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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:38:00 -
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I've been wanting to do these things for a while, where I put a topic up for debate every week and then tally up the votes to see where the community's opinion lies on the matter. When I found an interesting discussion in another thread, I figured now's as good a time as any.
You may also vote on which topic should be debated next week. However, please choose a topic that hasn't reached a general consensus yet, as I'd like these things to hold an actual debate as opposed to a like farm. It should also go without saying that I will be neutral on these debates.
So without further ado, here's the question:
Quote:Should ISK Balance be reset once the player market is introduced?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6530
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:38:00 -
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Votes Supporting: 0
Votes Opposing: 0
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6530
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:39:00 -
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Best Supporting Argument:
Best Opposing Argument:
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1901
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:40:00 -
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I don't see why you'd want to punish people for running cheap gear and saving isk for future stuff to come with an isk reset...
A vote against I suppose.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1102
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:43:00 -
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No.
Yes, it sucks that certain people have a billion+ from abusing game mechanics (mainly PC locking) but I don't. I have 50 million that I have gotten by playing the game and just having fun. If that is taken away, I would be unable to play the game as I enjoy it. Even if it was reset, are they going to take all my items as well? Because if they are not, then it doesn't matter. I can guarantee that people are going to spend a load of cash buying hundreds of every popular item when Player Market hits.
I certainly will, at least with my fits just so I can be sure that when EVE players start making my stuff that I will have a backlog for a couple weeks. Certain things like popular weapons or tanks are going to be mighty pricey.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Lokun Listamenn
100
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:44:00 -
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If anything I'd say there needs to be a third currency (we'll call it DSK because lol) that would initially replace ISK in Dust at a 1:1 ratio. The exchange rate would be something around 1 ISK = 100 DSK and would be actively adjusted by CCP to ensure that no infantry/surface combat equipment is ever more expensive than a space frigate.
Also so that the richest players don't do anything fucky when the market opens up.
"Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
8217
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:46:00 -
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I would leave my game.
Every drop of ISK I have comes from me grinding for months in BPO gear.
What came from PC and me stomping in proto gear is minimal to this.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2448
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:49:00 -
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Absolutely not, why punish every single player in this game because people used legitmate in-game mechanic to gain isk. It may have been flawed but it doesnt justify punishing thousands of people who have never had anything to do with PC in the first place, some of whom may not even know what PC is and why their ISK was reset.
There should have been an asset reset with the release of uprising. Chromosome salvage gave us open beta vets waaaaaaaay too much cash. But its too late for that now.
Yes PC corps will buy up all of the officer weapons at ludicrous prices. But that also means more cash for the people who never intended to use those items in the first place.
So, no... absolutely not - 100% against. |
NEO Arbiter
Red Hand Syndicate
103
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:54:00 -
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No
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1407
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:57:00 -
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Don't make me find you in any game mode and Chase you with RE's !!!
Don't make the Dust community (put a large bounty on your head)
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Jack Kittinger
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:58:00 -
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I'm guessing you bring ISK Reset up because of the corps farming PC
I believe then that CCP hasn't shown any interest in fixing this issue and they'll most likely let that go
I'm going with: I agree to Reset ISK Balance, just to screw this game even more and see the 5k+ community dwindle but inevitably come back to an abusive dev team.
Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!!
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
637
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:01:00 -
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Such a move would have to coincide with a resetting of fittings; otherwise, people will just sink all of their ISK into fittings/weapons/etc. before the reset takes place.
Hell, I just purchased 50 re-stocks of my Maddy build out of boredom. If ISK was going to be reset, I'd probably purchase a couple hundred more.
Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit.
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1290
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:02:00 -
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No. I earned 150 million ISK by running STD level gear, and BPO's, and now that I have a stockpile and a few good proto fits you're suggesting that we wipe everyone's wallet?
**** that noise.
It wont "Help" the new players as the "Rich" players already have TONS of gear to sell on the open market, (I have 100 mill in unused Caldari gear to sell alone, not to mention Gallente, and vehicles) and a stockpile of good fits to run and stomp the now poor low SP characters in to the ground even harder because they can just sell off their unused gear to fund proto stomping, leaving the aforementioned poor low SP characters without any money to buy their "Best fits" to even stand a chance.
100% against.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
130
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:08:00 -
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atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed
district locking is all i need to say . you all know there are corps waiting for the market just to buy all the offerer gear off it . thoses are the ones the locked for months . 10 plus district 12 mil each day around about . you do the math . all free isk . |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6532
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Jack Kittinger wrote:I'm guessing you bring ISK Reset up because of the corps farming PC
No, I brought this up because I saw an interesting debate in another thread.
The debate started with this post, and it kinda went on from there. Please remember, I'm remaining neutral in these debates.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7999
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:10:00 -
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Resetting ISK is punishing the majority of players because the PC elitist exploited a flawed mechanic for months. If CCP is going to do anything, aim it directly at those exploiters rather than everyone else. Why not just look back on data logs and remove ISK generated from locking districts all that time? I'd love to hear them start raging about CCP taking away their ISK, the same ISK that they knowingly got from exploits.
But meh, at the end of the day I see CCP doing absolutely nothing about this.
Amarr are the good guys.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
130
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:10:00 -
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christ sake what did i start lo . most of the upper lv will vote no thats a no brainer |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6532
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:14:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed
If I wanted to farm likes, I'd set the votes up to where you'd like a post to vote yes or no. 
Anyways, I said I'm staying neutral on this, and I'm holding to that. If you want to state why an ISK reset would be needed, then you'll have to do so yourself.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3015
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:18:00 -
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I just got into eve so naturally, after watching dust playerbase protest endlessly against proper eve integration and thus petitioning for this stagnant rubbish we have now, I vote yes.
Burn this game down and punish all the deprived console only scum.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
130
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:VALCORE72 wrote:atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed If I wanted to farm likes, I'd set the votes up to where you'd like a post to vote yes or no. Anyways, I said I'm staying neutral on this, and I'm holding to that. If you want to state why an ISK reset would be needed, then you'll have to do so yourself.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3015
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:20:00 -
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Literally almost a year and a half of watching the actual player base itself destroy dust vision more and more with each update. The latest joke is the want for more land in PC, the stupidity just doesn't end.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1845
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:24:00 -
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As i'm writing, i have isk plus, isk less, 1 billion isk between 3 characters, they come from public matches and from CCP refunds.
I don't know if there is way to delete only the isk generated from PC, but if there is a way, i would delete only that isk.
And Duna2002 isk just for the lulz...
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
\o/ summon me
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
168
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:25:00 -
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**** no! I've spent over a year budgeting and grinding for my ISK. Can't tell you how many people would quit, myself included.
If the question is regarding the monopoly that PC farmers will surely have once market opens, then it is up to CCP to create a decent ISK sink. Penalising all players because a handful abused faulty game mechanics is not the way to go. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3831
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:41:00 -
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Many people  have been hoarding isk with the explicit intention of buying otherwise unobtainable items once the player market drops.
I don't think it would be fair to those to take away all that cash when they could have been using it to run proto all this time.
I am slightly worried about the impact of all the PC farmville isk on the newly deployed market, but the NPC market will serve a regulatory fuction to that end anyway.
No.
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Kelestia Colvolian
Betamax 2.0
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
0
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:42:00 -
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If CCP want to install some sort of functional player market for Dust, they're going to have to deal one way or another with the billions of ISK in ill-gotten gains the PC exploiters have accrued.
I don't see why CCP can't make like R*, who periodically purge the cheaters and explioiters in GTA V Online. Hell, CCP have done it before in Eve Online: Look up Operation 'Unholy Rage'. Admittedly, that was aimed at RMTers, but exploiting is exploiting, right?
If Dust is ever going to integrate with Eve-O in any meaningful way, the exploiters have to be dealt with. There's no other way. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1845
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:44:00 -
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I would rename the thread.
Quote:How would you like to punish PC exploiters?
Because imo that is the problem, it's been a problem when district locking was profitable and it's still a problem now with the blue donut and the reinforcement window at 12:00.
I don't know what CCP has done with PC, they have said that should have been the "hardcore" game mode, but for how is designed now PC is FAILED game mode, district locking was a game mechanic exploit, blue donut is a player created exploit, nothing more nothing less.
CCP need to swipe all the isk generated from PC, close it, add old corp battles.
Then they have to rework it.
- District must be always open (2 hours notice before battles)
- Biomass must be generated and added to the district every hour (not a great amount of clones)
- No ringers policy or a heavy tax on ringers
- Plus all the EVE stuff related that was pretty good
This is a "hardcore mode" not like the actual PC
Sorry for the Off-topic but i think that these arguments are related.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
\o/ summon me
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SPACE SYPHILIS
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:00:00 -
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Ok you can have my ISK if you give me 500,000 Aurum. I worked to Damn hard for mine, I have over 200 million and I earned mine without a corp and with any help what so ever. I hate to tell you this but this should not be aimed at the individual but at the system. The system is broke and needs to fixed, higher ISK payout per game is needed. |
Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1406
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:21:00 -
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You dont need to change anything in regards to ISK already earned. If you want to balance everything out then you change the amount of ISK that you CAN earn after the market is released.
I had this example in another thread:
Player X has 1 billion ISK
Player Y has 1 million ISK
If an average player can make 2 million ISK per day then the gap between the two players is 499.5 days
Now, lets change the possible earnings per day to 20 million ISK. The gap has become 49.95 days
In 100 days
Player X will have 3 billion ISK
Player Y will have 2 billion ISK
There is still a bit of a gap for the work that Player X had previously put in but not enough that s/he completely overshadows Player Y.
Problem solved.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3015
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:22:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I would rename the thread. Quote:How would you like to punish PC exploiters? Because imo that is the problem, it's been a problem when district locking was profitable and it's still a problem now with the blue donut and the reinforcement window at 12:00. I don't know what CCP has done with PC, they have said that PC should have been the "hardcore" game mode, but for how is designed now PC is FAILED game mode, district locking was a game mechanic exploit, blue donut is a player created exploit, nothing more nothing less. CCP need to swipe all the isk generated from PC, close it, add old corp battles. Then they have to rework it.
- District must be always open (2 hours notice before battles)
- Biomass must be generated and added to the district every hour (not a great amount of clones)
- No ringers policy or a heavy tax on ringers
- Plus all the EVE stuff related that was pretty good
This is a "hardcore mode" not like the actual PC Sorry for the Off-topic but i think that these arguments are related.
Just add the eve side logistics and what you have stated is pretty much what I have been whining for ages about.
Also, standings with eve/dust player corps would be nice. But we know that the average duster doesn't want any of that, game is doomed until further notice in my eyes.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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norttheantiv
The Rainbow Effect
108
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:25:00 -
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I don't think that an isk reset is a good idea at all.
But maybe an algorithmic adjustment to market prices based on usage would be an interesting idea.
Winner EU Squad Cup
Go Go Power Rangers!
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
903
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:16:00 -
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Mmmh I think we need to reduce salvage a bit more to protect the economy before we take this measurements ;-). |
The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1292
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:19:00 -
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Either way, I'm planning on spending 150 million isk on my favorite proto fits tonight. Should end up with just under 1000 of the ones I regularly run, with 160 million left in the bank.
Give the players a wallet reset, give us a full asset refund while you're at it. There will always be players with millions more ISK than you.
Consider this, I have 310 million ISK sitting in my wallet, 150 mill of that from farming pubs in STD and ADV gear. In the grand scheme of things among the "Rich" players I'm a broke ass chump.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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General John Ripper
19652
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:21:00 -
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Donating all my pretitioned likes towards the no vote.
I am GJR and I speak for the people.
My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition
Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6543
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:22:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Don't make me find you in any game mode and Chase you with RE's !!!
Can't chase a Dropship with REs
NAV HIV wrote:
Don't make the Dust community (put a large bounty on your head)
LOL
Benjamin Cisco already did that before. 
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6543
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:26:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:
I don't know if there is way to delete only the isk generated from PC.
There is. Need I remind you of that fiasco that caused a crap ton of people's wallets to go negative?
Everything you gain and/or lose is tracked, be it items or currency (ISK/AUR/LP), and even SP obtained from boosters.
#LivingLikeLarry
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1643
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:26:00 -
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CCP has ways of tracking the origin of ISK. Have them determine the value of all ISK generated in the last six months before the player-market goes live. Cut those values by 85%. I'm all for that.
But a full ISK wipe: No. There are people who legitimately earned their ISK who aren't in PC corps. Don't punish them because some other players are being douche-canoes.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1891
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:28:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Such a move would have to coincide with a resetting of fittings; otherwise, people will just sink all of their ISK into fittings/weapons/etc. before the reset takes place.
Hell, I just purchased 50 re-stocks of my Maddy build out of boredom. If ISK was going to be reset, I'd probably purchase a couple hundred more.
A total economic reset would fix this nicely.
Everyone keeps their skill points though give everyone a clean economic slate with a reasonable amount of Isk (100m?) for all active players.
Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!!
Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
481
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:32:00 -
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Step 1: Wipe ISK accounts.
Step 2: Open ISK transfer from Eve to Dust.
Step 3: Watch how nothing has changed at all.
I haven't looked at my wallet in a while so I really don't care, but I don't think resetting the ISK accounts is going to help anyone. I think the actual problem lies in the fact that the proverbial pool doesn't have a shallow end for starters to learn how to swim. Maybe more to the point the supposedly shallow end actually has the sharks in it. |
BatKing Deltor
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
881
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:41:00 -
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No.
So the last 3 months of saving up 55 million isk out of pub matches is and was all for nothing?
Also, if the amount of isk needs to be reduced from the economy, take away the passive generated isk from PC, don't punish everyone else for other players actions. Or CCP's broken game mode, for that matter included...
Lynn Beck - "He has everything on his main. needs a vehicle? he has his Batking. Infantry? his Batking."
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
2313
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:47:00 -
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No peasant you can't have my isk.
The problem with tanks
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Gotmy Tightpantson
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:55:00 -
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Hell no.
Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?!
http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
2470
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:56:00 -
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No. Some of have abused our mechanics to gain the isk others have rightfully earned it. The entire community should not be punished because of those that are being abusive.
If you lived in a community with 10 murders out of 1000 innocents it would be unfair and unethical to put the whole 1000 in prison just because of 10 rotten human beings.
For the Federation!
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
628
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:13:00 -
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I vote no. I have never been involved with PC and all the isk I have made has been from running BPO's in pubs. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
2367
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:16:00 -
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Should not be reset.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Rusty Shallows
1478
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:17:00 -
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PVE will eventually fulfill another ISK Faucet.
Resets sure sound like nerfing and I hate nerfing. So no. PC needs major fixing. A temporary stop-gap would be severally reducing the resale value of biomass. If Dust Charts is correct there is 10.7 billion ISK in Clone-Futures right now. Passive ISK should never generate that kind of wealth.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12227
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:18:00 -
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How come you've set this up as '18 supporting 3 opposing' when it's actually about 18 opposing and 3 supporting?
It's confusing.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Spirax Sarco
Sniper Research Lab
32
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:27:00 -
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if they reset it then they better come up with a way to stop people from making isk by cloning.....
those who know, know what I mean.....
C.R.E.A.M.
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1294
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:35:00 -
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Atiim, you should change the titles to
Votes against an ISK wipe:
and
Votes for an ISK wipe:
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6549
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:How come you've set this up as '18 supporting 3 opposing' when it's actually about 18 opposing and 3 supporting?
It's confusing.
#LivingLikeLarry
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12238
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:How come you've set this up as '18 supporting 3 opposing' when it's actually about 18 opposing and 3 supporting?
It's confusing.
I am waiting.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6552
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
I am waiting.
It's fixed.
I thought I put the 'Votes Opposed' on top.
#LivingLikeLarry
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12241
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
I am waiting.
It's fixed. I thought I put the 'Votes Opposed' on top.
Thank you.
For the record, I am vehemently opposed. Naturally, the detractors would say, because I am in a PC corp. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1646
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:09:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:For the record, I am vehemently opposed. Naturally, the detractors would say, because I am in a PC corp.
Which would be correct.
I don't blame you though. If I had billions and billions of ISK I wouldn't want it taken away. Even if it was ill-gotten.
... is this what it is like to be Republican?
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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GLOBAL RAGE
Consolidated Dust
37
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:18:00 -
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YES- cap it at 100,000,000.00isk per person and corporation |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6555
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:25:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:
I don't blame you though. If I had billions and billions of ISK I wouldn't want it taken away. Even if it was ill-gotten.
I'm not going to get involved with the debate, but you may need to do some serious fact-checking.
Arkena already had an extreme amount of wealth back when he was in Turlyon 514, which was a Gallente FW corp; and he didn't participate i PC at that time.
Also, FA (afaik) only offers a 2m ISK weekly paycheck. Running Ambush in BPOs or STD fits could net you that in only an hour.
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The Headless Horseman
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've been wanting to do these things for a while, where I put a topic up for debate every week and then tally up the votes to see where the community's opinion lies on the matter. When I found an interesting discussion in another thread, I figured now's as good a time as any. You may also vote on which topic should be debated next week. However, please choose a topic that hasn't reached a general consensus yet, as I'd like these things to hold an actual debate as opposed to a like farm. It should also go without saying that I will be neutral on these debates. So without further ado, here's the question: Quote:Should ISK Balance be reset once the player market is introduced?
FU! Need more? I would sue the fk out of somebody. That or go postal. All this time spending real money for aur just to have all my hard earned isk removed............FU
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1646
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'm not going to get involved with the debate, but you may need to do some serious fact-checking.
Arkena already had an extreme amount of wealth back when he was in Turlyon 514, which was a Gallente FW corp; and he didn't participate i PC at that time.
Also, FA (afaik) only offers a 2m ISK weekly paycheck. Running Ambush in BPOs or STD fits could net you that in only an hour.
Then subtracting the ISK earned from PC won't effect Arkena at all! Excellent news!  Any ISK earned from FW, public contracts, or CCP events can be kept. Nuke every last 0.01 ISK from PC into the ground.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
73
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:33:00 -
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I support it. This way the rich players can have suffer what we normal players suffer in the Battlefield. Im barely at 20 million but others having 100 million + = DAME
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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The Headless Horseman
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Many people have been hoarding isk with the explicit intention of buying otherwise unobtainable items once the player market drops. I don't think it would be fair to those to take away all that cash when they could have been using it to run proto all this time. I am slightly worried about the impact of all the PC farmville isk on the newly deployed market, but the NPC market will serve a regulatory fuction to that end anyway.
Have ALL my likes.......
I vote Chunky Munkey for lead designer/CPM/CCP vice president.
They should just remove ALL PC iskies/dirty iskies. You don't make money in pubs.
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:19:00 -
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We do not need an isk wipe.
The wealth imbalance in DUST is far less than what EVE experiences (top have trillions, avg player few hundred million) and It does not hurt them greatly. What needs to happen is some balance work done on incomes to even things out a bit.
Also, I haven't seen anyone suggest this yet, but there might be a very good reason to WANT that isk in our economy. In EVE, ISK is power. Just equate those two in your head. At some point down the road, the EVE-DUST link will really open up, letting ISK and goods flow each direction. When that happens, the more ISK the DUST community has, the stronger our position will be. Food for thought...
EVE - Victor Maximus
DUST - Azri Sarum
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
152
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:22:00 -
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I have to chime in about this. There are so many other things that are happening that need to be looked at in the game. I highly doubt if they will EVER have a players market. The PS3 will be a near dead console by the time it happens. |
Jenza's Pants
The Hetairoi
154
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:23:00 -
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CCP should just take isk made off district locking and distribute it throughout the cluster. Socialism. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1279
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:26:00 -
[63] - Quote
Heeeeeeeell no! They need to give those of us who haven't reaped the rewards of printing ISK through PC more viable ways to do so. The way I look at it, sure the this means that a select few will have more opportunity to buy officer gear and BPOs in the market, but that means ISK will transfer from those that are hoarding PC ISK to those that don't have it. Its like its own organic market correction. Hell I'll probably jack the price up on BPOs or officer gear for anyone in DNS that is looking to buy because I know they have the cash. Call it a blue donut fee if you like.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
453
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:32:00 -
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**** no.
And i'm not even in a corp that owns any districts.
Resetting people's isk balance smacks of socialist bullshit, which wouldn't be fitting at all in the ultra capitalist economy that embodies New Eden.
If you dislike that someone else has more money then you, then tough ****. That's capitalism for ya!
Also, capitalism requires a substantial poor population, otherwise hyperinflation will ensue. |
Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
453
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:33:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote:CCP should just take isk made off district locking and distribute it throughout the cluster. Socialism.
Socialism and New Eden are like oil and water: they don't mix and never will. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6562
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:20:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:
baa your no fun
Good
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
89
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've been wanting to do these things for a while, where I put a topic up for debate every week and then tally up the votes to see where the community's opinion lies on the matter. When I found an interesting discussion in another thread, I figured now's as good a time as any. You may also vote on which topic should be debated next week. However, please choose a topic that hasn't reached a general consensus yet, as I'd like these things to hold an actual debate as opposed to a like farm. It should also go without saying that I will be neutral on these debates. So without further ado, here's the question: Quote:Should ISK Balance be reset once the player market is introduced?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
I just made 20mil in a month and i don't wanna lose it
-Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp-
Laser+Flaylock
Dust 514 recruitment link here.
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anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
34
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:37:00 -
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Yes, along with an asset reset on isk purchased items, excluding AUR and LP purchased items, giving every active player a base amount of isk to start prehaps to ip addresses so players with tons of accounts on the same ips dont get flooded with isk.
While selling your items for a huge increase in isk sounds good, that will further destroy the game making more players have enough to run more proto, new players will not stay, if everyone else runs only proto.
As someone else said a new currency, seperate from isk no exchange rate from isk to new currency, but new currency to isk sounds ok. So players would need to start to gain said currency in order to purchase items sold from other players. But overall it doesnt solve the infinite proto stomping.
All that isk farmed for PC is enough to fund them indefinitely, thats basically end game for them isk wise. Run what u want when u want how u want with no regards as to what happens doesnt sound to fun to people in the basic suits, ienjoy taking out protos with a basic suit but not when it doesnt affect them at all. Losing a proto suit should be f**k that cost me so and so isk. Not meh ill just bring another after another after another.
People say it will make people quit, maybe it's for the better, new players will be able to stand a chance and other players that stick with the game will have a chance to rise up without that huge benefit making the new wave of top corps less one sided compared to what they are now.
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
751
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:43:00 -
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I am not sure that I said this before, but I would be ok with it.
I currently have ~ 1,000 of each protosuit I can wear (5 of them) and nearly 500 mil isk. I would gladly give it all up in a "reset" in order to facilitate the market.
Fixing swarms
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6570
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Posted - 2014.04.11 02:45:00 -
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Anymore thoughts or ideas?
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JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
127
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Posted - 2014.04.11 03:11:00 -
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No way
I work hard for my ISK, i never run proto, i barely know what PC is like except horrible and a 'gamemode' where i never won (only played like 3 times).
Most importantly:
ISK is precious time i've spent playing this game. I 'worked' within the game to earn it in REAL time. Taking it away would be an insult, a disregard of all my effort and time.
It's a ridiculous idea.
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Travis Stanush
GunFall Mobilization
83
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Posted - 2014.04.11 04:24:00 -
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I would be ok with it . I have worked incredibly hard for my isk but I am not afraid to do it again. If they did this they should retool the starter fits so they are not utter crap, I really do believe that the PC isk should be removed so that the new player/ corps could get into the endgame which is PC. But this is all dependent on wether or not they are fixing / adding other key aspects of the game, PC and PVE. If they introduce the market now then all the current money could be used to create inflation thus denying access to higher tier gear an excellent strategy to keep the plebs in their place.
Imy theory is assuming that NPC market is marginalized/removed |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6580
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
To Page 1 Infinity.... and beyond!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
940
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:To Page 1 Infinity.... and beyond!
Lol
And im such a masshole, trolling players on different games causing them to rage...
Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
255
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:03:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Resetting ISK is punishing the majority of players because the PC elitist exploited a flawed mechanic for months. If CCP is going to do anything, aim it directly at those exploiters rather than everyone else. Why not just look back on data logs and remove ISK generated from locking districts all that time? I'd love to hear them start raging about CCP taking away their ISK, the same ISK that they knowingly got from exploits.
But meh, at the end of the day I see CCP doing absolutely nothing about this.
^This^ yes, otherwise no.
Punishing players who have basic math skills along with ones using broken mechanics is silly.
Welcome to you're "DOOM"
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
League of Infamy
206
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:05:00 -
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It will have to be done otherwise the entire player market will be ruled by the people who have the most isk. They will just buy everything they can because its cheaper. If it isnt reset it will cause a lot of problems. |
Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
455
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:43:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:I have to chime in about this. There are so many other things that are happening that need to be looked at in the game. I highly doubt if they will EVER have a players market. The PS3 will be a near dead console by the time it happens.
Dust will most likely get ported to PS4... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6587
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:46:00 -
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Bump.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6748
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:45:00 -
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Less than 24hrs left.
Any suggestions on which topic I should do next?
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Tweaksz
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
41
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:34:00 -
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I think it would be a good change of pace it would certainly make up for the ridiculous isk farms furing uprising PC, and here's some cream for all the butthurts out there; get isk back on a ration depending on how many skill points you have. For example I have 11m and the ratio is 1:2 than for each skill point I would get 2 isk for a total of 22m isk.
Unicorn GalScout with TAR and BoltP.
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Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
499
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've been wanting to do these things for a while, where I put a topic up for debate every week and then tally up the votes to see where the community's opinion lies on the matter. When I found an interesting discussion in another thread, I figured now's as good a time as any. You may also vote on which topic should be debated next week. However, please choose a topic that hasn't reached a general consensus yet, as I'd like these things to hold an actual debate as opposed to a like farm. It should also go without saying that I will be neutral on these debates. So without further ado, here's the question: Quote:Should ISK Balance be reset once the player market is introduced?
Hell NO!!! And if you understood how the market worked in EVE then you would understand why resetting money would only kill the market in its infancy!
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137656&find=unread
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Justice Prevails
250
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:15:00 -
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Would have to say no. Earned my 85 mil the hard way and want to keep it. CCP can't punish the PC exploiters for playing the game that CCP gave them. It would also hurt too many other people. Besides, if someone found an exploit with pc, what's to stop them from eventually f***ing the market? They really need to hire someone to play devil's advocate when they think sh*t up.
Embracing my inner scrub since 2013.
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