DUST Search - [Weekly Inquiry] Should ISK Balance Be Reset With The Player Market?

shaman oga wrote:

I would rename the thread.

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How would you like to punish PC exploiters?

Because imo that is the problem, it's been a problem when district locking was profitable and it's still a problem now with the blue donut and the reinforcement window at 12:00.

I don't know what CCP has done with PC, they have said that PC should have been the "hardcore" game mode, but for how is designed now PC is FAILED game mode, district locking was a game mechanic exploit, blue donut is a player created exploit, nothing more nothing less.

CCP need to swipe all the isk generated from PC, close it, add old corp battles.

Then they have to rework it.

District must be always open (2 hours notice before battles)
Biomass must be generated and added to the district every hour (not a great amount of clones)
No ringers policy or a heavy tax on ringers
Plus all the EVE stuff related that was pretty good

This is a "hardcore mode" not like the actual PC

Sorry for the Off-topic but i think that these arguments are related.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6530	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:38:00 - [1] - Quote I've been wanting to do these things for a while, where I put a topic up for debate every week and then tally up the votes to see where the community's opinion lies on the matter. When I found an interesting discussion in another thread, I figured now's as good a time as any. You may also vote on which topic should be debated next week. However, please choose a topic that hasn't reached a general consensus yet, as I'd like these things to hold an actual debate as opposed to a like farm. It should also go without saying that I will be neutral on these debates. So without further ado, here's the question: Quote: Should ISK Balance be reset once the player market is introduced? #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6530	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:38:00 - [2] - Quote Votes Supporting: 0 Votes Opposing: 0 #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6530	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:39:00 - [3] - Quote Best Supporting Argument: Quote: Best Opposing Argument: Quote: #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1901	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:40:00 - [4] - Quote I don't see why you'd want to punish people for running cheap gear and saving isk for future stuff to come with an isk reset... A vote against I suppose. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1102	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:43:00 - [5] - Quote No. Yes, it sucks that certain people have a billion+ from abusing game mechanics (mainly PC locking) but I don't. I have 50 million that I have gotten by playing the game and just having fun. If that is taken away, I would be unable to play the game as I enjoy it. Even if it was reset, are they going to take all my items as well? Because if they are not, then it doesn't matter. I can guarantee that people are going to spend a load of cash buying hundreds of every popular item when Player Market hits. I certainly will, at least with my fits just so I can be sure that when EVE players start making my stuff that I will have a backlog for a couple weeks. Certain things like popular weapons or tanks are going to be mighty pricey. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Lokun Listamenn 100	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:44:00 - [6] - Quote If anything I'd say there needs to be a third currency (we'll call it DSK because lol) that would initially replace ISK in Dust at a 1:1 ratio. The exchange rate would be something around 1 ISK = 100 DSK and would be actively adjusted by CCP to ensure that no infantry/surface combat equipment is ever more expensive than a space frigate. Also so that the richest players don't do anything fucky when the market opens up. "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8217	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:46:00 - [7] - Quote I would leave my game. Every drop of ISK I have comes from me grinding for months in BPO gear. What came from PC and me stomping in proto gear is minimal to this. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2448	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:49:00 - [8] - Quote Absolutely not, why punish every single player in this game because people used legitmate in-game mechanic to gain isk. It may have been flawed but it doesnt justify punishing thousands of people who have never had anything to do with PC in the first place, some of whom may not even know what PC is and why their ISK was reset. There should have been an asset reset with the release of uprising. Chromosome salvage gave us open beta vets waaaaaaaay too much cash. But its too late for that now. Yes PC corps will buy up all of the officer weapons at ludicrous prices. But that also means more cash for the people who never intended to use those items in the first place. So, no... absolutely not - 100% against.
NEO Arbiter Red Hand Syndicate 103	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:54:00 - [9] - Quote No Tears4Life
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1407	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:57:00 - [10] - Quote Don't make me find you in any game mode and Chase you with RE's !!! Don't make the Dust community (put a large bounty on your head) LOL

Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote I'm guessing you bring ISK Reset up because of the corps farming PC I believe then that CCP hasn't shown any interest in fixing this issue and they'll most likely let that go I'm going with: I agree to Reset ISK Balance, just to screw this game even more and see the 5k+ community dwindle but inevitably come back to an abusive dev team. Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!! Lucky Number 29
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 637	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:01:00 - [12] - Quote Such a move would have to coincide with a resetting of fittings; otherwise, people will just sink all of their ISK into fittings/weapons/etc. before the reset takes place. Hell, I just purchased 50 re-stocks of my Maddy build out of boredom. If ISK was going to be reset, I'd probably purchase a couple hundred more. Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1290	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote No. I earned 150 million ISK by running STD level gear, and BPO's, and now that I have a stockpile and a few good proto fits you're suggesting that we wipe everyone's wallet? **** that noise. It wont "Help" the new players as the "Rich" players already have TONS of gear to sell on the open market, (I have 100 mill in unused Caldari gear to sell alone, not to mention Gallente, and vehicles) and a stockpile of good fits to run and stomp the now poor low SP characters in to the ground even harder because they can just sell off their unused gear to fund proto stomping, leaving the aforementioned poor low SP characters without any money to buy their "Best fits" to even stand a chance. 100% against. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:08:00 - [14] - Quote atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed district locking is all i need to say . you all know there are corps waiting for the market just to buy all the offerer gear off it . thoses are the ones the locked for months . 10 plus district 12 mil each day around about . you do the math . all free isk .
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6532	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:08:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Kittinger wrote: I'm guessing you bring ISK Reset up because of the corps farming PC No, I brought this up because I saw an interesting debate in another thread. The debate started with this post, and it kinda went on from there. Please remember, I'm remaining neutral in these debates. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7999	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:10:00 - [16] - Quote Resetting ISK is punishing the majority of players because the PC elitist exploited a flawed mechanic for months. If CCP is going to do anything, aim it directly at those exploiters rather than everyone else. Why not just look back on data logs and remove ISK generated from locking districts all that time? I'd love to hear them start raging about CCP taking away their ISK, the same ISK that they knowingly got from exploits. But meh, at the end of the day I see CCP doing absolutely nothing about this. Amarr are the good guys.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:10:00 - [17] - Quote christ sake what did i start lo . most of the upper lv will vote no thats a no brainer
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6532	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:14:00 - [18] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed If I wanted to farm likes, I'd set the votes up to where you'd like a post to vote yes or no. Anyways, I said I'm staying neutral on this, and I'm holding to that. If you want to state why an ISK reset would be needed, then you'll have to do so yourself. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3015	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:18:00 - [19] - Quote I just got into eve so naturally, after watching dust playerbase protest endlessly against proper eve integration and thus petitioning for this stagnant rubbish we have now, I vote yes. Burn this game down and punish all the deprived console only scum. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:20:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: atim farming like you little nub lol we was have some great talk on sabers post . 80% will vote na on this btw . you forgot to tell them how it started and why isk reset would be needed If I wanted to farm likes, I'd set the votes up to where you'd like a post to vote yes or no. Anyways, I said I'm staying neutral on this, and I'm holding to that. If you want to state why an ISK reset would be needed, then you'll have to do so yourself. baa your no fun

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3015	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:20:00 - [21] - Quote Literally almost a year and a half of watching the actual player base itself destroy dust vision more and more with each update. The latest joke is the want for more land in PC, the stupidity just doesn't end. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1845	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:24:00 - [22] - Quote As i'm writing, i have isk plus, isk less, 1 billion isk between 3 characters, they come from public matches and from CCP refunds. I don't know if there is way to delete only the isk generated from PC, but if there is a way, i would delete only that isk. And Duna2002 isk just for the lulz... The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 168	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:25:00 - [23] - Quote **** no! I've spent over a year budgeting and grinding for my ISK. Can't tell you how many people would quit, myself included. If the question is regarding the monopoly that PC farmers will surely have once market opens, then it is up to CCP to create a decent ISK sink. Penalising all players because a handful abused faulty game mechanics is not the way to go.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3831	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote Many people have been hoarding isk with the explicit intention of buying otherwise unobtainable items once the player market drops. I don't think it would be fair to those to take away all that cash when they could have been using it to run proto all this time. I am slightly worried about the impact of all the PC farmville isk on the newly deployed market, but the NPC market will serve a regulatory fuction to that end anyway. No.
Kelestia Colvolian Betamax 2.0 INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:42:00 - [25] - Quote If CCP want to install some sort of functional player market for Dust, they're going to have to deal one way or another with the billions of ISK in ill-gotten gains the PC exploiters have accrued. I don't see why CCP can't make like R*, who periodically purge the cheaters and explioiters in GTA V Online. Hell, CCP have done it before in Eve Online: Look up Operation 'Unholy Rage'. Admittedly, that was aimed at RMTers, but exploiting is exploiting, right? If Dust is ever going to integrate with Eve-O in any meaningful way, the exploiters have to be dealt with. There's no other way.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1845	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:44:00 - [26] - Quote I would rename the thread. Quote: How would you like to punish PC exploiters? Because imo that is the problem, it's been a problem when district locking was profitable and it's still a problem now with the blue donut and the reinforcement window at 12:00. I don't know what CCP has done with PC, they have said that should have been the "hardcore" game mode, but for how is designed now PC is FAILED game mode, district locking was a game mechanic exploit, blue donut is a player created exploit, nothing more nothing less. CCP need to swipe all the isk generated from PC, close it, add old corp battles. Then they have to rework it. District must be always open (2 hours notice before battles) Biomass must be generated and added to the district every hour (not a great amount of clones) No ringers policy or a heavy tax on ringers Plus all the EVE stuff related that was pretty good This is a "hardcore mode" not like the actual PC Sorry for the Off-topic but i think that these arguments are related. The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:00:00 - [27] - Quote Ok you can have my ISK if you give me 500,000 Aurum. I worked to Damn hard for mine, I have over 200 million and I earned mine without a corp and with any help what so ever. I hate to tell you this but this should not be aimed at the individual but at the system. The system is broke and needs to fixed, higher ISK payout per game is needed.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1406	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:21:00 - [28] - Quote You dont need to change anything in regards to ISK already earned. If you want to balance everything out then you change the amount of ISK that you CAN earn after the market is released. I had this example in another thread: Player X has 1 billion ISK Player Y has 1 million ISK If an average player can make 2 million ISK per day then the gap between the two players is 499.5 days Now, lets change the possible earnings per day to 20 million ISK. The gap has become 49.95 days In 100 days Player X will have 3 billion ISK Player Y will have 2 billion ISK There is still a bit of a gap for the work that Player X had previously put in but not enough that s/he completely overshadows Player Y. Problem solved. Canari Elphus for CPM1
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3015	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:22:00 - [29] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I would rename the thread. Quote: How would you like to punish PC exploiters? Because imo that is the problem, it's been a problem when district locking was profitable and it's still a problem now with the blue donut and the reinforcement window at 12:00. I don't know what CCP has done with PC, they have said that PC should have been the "hardcore" game mode, but for how is designed now PC is FAILED game mode, district locking was a game mechanic exploit, blue donut is a player created exploit, nothing more nothing less. CCP need to swipe all the isk generated from PC, close it, add old corp battles. Then they have to rework it. District must be always open (2 hours notice before battles) Biomass must be generated and added to the district every hour (not a great amount of clones) No ringers policy or a heavy tax on ringers Plus all the EVE stuff related that was pretty good This is a "hardcore mode" not like the actual PC Sorry for the Off-topic but i think that these arguments are related. Just add the eve side logistics and what you have stated is pretty much what I have been whining for ages about. Also, standings with eve/dust player corps would be nice. But we know that the average duster doesn't want any of that, game is doomed until further notice in my eyes. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The titanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
norttheantiv The Rainbow Effect 108	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:25:00 - [30] - Quote I don't think that an isk reset is a good idea at all. But maybe an algorithmic adjustment to market prices based on usage would be an interesting idea. Winner EU Squad Cup Go Go Power Rangers!



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