I kind of agree with the cloak being OP.

Nearly every match I'm in that's pretty much all that kills me no matter what suit I'm using: Proto scouts with proto cloaks and proto shotguns.

Now usually I don't post much and I post even less about OP stuff, but I think cloaks are just a little too common.

I have a cloaked logi that I like to use as a slightly hardened scout/medic combo and he is fun to use, but I'm not going and destroying everything in my path because I don't feel that a cloak should be used like that (which is why I put it on the logi in the first place).

It's not like anything huge needs to change but the main thing is to make the shimmer more noticeable on a lower resolution. I find the shimmer very difficult to see playing on low texture and graphical detail, especially when the framerate drops as it often does.

Another change I would make is to make it so the shimmer is incremental: moving slowly and carefully should be rewarded, whereas moving quickly should bring you to 50% visibility at least.

That's all, no QQ, just a bit tired of seeing so many cloaks be used to put scouts into the dominant power position.

I kind of agree with the cloak being OP.

Nearly every match I'm in that's pretty much all that kills me no matter what suit I'm using: Proto scouts with proto cloaks and proto shotguns.

Now usually I don't post much and I post even less about OP stuff, but I think cloaks are just a little too common.

I have a cloaked logi that I like to use as a slightly hardened scout/medic combo and he is fun to use, but I'm not going and destroying everything in my path because I don't feel that a cloak should be used like that (which is why I put it on the logi in the first place).

It's not like anything huge needs to change but the main thing is to make the shimmer more noticeable on a lower resolution. I find the shimmer very difficult to see playing on low texture and graphical detail, especially when the framerate drops as it often does.

Another change I would make is to make it so the shimmer is incremental: moving slowly and carefully should be rewarded, whereas moving quickly should bring you to 50% visibility at least.

That's all, no QQ, just a bit tired of seeing so many cloaks be used to put scouts into the dominant power position.

What are you talking about? Scouts are so UP even with cloaks.. and the times on cloaks are to short as well. I won't even get into the lack of HP you can fit on scouts now either.. really dude, wtf are you talking about?

Uh oh, somebody's I WIN button has been challenged.

Scouts are anything but UP, they beat any medium frame at almost everything hands down lol. The solution should be to buff the mediums but scouts are still running around not scouting and instead slaying.

If you want to scout, be a scout.

Scouts are anything but UP, they beat any medium frame at almost everything hands down lol. The solution should be to buff the mediums but scouts are still running around not scouting and instead slaying.

If you want to scout, be a scout.

I kind of agree with the cloak being OP.

Nearly every match I'm in that's pretty much all that kills me no matter what suit I'm using: Proto scouts with proto cloaks and proto shotguns.

Now usually I don't post much and I post even less about OP stuff, but I think cloaks are just a little too common.

I have a cloaked logi that I like to use as a slightly hardened scout/medic combo and he is fun to use, but I'm not going and destroying everything in my path because I don't feel that a cloak should be used like that (which is why I put it on the logi in the first place).

It's not like anything huge needs to change but the main thing is to make the shimmer more noticeable on a lower resolution. I find the shimmer very difficult to see playing on low texture and graphical detail, especially when the framerate drops as it often does.

Another change I would make is to make it so the shimmer is incremental: moving slowly and carefully should be rewarded, whereas moving quickly should bring you to 50% visibility at least.

That's all, no QQ, just a bit tired of seeing so many cloaks be used to put scouts into the dominant power position.

In the spirit of EVE cloaks should deactivate when in range of another merc (still a bit friendlier than the ship cloaks that will deactivate within 2500m of any object).

So have cloaks deactivate when in range of others and you will suddenly have to make cloakers run different routes rather than straight through people.

/c

Personally I think the only thing that needs to be changed with cloaks is to require MANUAL deactivation.
So you can't quick-swap to a weapon, or even open the weapon wheel while you are cloaked.

You have to manually press the decloak button on the neocom BEFORE you canmchange to a weapon.
Problem sorted, QQ will practically disapear over night.

Definitely worth doing. Would go a long way towards getting the cloak to a good place.

Sarcasm.. you should both look that up some time. I really can't see how you couldn't pick up on that.

Just to clear you know who both of you are.. that was to RINON114 and Operative 1171 Aajli. Didn't want you to miss that like you missed the sarcasm.

What are you talking about? Scouts are so UP even with cloaks.. and the times on cloaks are to short as well. I won't even get into the lack of HP you can fit on scouts now either.. really dude, wtf are you talking about?

I wonder... what kind of TV's do you people have? I'm using an HD TV, and I see scouts just fine, whether I'm playing as a scout, medium, or heavy suit, with any weapon that I'm comfortable with. I really don't get why people think they're OP. I don't know if there is a large varying difference in cloak visibility between TVs and settings. Personally, I have my brightness way up.

I kind of agree with the cloak being OP.

Nearly every match I'm in that's pretty much all that kills me no matter what suit I'm using: Proto scouts with proto cloaks and proto shotguns.

Now usually I don't post much and I post even less about OP stuff, but I think cloaks are just a little too common.

that is of course partly because of the lacklustre state of assaults - of course the reason many 'scouts' played specially fitted min-logis/assaults pre 1.8 was the lacklustre state of scouts...

I have a cloaked logi that I like to use as a slightly hardened scout/medic combo and he is fun to use, but I'm not going and destroying everything in my path because I don't feel that a cloak should be used like that (which is why I put it on the logi in the first place).

It's not like anything huge needs to change but the main thing is to make the shimmer more noticeable on a lower resolution. I find the shimmer very difficult to see playing on low texture and graphical detail, especially when the framerate drops as it often does.

can't argue against that - though whether CCP can manage it is another issues...

Another change I would make is to make it so the shimmer is incremental: moving slowly and carefully should be rewarded, whereas moving quickly should bring you to 50% visibility at least.

I agree in principle - crouch walking should be similar to standing still and sprinting should provide more shimmer. I personally Only have issues against certain backgrounds/lighting (I'm ok with this, it's just like attacking from the direction on the blinding sun - using terrain to your advantage etc.) when spotting scouts, but I'm not unsympathetic to those who genuinely find it difficult to keep track of cloaked targets - this one is tricky to get right however due to the overall relative nature of perception.


That's all, no QQ, just a bit tired of seeing so many cloaks be used to put scouts into the dominant power position.

I honestly believe it's the not all due to the direct power of cloaks themselves - it is still partly due to unappealing assaults as well as the 'new and shiny' elements of cloaks. Also - cloaks encourage a type of gameplay that many previous non-scouts probably didn't know was possible - And probably still don't realise is possible without cloaks.

My hatemail helps prove people always hated getting shot in the back by an enemy they had no idea was there. Despite the cloak QQ it is quite ironic that my only hatemail in 1.8 is from another scout - the rest are GGs etc.

In the spirit of EVE cloaks should deactivate when in range of another merc (still a bit friendlier than the ship cloaks that will deactivate within 2500m of any object).

So have cloaks deactivate when in range of others and you will suddenly have to make cloakers run different routes rather than straight through people.

/c

Sarcasm.. you should both look that up some time. I really can't see how you couldn't pick up on that.

Just to clear you know who both of you are.. that was to RINON114 and Operative 1171 Aajli. Didn't want you to miss that like you missed the sarcasm.

Scouts are anything but UP, they beat any medium frame at almost everything hands down lol. The solution should be to buff the mediums but scouts are still running around not scouting and instead slaying.

If you want to scout, be a scout.

First of all you are calling something OP without even using it in a proper suit...

Then you say it's not OP

Then you sort of call for a Nerf...

If you can't see it in lower resolution then how is it anyone's fault ?!

If you have a Logi, then use other Modules than the conventional Shield extenders and Armor plates... Then you'll see how easy it is to Find a Cloaked scout...

All people do here is whine... Go and try out some suit setups with proper modules please

What are you talking about? Scouts are so UP even with cloaks.. and the times on cloaks are to short as well. I won't even get into the lack of HP you can fit on scouts now either.. really dude, wtf are you talking about?

And how do you propose he find the Maxed out Gallente Scouts with 2 Complex Dampners? That's a trick question, because nothing and I mean nothing can scan them.

Buff Scanners, Increase Scouts Profile a few dB's

Until that happens, Scout- in particular the Gallente Scout=crutch. I don't care what anyone says, it is what it is.

+1 This idea has a lot going for it.

I've been spending time trying to come up with mechanics that promotes the cloak as a repositioning/avoidance tool but detract from it's camping ability - this 'decloak-via-proximity' mechanic kinda accomplishes that and in fact naturally promotes use of the cloak in its reposition/avoid role.

Would be tempted to set the proximity decloak range at ~8m.

In the spirit of EVE cloaks should deactivate when in range of another merc (still a bit friendlier than the ship cloaks that will deactivate within 2500m of any object).