DUST Search - Changing the Armor Plate system and more.

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

@auris - Dust can not be as complex as Eve because it's a different genre on a different platform with a different business model.

Free2Play has to be accessible because it relies on getting as many people to play as possible. This is already probably past the point of complexity that the general populace will be able to handle and making it worse will just be a massive "no entry" sign to anyone who is not already familiar with Eve and we already struggle for new players as it is.

Lmao because we already have so many people lining up to play.
We need to switch to a subscription model too but that's at a later point when this game has some quality to it.
Free to play isn't working. 80 million ps3s and we have 10k active users tops.
Not catering to casual gamers is one if things that makes eve great and is why we have a good community.
Non familiarity with eve is a big problem with npe. We need to make character creation more indepth and teach them how the game is supposed to work. the tutorial now is way too simple also
This is why new players to the game suck and have no idea what they're doing.
Blueberrys are idiots because things are too simple and dumbed down.

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Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 711	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:30:00 - [61] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Certain people say oh that doesn't work but they can never seem to explain exactly why. And your right lol I wish I could go back to eve. It doesn't look like garbage or have balancing issues or feel completely unfinished. I'll gladly explain why - it's too complicated for FPS gameplay. So, if this game is so bad, why are you playing it? Why don't you go back to Eve because that's clearly the game you want to be playing? Again your assuming it's too complicated for an fps. My argument is this game isn't complicated enough to be an fps in new Eden. All we know for sure is what ccp shanghai is doing doesn't work, you can't dumb down a game like eve online or fps. You have to do all or nothing because it doesn't work otherwise. which we see in balance and things like damage mods. it works when all the parts are present and worming together. You can't cut half of them out and say oh well it's an fps. I'm not currently playing dust. I havent for weeks, no Internet and even if I had it I wouldn't play dust anymore anyway because it's too far gone from 2009. I'm sticking around the forums till fanfest hoping for some last ditch radical changes to get this ame back on track and some sort of apology from ccp shanghai. I'm suggesting some myself in the mean time but if I don't see any I'm done. And I don't have a pc for eve. If I did I'd be there now because dust is a disgrace to the eve name. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 124	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:46:00 - [62] - Quote Very nice. My singular concern is that if you buff reppers that much you'll have some people that run heavies (Amarr & Gallente I'm thinking) with half plates, half reppers and will have CRAZY armor regen on top of very large HP pools. Not sure if it woud be bad enough to be considered OP, but it would certainly be rough to fight them. Especially for a squishy lil Minmatar Commando like me Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift bro?
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2819	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:02:00 - [63] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Very nice. My singular concern is that if you buff reppers that much you'll have some people that run heavies (Amarr & Gallente I'm thinking) with half plates, half reppers and will have CRAZY armor regen on top of very large HP pools. Not sure if it woud be bad enough to be considered OP, but it would certainly be rough to fight them. Especially for a squishy lil Minmatar Commando like me ~20hp/s isn't that crazy and only accounts for about 5% of the DPS of many weapons. Rep tools and triage hives are still going to be waaaay more powerful and the only way to stay alive under any sustained fire. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2819	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:08:00 - [64] - Quote @auris - Dust can not be as complex as Eve because it's a different genre on a different platform with a different business model. Free2Play has to be accessible because it relies on getting as many people to play as possible. This is already probably past the point of complexity that the general populace will be able to handle and making it worse will just be a massive "no entry" sign to anyone who is not already familiar with Eve and we already struggle for new players as it is. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 124	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:26:00 - [65] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Very nice. My singular concern is that if you buff reppers that much you'll have some people that run heavies (Amarr & Gallente I'm thinking) with half plates, half reppers and will have CRAZY armor regen on top of very large HP pools. Not sure if it woud be bad enough to be considered OP, but it would certainly be rough to fight them. Especially for a squishy lil Minmatar Commando like me ~20hp/s isn't that crazy and only accounts for about 5% of the DPS of many weapons. Rep tools and triage hives are still going to be waaaay more powerful and the only way to stay alive under any sustained fire. That's true, but for hit-and-fade attackers it will be extremely powerful. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift bro?
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 711	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:28:00 - [66] - Quote Django Quik wrote: @auris - Dust can not be as complex as Eve because it's a different genre on a different platform with a different business model. Free2Play has to be accessible because it relies on getting as many people to play as possible. This is already probably past the point of complexity that the general populace will be able to handle and making it worse will just be a massive "no entry" sign to anyone who is not already familiar with Eve and we already struggle for new players as it is. Lmao because we already have so many people lining up to play. We need to switch to a subscription model too but that's at a later point when this game has some quality to it. Free to play isn't working. 80 million ps3s and we have 10k active users tops. Not catering to casual gamers is one if things that makes eve great and is why we have a good community. Non familiarity with eve is a big problem with npe. We need to make character creation more indepth and teach them how the game is supposed to work. the tutorial now is way too simple also This is why new players to the game suck and have no idea what they're doing. Blueberrys are idiots because things are too simple and dumbed down. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2825	Posted - 2014.04.10 07:29:00 - [67] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Django Quik wrote: @auris - Dust can not be as complex as Eve because it's a different genre on a different platform with a different business model. Free2Play has to be accessible because it relies on getting as many people to play as possible. This is already probably past the point of complexity that the general populace will be able to handle and making it worse will just be a massive "no entry" sign to anyone who is not already familiar with Eve and we already struggle for new players as it is. Lmao because we already have so many people lining up to play. We need to switch to a subscription model too but that's at a later point when this game has some quality to it. Free to play isn't working. 80 million ps3s and we have 10k active users tops. Not catering to casual gamers is one if things that makes eve great and is why we have a good community. Non familiarity with eve is a big problem with npe. We need to make character creation more indepth and teach them how the game is supposed to work. the tutorial now is way too simple also This is why new players to the game suck and have no idea what they're doing. Blueberrys are idiots because things are too simple and dumbed down. No, we don't have many players and that would be even worse if you tried to put a subscription only game on a console. The only reason we get any new players at all is because it's free. But we do have a lot more than 10k DAU, probably upwards of 20k, though still an unacceptably low amount. Yes, the tutorial is terrible and NPE is non-existent but that would not be helped at all by further complicating the game. Once again, this is an FPS not a space sim game. FPSs rely on a more casual playerbase than space sims - not to say it should be entirely based around casual play but it NEEDS to be a consideration. Some things will never work in Dust. Case in point active infantry armor repair - if you're into armor damage, given your opponent can actually aim and you're not a master bullet dodger, you're probably going to be dead in less than 2 seconds. During that time you're moving around trying to dodge and fire back - this requires all your fingers. At what point are you ever going to be able to press the right button combination to open the equipment wheel and activate your reppers? Just an example of why an FPS is too fast for some Eve concepts. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 602	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:07:00 - [68] - Quote Bump.


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