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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Bormir1r wrote:
You still get caught by cal scouts...and gal scouts as I said before do them better.
No Cal scouts rarely use precision mods, so you will be invisible to them ,and if they are armor tanking you will be able to scan them
I have about 15 different CalScout fits (STD + ADV with varying combinations of range amps, kincats, and ferroscale plates) because I just skilled into it (at L4, soon to be L5 next week) and am playing around with which one best suits my style.
Every single one has a single precision enhancer. Every single one. Why? Because the *only* reason I specced into Caldari scout (already have L5 GalScout) is because I want to see uncloaked GalScouts as well. I can already see everything else that isn't using dampeners.
You will not be invisible to cal scouts unless you run gal Scout. And even then, you will not be invisible if the cal scout uses a single precision enhancer.
TL;DR
min scouts can be seen by cal scouts without the cal scout even needing a precision mod.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:
no offense bro but precision enhancers kind of suck in comparison to the Ewar other modules , dampeners , and the cloak bonus make it really easy even for my minmatar to avoid cal scans
You should try to play with a cal scout in your team with 2 precision enhancers and 2 Radius amplifier. don't get me wrong cal scouts can pick up un dampened or poorly dampened scouts and are still pretty viable but its really easy to be completely unscannable
My maths disagrees..maybe it's wrong, but I don't think so. Check the following (assumes all skills maxed):
CalScout scan precision (in dBs)
PE x0 : 27
PE x1 : 21.6
PE x2: 17.85
Minmatar / Amarr / Caldari scout scan profile
PD x0 : 31.5
PD x1 : 23.63
PD x2 : 18.49
Gal scout scan profile
PD x0 : 23.625
PD x1 : 17.72
PD x2 : 13.87
For non-gal scouts, they are scannable by cal scout. For every dampener you fit, I can match it and always beat you. At proto, I have 4 slots for enhancers. No suit has more slots for dampeners, so it's tit-for-tat all the way, and I always win if I match your ewar modules.
For Gal scout, the inverse is true. For every enhancer I fit, you can win by matching it with a dampener.
Cloaks equates to an extra dampener, but it doesn't perma-run and if I've seen you, I know you're there. I switch my suit based on the threat I'm facing, forcing you to fit dampeners if you want to remain undetected. Cal scout is the natural counter to all scouts.
Either way, your point is about min scouts. They cannot hide from cal scout. Precision enhancers are the direct counter to dampeners. They are no less useful, and you fit what you need to combat a specific threat. If you're running around in a dampened minnie scout, I don't have much trouble countering you with the equivalent counter-fit.
Hawkings Greenback wrote:
I suppose I asked for that :/
My issue is if I fit the cloak it leaves me with little room ( in PG CPU ) to get anything else on. I only have lvl 1 in min scouts. I think I can get comp damper, basic code breaker, basic cloak, Smg and not a lot else. Made of duct tape and old amarrian robes. I can ditch the cloak to put a comp kin kat on.
I am only trying it out to see if I like it and was wondering if I am on the right track
I believe you are, but unfortunately the end of the track you're on lies with level 5 in your racial scout choice. Then cloaks are pretty easy to fit (even on STD).
TL;DR
Minmatar scout cannot hide from Caldari scout when all else is equal.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.04.25 22:36:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:pagl1u M wrote:[quote=Tyjus Vacca]
no offense bro but precision enhancers kind of suck in comparison to the Ewar other modules , dampeners , and the cloak bonus make it really easy even for my minmatar to avoid cal scans You should try to play with a cal scout in your team with 2 precision enhancers and 2 Radius amplifier. don't get me wrong cal scouts can pick up un dampened or poorly dampened scouts and are still pretty viable but its really easy to be completely unscannable My maths disagrees..maybe it's wrong, but I don't think so. Check the following (assumes all skills maxed): CalScout scan precision (in dBs) PE x0 : 27 PE x1 : 21.6 PE x2: 17.85 Minmatar / Amarr / Caldari scout scan profile PD x0 : 31.5 PD x1 : 23.63 PD x2 : 18.49 Gal scout scan profile PD x0 : 23.625 PD x1 : 17.72 PD x2 : 13.87 your forgeting to add cloak -25%
No I did not forget, if you read the rest of my post, you would see I account for the cloak and accept it has a limited dampening increase. You can't stay cloaked though dude, and you can't fire a gun whilst you are. Patience is a virtue, and you appear to be deliberately avoiding the point. The figures do not lie. Accept that you are forced to fit ewar modules if I do.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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