DUST Search - Why are kb/m Users being ignored ? and their threads locked?

DTOracle wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

zzZaXxx wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Beld Errmon wrote:

Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct.

Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use....

Just saying.

Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us.

Im 28.
I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo.
I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all...

BUT OK.

ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them...

If my posts above haven't made it obvious. Removing Kb/M support will not stop people who prefer to use a mouse. The mouse doesn't let you insta aim, that's called Aim Assist. The mouse is simply a more intuitive input method for aiming, period. While the analog sticks are less than ideal, but easy to use while sitting on the couch. I haven't used a DS3 for FPS' on console in at least 6 years, why start now?

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Beld Errmon 1548	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 405	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote inb4 lock Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote CCP is a mean and cruel mistress, there is nothing we can do :c G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1921	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. It's a fair question and deserves an answer. A lot of peeps have invested time and effort in those discussions. I support SP rollover.
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 118	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:17:00 - [6] - Quote FFS, you're playing a Playstation 3. Get a damn controller and quit crying. There's no obligation to even let the keyboard and mouse work at all, so be glad it does you degenerate. Stupid people.
Beld Errmon 1552	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:20:00 - [7] - Quote I have zero intention of arguing with the "its a console game" crowd, you are short sighted fools. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 618	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:28:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I have zero intention of arguing with the "its a console game" crowd, you are short sighted fools. No, if CCP is unable to implement limits to make a keyboard and mouse not any better than a controller can be in terms of faster rotation or faster movement while making a controller no better than a keyboard and mouse then one of three things needs to happen Give controller users more options when it comes to tracking speed Limit mouse tracking speed but give mouse users raw input again (Screw that mouse acceleration crap) Drop keyboard and mouse support entirely except for typing in chat. Currently, despite the stupid mouse acceleration, the mouse is still much better as it does allow you to rotate faster as infantry which is huge right now when nearly anyone can just sneak up on you with a shotgun or HMG and ruin your day. Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote keyboards and mouses are gay, go play PC games nerd But boss, we can already see his bing bong, and his habby flabby babby.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7824	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote Come back when you have a 200+ page threadnaught with no dev reply on scouts pre-1.8. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 287	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us.
Beld Errmon 1552	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:32:00 - [12] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: keyboards and mouses are gay, go play PC games nerd what an intelligent contribution, you know when you're a player in colon lube you probably shouldn't throw the word gay around too much. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 705	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:33:00 - [13] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote If you really want to use a KB/M in Dust then get a XIM. Native support has only gotten worse with each 'fix'. Do yourself a favor, AA with a mouse is excellent. @Kingcheckmate, CCP announced & implemented native KB/M support for DUST. Why shouldn't someone who has been playing FPS' for over a decade with a KB/M, continue to do so? I have said it before, people like me will ALWAYS use a mouse when playing FPS', console be damned. The fact that CCP gave us native support was a plus for everyone(CCP has total control, IE no AA). But since CCP has consistently ruined KB/M controls over multiple updates, I have long since switched back to an old Tuact mouse controller(which is in all ways cheaper & crappier than my RAT7). & to say it works better is an understatement.
Beld Errmon 1553	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:52:00 - [15] - Quote The horse has bolted on the question on whether the game should have KB/M or not, the issue is that its supported poorly with a terrible mouse emulator and artificial constraints when none are required, in the golden age builds for KB/M the game was still dominated by players using the DS3, since the terrible changes good kb/m players have become below average players and the average players have given up altogether. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. Then explain why it has consistently gotten worse since it was implemented? Kb/M support was never perfect in Dust, but at least it was a viable option in the past. All we want is raw input, no AA, no fluff, no frills. But until then I will continue to use a mouse anyway & take advantage of all the perks DS3 users get.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2604	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:02:00 - [17] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. If CCP want to enable the use of another control scheme, they'd better do it right. I hear Move also has issues, not that I even own one... (I use ds3) ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:02:00 - [18] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Beld Errmon 1554	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... oh congrats dude you're in the exclusive club of just about everyone, you owned a super nintendo golf clap And please a keyboard and mouse is cheaper than the over priced toddler rattle you're to claim victim status for, would you be making the same argument if this were an online racing game, would you continue to assert that steering wheels shouldn't be supported because not everyone can shell out 200 bucks for one? You should spend less time messing around with text styles and more on constructing an argument that makes sense. edit Cheapest KB/M set 15 bucks - Cheapest DS3 controller (genuine) I can find 72 bucks. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:17:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... If my posts above haven't made it obvious. Removing Kb/M support will not stop people who prefer to use a mouse. The mouse doesn't let you insta aim, that's called Aim Assist. The mouse is simply a more intuitive input method for aiming, period. While the analog sticks are less than ideal, but easy to use while sitting on the couch. I haven't used a DS3 for FPS' on console in at least 6 years, why start now?

nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 229	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:20:00 - [21] - Quote it's really annoying how the cursor pulls in one direction at random. I also want to know why we're being ignored The Jove Espier --- YoutubeChannel--> NakaNakaNaka
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 119	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote DTOracle wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... If my posts above haven't made it obvious. Removing Kb/M support will not stop people who prefer to use a mouse. The mouse doesn't let you insta aim, that's called Aim Assist. The mouse is simply a more intuitive input method for aiming, period. While the analog sticks are less than ideal, but easy to use while sitting on the couch. I haven't used a DS3 for FPS' on console in at least 6 years, why start now? Then don't play Dust and quit your crying.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:37:00 - [23] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You should spend less time messing around with text styles and more on constructing an argument that makes sense. * NOT NEEDED. Im here to express my opinion, which is, playing with a mouse is EZ mode. And i dont care if you guys are ''suffering'' from lack of attention from CCP. thats all Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 358	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:38:00 - [24] - Quote That is because KB/M has NO PLACE on a console. The control styles and advantages cannot be balanced in addition to the content. "Mind is the Only reality, of which all other natures are better or worse reflections.GÇ¥ RWE
Beld Errmon 1560	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:02:00 - [25] - Quote mouse users took our jerbs! Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers 561	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:02:00 - [26] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: That is because KB/M has NO PLACE on a console. The control styles and advantages cannot be balanced in addition to the content. Why doesn't it have a place? Did someone break the USB ports on your PS3? Did someone hack your PS3 and disable the native mouse support? How is it fair to "balance" two control schemes? Let the human interact with the device, and let the device determine the action. The alternatives are to artificially impair the mouse (as it currently is) and to artificially enhance the DS3 (which it currently is). That is unacceptable for any truly competitive game.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 479	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:06:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. What a wild opinion. I cant speak for every mouse and keyboard player, but I know there are a lot of us who came to DUST from eve. It was asked a very long time ago if KB/M would be supported and CCP were only too happy to state that they would make sure the KB/M was a viable control method. I understand there are balance concerns within the community about the KB/M vs DS3 however can people please just step back a second and realise that many of the KB/M players just want a comfortable reliable control method when using the KB/M. We dont want some 'god mode' we dont want stupidly unfair advantages we just want something that works. It cannot be hard to fix a few of the bugs and 'messy' controls. Many of them are just quality of life improvements such as the spawn screen navigation being very clunky on KB/M. (One of the many)
Roxas Shin Hikaru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:08:00 - [28] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: CCP is a mean and cruel mistress, there is nothing we can do :c A mistress who you later fine out is a mister and no number of salt baths will cleanse you of your shame. Medics have a role in the battlefield TOO, you know.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4860	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:18:00 - [29] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. What a wild opinion. I cant speak for every mouse and keyboard player, but I know there are a lot of us who came to DUST from eve. It was asked a very long time ago if KB/M would be supported and CCP were only too happy to state that they would make sure the KB/M was a viable control method. I understand there are balance concerns within the community about the KB/M vs DS3 however can people please just step back a second and realise that many of the KB/M players just want a comfortable reliable control method when using the KB/M. We dont want some 'god mode' we dont want stupidly unfair advantages we just want something that works. It cannot be hard to fix a few of the bugs and 'messy' controls. Many of them are just quality of life improvements such as the spawn screen navigation being very clunky on KB/M. (One of the many) Your response is valid and reasonable so i will TRY and respond like wise. Even if your original intention WASNT to get an advantage over other players, doesnt mean you dont have one... I have a friend who plays BF3 & 4 with K&M and once i asked him to lend it to me , I was getting games of 40-3 / 50- 6 / 35 -3 with no effort. Mind you , this was with a STD Scrambler rifle the SAME day it came out, and i had a K-D ratio of 1.18 ATM.... So after this experience, my good friend asked me if i wanted to borrow one of his KBM Sets since he had like 5. And i said that no, i dont need an unfair advantage to enjoy a game. BUT IT DOES annoy me when im playing and someone just 360 me and scores a head shot in less than a second for example. Overall, my disapproval for KBM is based on my own experience on using it, not just random whining... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Aurra Field Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 57	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:21:00 - [30] - Quote I highly doubt KB/M will ever be 'fixed'. The control scheme has to be intentionally handicapped in order to keep controllers (which are the majority) competitive. If you're absolutely dead-set on using a KB/M in this game, shell out the cash for a hardware controller emulator like a XIM3 or Eagle Eye. The game will not enforce all the mouse penalties since it'll think you're using a controller. You'll even get the hilariously overpowered bullet magnetism on top of your pin-point accuracy.



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