Reactives also received the biggest buff, they now have same Hp/s than actual Armor repper, and almost same ehp amount than a Ferroscale WITH the rep amount so....Speed penality was needed to bring balance between them, and 2% is well not a real factor ;)

Why it is hard to read ? Too compact ? Bad words ? I'm trying to get better so.....
Noooo This is your problem, you still think Dual tanking or "medium tanking" will use "Heavy plates", WRONG you must use Ferroscales or Reactives.
Heavy Plates is for Brick Tanking or Hard Tanking.

I applaud you sir, for putting together such a well thought out post. You're english isn't perfect but it's good enough to make sense and a hell of a lot better than many of the native speakers on this forum.

That said, I don't agree with everything you posted. I think basic plates just need their original speed penalties back (think it was 3%, 5%, 10% before) but not the repper penalty too. You're quite right that if you want that max HP from armour, you should get slowed the F down. That's the exact reason ferroscales were introduced in the first place. These changes would make them a viable choice again.

Currently, as a scout, I don't even look at them because the fittings costs are far too high. Do they really need to be so high when they already offer so much less protection than basic plates. And btw I'd call ferroscale plates the 'light plates' because no movement penalty. Reactives can be the mediums because they have a small penalty (I think 1%, 2%, 3% is fine for these but buff the HP just a little).

I look forward to reading your part 2 - repper tanking is something I've wanted to do for at least a year but currently even stacking 4 complex reppers is not a viable suit.

I didn't see any increased HP I think the numbers don't pop out enough on the thread and I miss them.

Brick wall of text

I'm sorry, that was too much writing, you have bored me; no Dopamine= no read.

You get +1

I don't think I agree with everything (might be some misunderstanding), but frankly at this point - someone willing to:

1) Accept there is a massive, huge problem with the current tank meta (not necessarily the suits that can abuse it).
2) willing to come up with sensible suggestions (not just nerfs).

Puts you like in the top 10% of intelligent posters. I hope to see more of this.

The speed penalties you propose are far too high for any fitting, which was the same reason no one used them long time ago and your proposed penalty to regen with it is going overboard even with you regen buff.

The reason Armor is being used so frequently is cause it's the only thing worth putting on and since anyone can benefit from using them everyone slaps 'em on. Same can be said for shields, it's not just a matter of Armor being OP, the biggest issue is that defensive modules are the only mods worth putting on. You're trying to fix a very complicated problem with far too simple solution, it's clear this thread was made to address tanked Scouts which have been around long before 1.8 and have only now become a problem.

Back on topic, I strongly disagree with your Heavy Armor idea but agree with you about buffing Reactives and Ferrors, but not Reps, your idea on reps would make shields irrelevant, crossing into their territory by repping too fast.

Armor plates were changed not long ago. Why keep messing with the same thing over and over. Instead buff shields a bit. This will also help increase TTK. As far as scouts, well they were buffed way too much on this last update. They should lose their side arm and/or lose a slot. No other suit has been buffed as much as the scout has at one time.

I disagree with penalties on reactive plates.
If were gonna fix it we need to do it right.
8 slot high/low maximum.
Rebalance all suits and layouts.
add resistance mods low
Change damage mods low. Break them down to four types instead of one blanket mod and put them back up to 10% to counter new built in suit resistances and resistance mods.
Speed mods high.
add e warfare.
ferroscale should give a percentage and if we do rep tanking triage nanohives need to get the axe and armor repair tools need to be remodeled and go to gallente and amarr.
a protod out gal suit should with a bunch of rep mods should achieve what a triage hive does. Rep tank means I need to be able to rep in battle and not have the amount be trivial.
Shields need to rep passively and that problems effectively fixed there.
Lignd heavy suits should have light and heavy armor mods and same for shields.
You can't put battleship/cruiser plates on a frigate. You can't put medium/heavy plates on a light suit. Problem solved.

Someone on the first page talked about how theres supposed to be thousands of fitting options.
That's impossible when there's no suit variety and no module variety which is why we new to eveify.
We should be working on eve parity first.

Simplifed your post to just numbers, and slightly altered some values to improve scaling. Also removed the level 5 bonus you applied so these are values at level 0. Applied this concept to shield tanking, and wrote a post about it.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154463

The first part (armor) of this thread is a simplified version of the post above. Values slightly modified to remove the level 5 bonus applied in his numbers, and to scale armor a little better. I do not take or want credit for his idea.

Heavy - Medium - Light HP tanking system
Heavy HP systems give a lot of HP but with a penalty
Medium HP systems give medium HP with no penalty
Light HP systems give a little bit of HP, a bonus, and a penalty

Armor plating:

Heavy Armour plates (Speed penalty plates)

Basic: 95/ -5% speed
Advanced: 120/ -6% speed
Complex: 145/ -7% speed

Nanofibre Armor plates (Ferroscale plates)

Basic: 44/ -0%
Advanced: 65/ -0%
Complex: 87/ -0%

Reactive plates (HP values not affected by armor plating skill, repair values are)

Basic: 42/ -2%/ 2 HP/s
Advanced: 62/ -3%/ 3 HP/s
Complex: 85/ -4%/ 5 HP/s

Armor repairers

Basic: 3
Advanced: 5
Complex: 7

Shield extension:

Heavy Shield extenders

Basic: 67/ 3% increased hitbox
Advanced: 84/ 4% increased hitbox
Complex: 101/ 5% increased hitbox

Medium Shield extenders

Basic: 34/ -0%
Advanced: 50/ -0%
Complex: 67/ -0%

Light Shield extenders (HP values unmodified by Shield extension skill, shield recharging skill lowers delay)
Basic: 32/ +1% increased hitbox/ -10% shield recharge delay
Advanced: 47/ +2% increased hitbox/ -15% shield recharge delay
Complex: 63/ +3% increased hitbox/ -20% shield recharge delay

Shield regulators (REMOVED)

Shield rechargers (Vanilla)

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Don't agree with lot of things inside.

@Mordecai - Didn't see the repper numbers the first time; I don't think it's enough, stacking 4 complex would only get you ~30hp/s. I'd go a little further; maybe not as far as I said in my post above but perhaps 3 / 6 / 9 before skills.

Which is the shields? I would like to know what. Gotta keep in mind there are heavy suits which use shields.

Don't agree with lot of things inside.
"Increasing hitbox" stupid. Means shooting next to him will hit ? That's WTF ????

Hp vlaues of Ferroscales are too big. (a little bit)

Hp values of Reactives is LOLWUT. SO MUCH HP SO MUCH REGEN SO NO PENALITY ?
Regen tanking is supposed to be PASSIVE. And the most important point of it : WAY less effective than Brick tanking for a direct encounter. You're bringing a gamebreaking way of tanking.

You seems to forget Skills on it. You ask to add 25% on THAT ? SERIOUSLY ????
It means a buff about 80% to ferroscales and reactives ....WTF?
Please remove your post dude. Or check again numbers.
Regen tanking is not meant to be god mode. 40hp/s needs to come with PENALITIES.

No penality about regen on heavy plate ? LOL WUT ? Welcome your 18hp/s with 500 armor.....
Dude seriously, armor rep and heavy plates must NOT be able to bem ixed without penalities.

Pretty much everything you said is a bad idea.
I'll give you resistance mods but we have too many low slot mods compared to high slots as is.
Speed mods high I'll take too.
Ewar already exists but we could definitely do with more.

The bad stuff:
All suits are being rebalanced - half of it was done for 1.8; the rest is incoming shortly.
Damage mods are ok now, maybe a wee buff - they were so strong before, they were more worthwhile than shields for the fittings cost.
Ferroscale should definitely not be % based. They're intended for people like scouts - % based would make them strongest for heavies. If anything was to be % based it would be the 'heavy plates' to discourage light suit use.
Reppers do need a buff but to make them that strong would invalidate shield recharge.
If shield recharge was passive, there'd be nothing to set it apart from armor repping.
This is Dust - we are all clones and we don't vary in size anywhere near as much as Eve ships. Whilst there are some good things in Eve that Dust should be trying to use itself, it must be remembered that this is NOT Eve and not everything translates across to an FPS well.

Dudes WAKE THE HELL UP.
50hp/s (or 40) is GOD MODE.
Have you ever see a Gallente Heavy on a Compact Nanohive ? He's barely invicible.
Even me i was Amarr Logi Full Regen tanking, 20hp/s i was damn ******* powerful negating half of the shots....

Guys you're clearly going TOO far.

The numbers of black is not totally ****, in fact only some penality here or there are really too low, but guys...regen tanking is about "time" distance or quick backstab, not a front.
Regen values are great ;) (Black)

But yours is well....a bit too big.

@Auris Lionesse - dude, I think you need to go back to Eve. This is an FPS. You're trying to add things to a fast paced shooter that only work in an environment where locking on is always necessary and it's slow enough to make calculations on everything you do.

Just because they're set in the same universe and share lore, it doesn't mean the mechanics are suitable for an entirely different genre of game.

Certain people say oh that doesn't work but they can never seem to explain exactly why.
And your right lol I wish I could go back to eve. It doesn't look like garbage or have balancing issues or feel completely unfinished.