Yeah, you sound like one of those scouts that just plain suck at it.

Okay, we can debate the PG of the suit for days......

But lets all agree, Kincats are WAY too much PG per module.

Extenders too.

Yup,

Why the **** are you using a Proto suit? When the PG concerns at at the advanced tier?

You say there are no PG issues, then show the wrong suit. Are you ******* serious? There's no issue with this because you've shown me something else. Great.

Try using an advanced fitting, or any of your builds and compare it to the other suits at advanced. They simply don't stack up, its close but due to NK (not all racial NK are released) not having a PG reduction skill, and the suit lacking maybe 1-2 more base PG, the suit is the worst at advanced.

The problem isn't at prototype, where you should be rocking two damps + kin cat. But at advanced where there is a 3-2 layout, its impossible to do what is asked of the suit or required to be successful. Whether they switch the slot layout to 2-3 at advanced or the suit will continue to lag behind. There is no doubt NK is more difficult than using another weapon because it requires to get into melee range, so speed and stealth are essential. This simply cannot happen given the two lows at advance tier. At prototype the suit stacks up in acceptable range.

Edit: its worth it to run two damps, staying off radar is the goal of an assassin. You don't want to be passively scanned ever, and since CCP is going to lower the damp on cloaks (it really looks like it) then it's nearly mandatory in order to stay off radar completely.

Also, try using a dif weapon than SG/CR with NK. Its very difficult. Which is also a drawback, but then again if you're not using NK whats the point of the suit?

Quick question, in your humble opinions ( or not ) is the M-1 scout a viable suit to use as a hack & fade for the outside objective for a starter in the scout field ??

No Cal scouts rarely use precision mods, so you will be invisible to them ,and if they are armor tanking you will be able to scan them

seriously, everytime those "clever" glass scouts try to shotgun my brick tanked suits I take the hit in the face like a man, turn around and drop them under a second with whatever weapon I am currently wielding.

I have about 15 different CalScout fits (STD + ADV with varying combinations of range amps, kincats, and ferroscale plates) because I just skilled into it (at L4, soon to be L5 next week) and am playing around with which one best suits my style.

Every single one has a single precision enhancer. Every single one. Why? Because the *only* reason I specced into Caldari scout (already have L5 GalScout) is because I want to see uncloaked GalScouts as well. I can already see everything else that isn't using dampeners.

You will not be invisible to cal scouts unless you run gal Scout. And even then, you will not be invisible if the cal scout uses a single precision enhancer.


TL;DR

min scouts can be seen by cal scouts without the cal scout even needing a precision mod.

I would really like to fit a code breaker bit I think this is a nogo for the minmatar scout, it is too fitting intensive.

I also cannot get a fit I like without atleast one fitting mod on it. a fit that worked for me:
3x proto extenders
proto novas
proto combat rifle
proto flux
2 proto damps
basic CPU upgrade
proto cloak
proto remotes

no offense bro but precision enhancers kind of suck in comparison to the Ewar other modules , dampeners , and the cloak bonus make it really easy even for my minmatar to avoid cal scans

You should try to play with a cal scout in your team with 2 precision enhancers and 2 Radius amplifier.

I do not agree at all. I've been running this scout suit as my primary suit since 1.8 and it boils down to survivability.


3 complex shield, 2 basic plates, and a profile dampener.

Your weapon should be a combat rifle due to the pg fittings being less than the other weapons. Can't for a rail rifle on here. Sidearm should be either a smg or the nova knives. Nova knives only if you're just having fun, but not for actual play as getting close to anything is dumb without the shotgun. If you want really close combat then get the shotgun.

I average 20+ kills a match with minimum deaths, 0-3 a match. Anyone who knows me knows I'm horrible at gun game, but this suit setup is my krutch lol...

that's what its made for :D

take off proto cloak the adv one works fine and swith cpu for codebreaker

don't get me wrong cal scouts can pick up un dampened or poorly dampened scouts and are still pretty viable but its really easy to be completely unscannable

I suppose I asked for that :/

My issue is if I fit the cloak it leaves me with little room ( in PG CPU ) to get anything else on. I only have lvl 1 in min scouts. I think I can get comp damper, basic code breaker, basic cloak, Smg and not a lot else. Made of duct tape and old amarrian robes. I can ditch the cloak to put a comp kin kat on.

I am only trying it out to see if I like it and was wondering if I am on the right track

don't get me wrong cal scouts can pick up un dampened or poorly dampened scouts and are still pretty viable but its really easy to be completely unscannable

your forgeting to add cloak -25%

My maths disagrees..maybe it's wrong, but I don't think so. Check the following (assumes all skills maxed):

CalScout scan precision (in dBs)
PE x0 : 27
PE x1 : 21.6
PE x2: 17.85

Minmatar / Amarr / Caldari scout scan profile
PD x0 : 31.5
PD x1 : 23.63
PD x2 : 18.49

Gal scout scan profile
PD x0 : 23.625
PD x1 : 17.72
PD x2 : 13.87

your forgeting to add cloak -25%