast as any other suit. You obviously want heavies to die every time when you get behind them. You just aren't good get good and you'll do fine like all the other scouts who kill me from the rear. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals


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