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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 359	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:24:00 - [1] - Quote How afe they balanced? The CR seems better in every aspect the CR has more range but it is also great at close range. The CR also has higher dps than AR. CR has better damage profile. So my question is when is the AR better than the CR?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2437	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:25:00 - [2] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: How afe they balanced? The CR seems better in every aspect the CR has more range but it is also great at close range. The CR also has higher dps than AR. CR has better damage profile. So my question is when is the AR better than the CR? Don't you mean, when is the AR better than anything? For the Federation!
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 327	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:26:00 - [3] - Quote Gallente. Just sayin' >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director and the one-and-only Mr. Contradiction
Donwalis Carbon 7 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:28:00 - [4] - Quote when it's in the hands of a gallente scout,assault or heavies or commandos
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 402	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:36:00 - [5] - Quote CR is handicapped by button mashing, physically throwing off your aim (unless you're a turbo cheater). AR has full auto. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 359	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:37:00 - [6] - Quote I think ccp makes the old weapons obsolute on purpose so people will buy boosters to skill into the new weapons faster.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 897	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:03:00 - [7] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: CR is handicapped by button mashing, physically throwing off your aim (unless you're a turbo cheater). AR has full auto. Well tapping a button is not THAT hard and there is still the ACR...the full auto version
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4712	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:05:00 - [8] - Quote Well, people have to start using ARs again before we can tell. I would imagine the AR's clip longevity would give it an advantage in certain situations. I'm from the weird side of the internet
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 736	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:19:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Well, people have to start using ARs again before we can tell. I would imagine the AR's clip longevity would give it an advantage in certain situations. Ack, fine, I officially state I shall spec into the demon AR I haven't touched in a year now. There, one person will now use the thing, can we just agree it is still missing something. JK, I wouldn't do that, I swore it off so long ago, can't use it now. I will keep that single gun at level 1 while everything else is close to Proto (even the PLC). With the 3x cap next week, may just go ahead and finish off all the remaining LWs, HWs, and SAs, though my fitting screen will become really difficult then... Though, I feel that you are right, the AR clip always lasted longer (from my recollection) in terms of clip longevity. I burn thru a CR clip in no time flat, never felt that way with the AR. Is that a positive, no clue. All I know is, I'm still killed by ARs quite often, more than any other Rifle variant (probably because everyone and their mom specced them to the max early on). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1391	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:28:00 - [10] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: How are they balanced? The CR seems better in every aspect the CR has more range but it is also great at close range. The CR also has higher dps than AR. CR has better damage profile. So my question is when is the AR better than the CR? Just give the AR, the Scope... Not the thick iron sight... Problem solved...

Kaylee Veloc Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:36:00 - [11] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: How are they balanced? The CR seems better in every aspect the CR has more range but it is also great at close range. The CR also has higher dps than AR. CR has better damage profile. So my question is when is the AR better than the CR? When fps hits that low point and no matter how well you time your CR bursts it takes an eternity to fire the next? Balance through bugs o.O
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 518	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:37:00 - [12] - Quote Or just give the thing limitation's . It's good at long ranges and close ranges with no drop off , the closer you get the faster you die and the further you are you will die fast as well because of how fast the thing fires and the accuracy . Maybe reduce the accuracy of the thing if they are not going to give it a niche . Hip firing accuracy great . Long range accuracy great . CQC accuracy great . It's just the best all around weapon in the assault rifle category . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 191	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:06:00 - [13] - Quote Damage per clip is higher on AR G0DS AM0NG MEN Director 1.8 is going to be Heavy 514 they said... Looking around all I see are twig men
Myron Kundera The Generals General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:24:00 - [14] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: How are they balanced? The CR seems better in every aspect the CR has more range but it is also great at close range. The CR also has higher dps than AR. CR has better damage profile. So my question is when is the AR better than the CR? Never, CR eats shields just as fast as armor so, CR > AR. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:37:00 - [15] - Quote Dust doesnt have falloff ranges, hence winmatar weapons will always be better than not only their racial counterparts, but their intended role
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 185	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:55:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah, I agree--the AR is solid. I see more and more Duvolles and GEKs in the killfeed these days, and I've recently started running an advanced GEK on an advanced Cal assault to good effect. I think the main advantages of the AR are, as noted before by others, its lack of disadvantages as compared to almost all other weapons. Its shorter range as compared to the other rifles are noteworthy, but it does have the largest clip and ammo capacity, doesn't overheat, offers full-auto by default, doesn't have a charge delay (which negates burst fire and forces the user to keep their finger on the trigger after the charge), and it reloads very fast. Compared to other weapons generally (SGs, PCs, SRs, MDs, etc.), its versatility and adaptability is unmatched. IMO, it's a great choice for an assault fit. It won't usually win in a standoff against other rifle types outside its optimal range, but lure them in and the accuracy, ROF, and burst/full-auto versatility will shred them. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Yan Darn Science For Death 553	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:03:00 - [17] - Quote My lv1 CR outperforms prof/sharpshooter 2 in AR. At all ranges. I don't want to be a negative nancy or anything, but the AR kinda sucks. The Ghost of Bravo
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4657	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:09:00 - [18] - Quote Also, nobody shield tanks. The combat rifle will always be better no matter what as long as the majority of people armor tank. AR's are a little UP and need something but it's also not them sucking entirely. Almost everyone is fit to resist an AR. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 256	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:20:00 - [19] - Quote Don't worry there's already been talks from devs about the CR getting a nerf. Which means if you're using one you should worry :) I'm still loyal to my RR but would like to be able to run my BPO AR again at some point in time.
G Torq ALTA B2O 626	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote April 6th: 97.894 Combat Rifles 125.329 Assault Rifles Not saying either is better, but the players in general are so far preferring the Assault Rifle 1.28:1 Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3443	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:41:00 - [21] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Damage per clip is higher on AR Which is irrelevant when it takes twice as long to empty that clip.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 480	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:48:00 - [22] - Quote You used to be able to use that clip size to kill multiple people before reloading, but with the recent popularity of armor stacking and the last nerf I don't see that happening anymore, so let's just toss the AR on the pile of weapons CCP made useless. Like the flaylock. The AR is still popular with those that are new to the game and are advancing from the MLT AR, but other than that I don't see anyone using it. Personally I think the AR should just receive a plain 10% damage buff. Short range, high RoF, fierce DPS.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3723	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:55:00 - [23] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1971959#post1971959 Yeah G Torq wrote: April 6th: 97.894 Combat Rifles 125.329 Assault Rifles Not saying either is better, but the players in general are so far preferring the Assault Rifle 1.28:1 Militia Assault Rifles and blueberries. When Uprising Deployed nowhere near 97894 people were using the ScR. By comparison, the Combat Rifle use has accelerated greater than any weapon thus far except maybe bouts of MD spam.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 405	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:01:00 - [24] - Quote Right now, the RR beats everything else hands down. RR>ScR(on Amarr)>CR (no turbo)>AR...so I would agree that the AR could get a bit of a damage buff. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 371	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:04:00 - [25] - Quote The AR is mostly effective against shields but most people prefer armor plates. The AR does +10 dmg against shields but -10% against armor. CR does -5% shields and +10% armor. Why only -5% against shields? It should be -10% against shields to try to kerp balance between the two weapons.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2902	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:07:00 - [26] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Luk Manag wrote: CR is handicapped by button mashing, physically throwing off your aim (unless you're a turbo cheater). AR has full auto. Well tapping a button is not THAT hard and there is still the ACR...the full auto version Tapping does nothing for the Burst HMG. I am surprised they set the Combat Rifle up with a different mechanic than the Burst HMG. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2903	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:09:00 - [27] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: It's just the best all around weapon in the assault rifle category . I call it the Infantry Rifle category to avoid confusion. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 378	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:09:00 - [28] - Quote G Torq wrote: April 6th: 97.894 Combat Rifles 125.329 Assault Rifles Not saying either is better, but the players in general are so far preferring the Assault Rifle 1.28:1 What is this, kills per weapon? Also, where did you obtain this info? Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
G Torq ALTA B2O 626	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:10:00 - [29] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1971959#post1971959 Yeah G Torq wrote: April 6th: 97.894 Combat Rifles 125.329 Assault Rifles Not saying either is better, but the players in general are so far preferring the Assault Rifle 1.28:1 Militia Assault Rifles and blueberries. When Uprising Deployed nowhere near 97894 people were using the ScR. By comparison, the Combat Rifle use has accelerated greater than any weapon thus far except maybe bouts of MD spam. Militia AR is a fine weapon, and kills just nicely :) As for the weapon seeing the fastest uptake, that is by far the Rail Rifle. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2903	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:16:00 - [30] - Quote G Torq wrote: April 6th: 97.894 Combat Rifles 125.329 Assault Rifles Not saying either is better, but the players in general are so far preferring the Assault Rifle 1.28:1 Which rifle is on all the default starter fits? (Rhetorical question.) Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.



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