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Beld Errmon 1548	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 405	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote inb4 lock Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote CCP is a mean and cruel mistress, there is nothing we can do :c G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1921	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. It's a fair question and deserves an answer. A lot of peeps have invested time and effort in those discussions. I support SP rollover.
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 118	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:17:00 - [6] - Quote FFS, you're playing a Playstation 3. Get a damn controller and quit crying. There's no obligation to even let the keyboard and mouse work at all, so be glad it does you degenerate. Stupid people.
Beld Errmon 1552	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:20:00 - [7] - Quote I have zero intention of arguing with the "its a console game" crowd, you are short sighted fools. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 618	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:28:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I have zero intention of arguing with the "its a console game" crowd, you are short sighted fools. No, if CCP is unable to implement limits to make a keyboard and mouse not any better than a controller can be in terms of faster rotation or faster movement while making a controller no better than a keyboard and mouse then one of three things needs to happen Give controller users more options when it comes to tracking speed Limit mouse tracking speed but give mouse users raw input again (Screw that mouse acceleration crap) Drop keyboard and mouse support entirely except for typing in chat. Currently, despite the stupid mouse acceleration, the mouse is still much better as it does allow you to rotate faster as infantry which is huge right now when nearly anyone can just sneak up on you with a shotgun or HMG and ruin your day. Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote keyboards and mouses are gay, go play PC games nerd But boss, we can already see his bing bong, and his habby flabby babby.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7824	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote Come back when you have a 200+ page threadnaught with no dev reply on scouts pre-1.8. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 287	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us.
Beld Errmon 1552	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:32:00 - [12] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: keyboards and mouses are gay, go play PC games nerd what an intelligent contribution, you know when you're a player in colon lube you probably shouldn't throw the word gay around too much. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 705	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:33:00 - [13] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote If you really want to use a KB/M in Dust then get a XIM. Native support has only gotten worse with each 'fix'. Do yourself a favor, AA with a mouse is excellent. @Kingcheckmate, CCP announced & implemented native KB/M support for DUST. Why shouldn't someone who has been playing FPS' for over a decade with a KB/M, continue to do so? I have said it before, people like me will ALWAYS use a mouse when playing FPS', console be damned. The fact that CCP gave us native support was a plus for everyone(CCP has total control, IE no AA). But since CCP has consistently ruined KB/M controls over multiple updates, I have long since switched back to an old Tuact mouse controller(which is in all ways cheaper & crappier than my RAT7). & to say it works better is an understatement.
Beld Errmon 1553	Posted - 2014.04.06 00:52:00 - [15] - Quote The horse has bolted on the question on whether the game should have KB/M or not, the issue is that its supported poorly with a terrible mouse emulator and artificial constraints when none are required, in the golden age builds for KB/M the game was still dominated by players using the DS3, since the terrible changes good kb/m players have become below average players and the average players have given up altogether. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. Then explain why it has consistently gotten worse since it was implemented? Kb/M support was never perfect in Dust, but at least it was a viable option in the past. All we want is raw input, no AA, no fluff, no frills. But until then I will continue to use a mouse anyway & take advantage of all the perks DS3 users get.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2604	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:02:00 - [17] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You're trying to make an argument about a SECONDARY method of input. Frankly that you can use the mouse and keyboard at all is a large gratuity for you. :/ You know the phrase: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."? That's basically what you're doing. If CCP want to enable the use of another control scheme, they'd better do it right. I hear Move also has issues, not that I even own one... (I use ds3) ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:02:00 - [18] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Beld Errmon 1554	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... oh congrats dude you're in the exclusive club of just about everyone, you owned a super nintendo golf clap And please a keyboard and mouse is cheaper than the over priced toddler rattle you're to claim victim status for, would you be making the same argument if this were an online racing game, would you continue to assert that steering wheels shouldn't be supported because not everyone can shell out 200 bucks for one? You should spend less time messing around with text styles and more on constructing an argument that makes sense. edit Cheapest KB/M set 15 bucks - Cheapest DS3 controller (genuine) I can find 72 bucks. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 268	Posted - 2014.04.06 01:17:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... If my posts above haven't made it obvious. Removing Kb/M support will not stop people who prefer to use a mouse. The mouse doesn't let you insta aim, that's called Aim Assist. The mouse is simply a more intuitive input method for aiming, period. While the analog sticks are less than ideal, but easy to use while sitting on the couch. I haven't used a DS3 for FPS' on console in at least 6 years, why start now?

nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 229	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:20:00 - [21] - Quote it's really annoying how the cursor pulls in one direction at random. I also want to know why we're being ignored The Jove Espier --- YoutubeChannel--> NakaNakaNaka
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 119	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote DTOracle wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players have just because they have the $ to buy them... If my posts above haven't made it obvious. Removing Kb/M support will not stop people who prefer to use a mouse. The mouse doesn't let you insta aim, that's called Aim Assist. The mouse is simply a more intuitive input method for aiming, period. While the analog sticks are less than ideal, but easy to use while sitting on the couch. I haven't used a DS3 for FPS' on console in at least 6 years, why start now? Then don't play Dust and quit your crying.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4859	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:37:00 - [23] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You should spend less time messing around with text styles and more on constructing an argument that makes sense. * NOT NEEDED. Im here to express my opinion, which is, playing with a mouse is EZ mode. And i dont care if you guys are ''suffering'' from lack of attention from CCP. thats all Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 358	Posted - 2014.04.06 02:38:00 - [24] - Quote That is because KB/M has NO PLACE on a console. The control styles and advantages cannot be balanced in addition to the content. "Mind is the Only reality, of which all other natures are better or worse reflections.GÇ¥ RWE
Beld Errmon 1560	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:02:00 - [25] - Quote mouse users took our jerbs! Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers 561	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:02:00 - [26] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: That is because KB/M has NO PLACE on a console. The control styles and advantages cannot be balanced in addition to the content. Why doesn't it have a place? Did someone break the USB ports on your PS3? Did someone hack your PS3 and disable the native mouse support? How is it fair to "balance" two control schemes? Let the human interact with the device, and let the device determine the action. The alternatives are to artificially impair the mouse (as it currently is) and to artificially enhance the DS3 (which it currently is). That is unacceptable for any truly competitive game.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 479	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:06:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. What a wild opinion. I cant speak for every mouse and keyboard player, but I know there are a lot of us who came to DUST from eve. It was asked a very long time ago if KB/M would be supported and CCP were only too happy to state that they would make sure the KB/M was a viable control method. I understand there are balance concerns within the community about the KB/M vs DS3 however can people please just step back a second and realise that many of the KB/M players just want a comfortable reliable control method when using the KB/M. We dont want some 'god mode' we dont want stupidly unfair advantages we just want something that works. It cannot be hard to fix a few of the bugs and 'messy' controls. Many of them are just quality of life improvements such as the spawn screen navigation being very clunky on KB/M. (One of the many)
Roxas Shin Hikaru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:08:00 - [28] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: CCP is a mean and cruel mistress, there is nothing we can do :c A mistress who you later fine out is a mister and no number of salt baths will cleanse you of your shame. Medics have a role in the battlefield TOO, you know.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4860	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:18:00 - [29] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. What a wild opinion. I cant speak for every mouse and keyboard player, but I know there are a lot of us who came to DUST from eve. It was asked a very long time ago if KB/M would be supported and CCP were only too happy to state that they would make sure the KB/M was a viable control method. I understand there are balance concerns within the community about the KB/M vs DS3 however can people please just step back a second and realise that many of the KB/M players just want a comfortable reliable control method when using the KB/M. We dont want some 'god mode' we dont want stupidly unfair advantages we just want something that works. It cannot be hard to fix a few of the bugs and 'messy' controls. Many of them are just quality of life improvements such as the spawn screen navigation being very clunky on KB/M. (One of the many) Your response is valid and reasonable so i will TRY and respond like wise. Even if your original intention WASNT to get an advantage over other players, doesnt mean you dont have one... I have a friend who plays BF3 & 4 with K&M and once i asked him to lend it to me , I was getting games of 40-3 / 50- 6 / 35 -3 with no effort. Mind you , this was with a STD Scrambler rifle the SAME day it came out, and i had a K-D ratio of 1.18 ATM.... So after this experience, my good friend asked me if i wanted to borrow one of his KBM Sets since he had like 5. And i said that no, i dont need an unfair advantage to enjoy a game. BUT IT DOES annoy me when im playing and someone just 360 me and scores a head shot in less than a second for example. Overall, my disapproval for KBM is based on my own experience on using it, not just random whining... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Aurra Field Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 57	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:21:00 - [30] - Quote I highly doubt KB/M will ever be 'fixed'. The control scheme has to be intentionally handicapped in order to keep controllers (which are the majority) competitive. If you're absolutely dead-set on using a KB/M in this game, shell out the cash for a hardware controller emulator like a XIM3 or Eagle Eye. The game will not enforce all the mouse penalties since it'll think you're using a controller. You'll even get the hilariously overpowered bullet magnetism on top of your pin-point accuracy.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1785	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:21:00 - [31] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Lol. Why would you use a device (Dual Shock 3) designed to simulate cerebral palsy? I mean, I might use a drill to nail a nail butGÇª Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4860	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:25:00 - [32] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Lol. Why would you use a device (Dual Shock 3) designed to simulate cerebral palsy? I mean, I might use a drill to nail a nail butGÇª Coming from someone who appears to Use KBM AND has this as a sig ''Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!'' Like if its something to be proud of, i will in this thread ,ignore your comment..... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 930	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:29:00 - [33] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. Wow, Ive been away from the forums haven't played Dust in 2months, was really hoping 1.8 would bring some tweaks to kb/m I posted in that thread quite a bit thanks for bringing this up Beld and staying on top of it.. I for one will be submitting a petition tonight... The least CCP Devs could of done before locking it was make a generic posts saying they have read our concerns and are trying to improve KB/M or just a general "Go **** yourselves"... Either would of worked but no reply and locking the thread ? Really unbelievable, well actually no its believable because CCP could really care less what their Player Base wants Ill put money on it that it was the pos CPMs who asked one of the devs to lock it based on their hatred towards keyboard and mouse and or PC gamers.. Maybe add a tinfoil hat in there but I've heard some of the inner workings of the CPM if friends of friends wants something done that will be the only thing they focus on and or go after the hardest.. Just look at Ironwolf and his egotistical outlook on my Valve Vs CCP thread ... He doesn't agree so no one else should... That outlook basically sums up the KB/M argument the majority think KB/M is unfair, so its unfair regardless how OP Aim assist has become and or how broken/nefred the current Kb/M is..
KA24DERT TeamPlayers 563	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:31:00 - [34] - Quote Looks like we need this here too: To get this thread back on topic: Part of the reason we're being ignored is that we are a minority, and there are other high priority things that are broken in Dust (I can understand that, but would appreciate timetables) But another reason is the DS3 whiners and KB/M haters that feel the absolute, burning, undesirable need to poop all over any thread having to do with KB/M. They come with the same tired dogma: "HURR DURR DIS IS A CONSOLE", while ignoring the fact that the PS3 can do whatever you program it to do. Hell, at one point Linux was a fully supported option. They come with the the same myths: "OMG KEYBOARD STRAFING IS OP", when no type of input can overcome the inertia of your character in the game when it comes to changing direction. They come with the same old hyperbole: "KEYBOARDS WILL ALWAYS WIN AGAINST DS3", when in reality the top Dust players are mostly DS3 users. And when asked why they don't switch to the KB/M Master Race and go 150 and 0: "LOL I'M NOT A TRY HARD I JUST WANT TO BE ON MY COUCH", when validating their silly hypothesis only takes $20 bucks at walmart to buy a KB/M combo. They come with the same crap every time, they can't be reasoned with, and they come in huge numbers, with no MODs to stop them from trolling. Start a thread about actual issues with the mouse, and the mouth breathers come full force. Again, If you guys want to trash talk, go start a thread about how KB/M should be removed from the game. This thread is about a feature that needs fixing.
Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:52:00 - [35] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: This thread is about a feature that needs fixing. Just because we are getting insulted by the player base, don't mean we have to sink to their level Remember, don't feed the trolls But alas, rather questionable as to why we arnt getting any response. I hope it's not because of future removal. That be the case, ZIM, GIMX, or Eagle Eye
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:54:00 - [36] - Quote there are alot of issues with USB and the kb/m use in dust. it has a lot to do with the drivers and how much performance dust allows the usb. right now dust does not give enough memory and cpu to the usb drivers to operate smoothly. you can replicate this issue by pluging more usbs into the ps3 during play and seeing how it slows down the respones. there was a bug report about this along time ago
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2014.04.06 05:57:00 - [37] - Quote Abuse of power? Says the guy in Nyain San Saying what's on people's minds
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 294	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:01:00 - [38] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: there are alot of issues with USB and the kb/m use in dust. it has a lot to do with the drivers and how much performance dust allows the usb. right now dust does not give enough memory and cpu to the usb drivers to operate smoothly. you can replicate this issue by pluging more usbs into the ps3 during play and seeing how it slows down the respones. there was a bug report about this along time ago Yeah KB/M is fundamentally laggy and choppy. Just another thing I'm trying to ignore these days but my patience is about done.
Beld Errmon 1565	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:06:00 - [39] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Abuse of power? Says the guy in Nyain San post with your main scrub. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:08:00 - [40] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: there are alot of issues with USB and the kb/m use in dust. it has a lot to do with the drivers and how much performance dust allows the usb. right now dust does not give enough memory and cpu to the usb drivers to operate smoothly. you can replicate this issue by pluging more usbs into the ps3 during play and seeing how it slows down the respones. there was a bug report about this along time ago Yeah KB/M is fundamentally laggy and choppy. Just another thing I'm trying to ignore these days but my patience is about done. This problem has alot to do with the PS3 as much as it does with dust. Things that lead contribute to this problem How dust and the ps3 assign cpu and memory priority for performance of USB's (it treats all usb as the same regardless of task) how dust and the ps3 deal with wireless signals and assign priority to faster more critical usb's (they dont) basically dust is a large performance hog, and it and the ps3 will not assign enough CPU or mem to the mouse and keyboard on the usb. Same goes for bluetooth mouse and keyboard as well. ways you can test this. add more use componets. dont use the wireless headset remove all non essental usb try only wired try both internal and external usb you will get varying levels of success with that but at the end of the day it will be mediocre. if you could find a way to alter the ps3 so it provides more cpu and memory to the drivers/usb. or changes the priority that would work best. only other option that you can consider is one of those programs/equipment that use the DS3 interface to make you able to play with a mouse through the emulation of a ds3 as the ds3 gets priority as a device. i have not tried that but it would probably work.

Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:09:00 - [41] - Quote Beld, fighting a troll won't help our cause ( seeming nor does filing bug reports ) Also, I know you're corp, just doesn't show it under your name.... weird.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 436	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:11:00 - [42] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. what are you expecting CCP to say to this? Me IRL :)
Beld Errmon 1566	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:11:00 - [43] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: Beld, fighting a troll won't help our cause ( seeming nor does filing bug reports ) Also, I know you're corp, just doesn't show it under your name.... weird. You can hide your corp and alliance via the settings, I choose to do so because people have an irrational hatred of ppl in good corps, and my views are my own and shouldn't reflect on the corp i'm working for. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:13:00 - [44] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Abuse of power? Says the guy in Nyain San post with your main scrub. Dude I'm a scrub and I don't give a rat's ass. Does Dust 514 wows the ladies or something? Can you put it on your resume? Saying what's on people's minds
Beld Errmon 1566	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:13:00 - [45] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. what are you expecting CCP to say to this? They have the right to say nothing at all if they wish, but they shouldn't be trying to quietly silence debate and requests for explanations. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:14:00 - [46] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Aythadis Smith wrote: Beld, fighting a troll won't help our cause ( seeming nor does filing bug reports ) Also, I know you're corp, just doesn't show it under your name.... weird. You can hide your corp and alliance via the settings, I choose to do so because people have an irrational hatred of ppl in good corps, and my views are my own and shouldn't reflect on the corp i'm working for. I'm always on mobile, which this sure is trash on. So, my lack of playing in settings.... But yeah, I'm getting a sinking feeling we are getting a shaft ( heck, when they lock troll threads, they get a response ) I fear KBM will get axed, which I see biased members of the community rejoice.
Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:16:00 - [47] - Quote I really wish I could get legit numbers of how many came here for the KBM support, and how much have they invested into this....
Beld Errmon 1566	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:35:00 - [48] - Quote besides the trolls are good, keeps the thread on the front page and peoples opinions on this subject are set in stone so its not like minds are going to be changed at all via debate on the subject. The only thing that matters is CCPs response to the problem which they stubbornly withhold, if their response is "we are happy with where kb/m is and will be making no further changes" then that's all they need to say. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:01:00 - [49] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: besides the trolls are good, keeps the thread on the front page and peoples opinions on this subject are set in stone so its not like minds are going to be changed at all via debate on the subject. The only thing that matters is CCPs response to the problem which they stubbornly withhold, if their response is "we are happy with where kb/m is and will be making no further changes" then that's all they need to say. The first time in my life have I now seen a troll in a positive light..... FML And yes, if KBM WHERE by CCP stand as "fine" So be it. I kinda wanna hear something, even if "investigating " or the most feared word "SOONGäó"
VonSpliff TeamPlayers 139	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:51:00 - [50] - Quote Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 294	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:54:00 - [51] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. huh?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 294	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:57:00 - [52] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. Looks unusable to me. This stuff fixed? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=199572
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12054	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:15:00 - [53] - Quote There are dozens of many page threads that go completely ignored. Why would this be an exception? vOv You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 686	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:27:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: There are dozens of many page threads that go completely ignored. Why would this be an exception? vOv Everyone always thinks that their problem is the worst. I do it too, CCP FIX MY PS MOVE NOW!!! Fixing swarms
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 410	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:30:00 - [55] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: There are dozens of many page threads that go completely ignored. Why would this be an exception? vOv Well a reason to why a thread is being locked would be nice... Then again CCP is ofcourse free to ignore and lock any thread they like to. BOT is there any information coming out of CCP about Kb/M? Scanning Table for 1.8: LINK
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12057	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:32:00 - [56] - Quote Haerr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: There are dozens of many page threads that go completely ignored. Why would this be an exception? vOv Well a reason to why a thread is being locked would be nice... Then again CCP is ofcourse free to ignore and lock any thread they like to. BOT is there any information coming out of CCP about Kb/M? Again, there are dozens of threads locked without reason. This is a CCP forum. What did you expect? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8109	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:33:00 - [57] - Quote I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 410	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:42:00 - [58] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Haerr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: There are dozens of many page threads that go completely ignored. Why would this be an exception? vOv Well a reason to why a thread is being locked would be nice... Then again CCP is ofcourse free to ignore and lock any thread they like to. BOT is there any information coming out of CCP about Kb/M? Again, there are dozens of threads locked without reason. This is a CCP forum. What did you expect? Hmm... not sure... Scanning Table for 1.8: LINK
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 300	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:50:00 - [59] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. No. I'll use a XIM because I use a controller.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 296	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:08:00 - [60] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. I guess you're just the higher evolution of dweeb because I have tried with controller and i just can't get that level of tight control with my thumbs. They refuse.

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 296	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:12:00 - [61] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. Oh and....this game has already had KB/M since the beginning so we are part of the community. Our needs are not subservient to yours. If it wasn't an intended part of the game it wouldn't be available would it? But it is, and so it should be improved so that it isn't so choppy and crappy. I just want it to be equal to DS3.
G Torq ALTA B2O 605	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:17:00 - [62] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You saying they (CCP) are locking repeated, duplicate threads about KBM, in their forum, where they have a rule against repeated, duplicate threads?!? Well, they also have a rule against discussing moderation of their forum ... Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
G Torq ALTA B2O 605	Posted - 2014.04.06 10:18:00 - [63] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. Counter-point: We're not all 14-year olds, with still-elastic brains :) Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 270	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:51:00 - [64] - Quote Look, videogames are meant for our enjoyment. If I don't enjoy a particular control device, I will use another that is more comfortable. To say the Kb/M is EZ-mode, is an ignorant statement. My average weekly KDR nearly tripled, when I stopped trying to use native mouse support with Dust. A mouse emulator using DS3 as a input has been far more effective. Though I hate how it feels with rather jerky movement compared to direct mouse input. Slap on some AA & all is well. The reality it Kb/m players are & have been at a disadvantage, While DS3 gets AA. Kb/M is not EZ-mode, AA is. & until CCP give Kb/m raw input, I will continue to use DS3's advantages with my prefered input method.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 270	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:11:00 - [65] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Overall, my disapproval for KBM is based on my own experience on using it, not just random whining... I did not know BF3/4 supported Kb/M on console? If you use a Kb/M on a console game that, 1)doesn't support it & 2)has generous auto-aim/aim assist. Then I agree that you do get a unfair advantage. Which is why native support is so important, so that the devs can prevent mouse user from using the same aim assist as DS3 players. But ATM the mouse is not raw input, & it often moves on it's own in the middle of a firefight(unacceptable). Just try plugging in a Kb/M in Dust before you speak of you experiences.
Beld Errmon 1569	Posted - 2014.04.06 14:55:00 - [66] - Quote G Torq wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341 21 page thread about an important issue, not a single post from a dev. You saying they (CCP) are locking repeated, duplicate threads about KBM, in their forum, where they have a rule against repeated, duplicate threads?!? Well, they also have a rule against discussing moderation of their forum ... what a good looking question, there was one threadnought going on the subject, the main goal of the thread was asking CCP what they are doing to fix the mouse, if they are doing anything at all, its not an overly demanding request considering the vapid nonsense they respond to regularly on the forums. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Beld Errmon 1569	Posted - 2014.04.06 14:56:00 - [67] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. done that, still miss the old KB/M and would prefer not to use emulation junk at all. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 512	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:22:00 - [68] - Quote I cannot physically comprehend how someone making use of device that aims for him in a shooter has the guts to call anything ez-mode. TOLD514
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2974	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:32:00 - [69] - Quote You will never have the 360 twitch movement of a kb and mouse, be quiet already. I'm far better with a kB and mouse so your subtle attempts for a great advantage are very obvious. There's also a guy in my corp called x7 lion, he switched from controller to kB and mouse, he's a shotgun/knife scout. Get good, seriously. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2974	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:34:00 - [70] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Look, videogames are meant for our enjoyment. If I don't enjoy a particular control device, I will use another that is more comfortable. To say the Kb/M is EZ-mode, is an ignorant statement. My average weekly KDR nearly tripled, when I stopped trying to use native mouse support with Dust. A mouse emulator using DS3 as a input has been far more effective. Though I hate how it feels with rather jerky movement compared to direct mouse input. Slap on some AA & all is well. The reality it Kb/m players are & have been at a disadvantage, While DS3 gets AA. Kb/M is not EZ-mode, AA is. & until CCP give Kb/m raw input, I will continue to use DS3's advantages with my prefered input method. This however I can get behind, the actual function itself needs fine tuning but for those of you that want raw input like we are used to, gtfo lol, I see you. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 512	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:59:00 - [71] - Quote The thing people ***** and moan about is inconsistency in movement, and retarded levelsof negative acceleration. TOLD514
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 931	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:40:00 - [72] - Quote Support ticket posted with this thread linked doubt it will do any good as my other support ticket per month of kb/m being broken haven't accomplished ****, but hey guess it's worth a 9th try...
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 314	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:43:00 - [73] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Absolutely unacceptable conduct CCP, you can ignore the subject but locking it is an abuse of power and I have half a mind to petition the matter, citing employee misconduct. Unless you have a health condition that prevents you from fully utilizing a Dual Shock 3, i think KBM is just a very try-hard thing to use.... Just saying. Some of us didn't grow up using controllers and it's just too hard for us. Im 28. I played Computer games YEARS before i got my first console a Super Nintendo. I guess im a genius since i can use a DS3 pretty well without the need to use a mouse that lets you insta aim at the enemies' HEAD without any effort at all... BUT OK. ANYHOW, Dust is not a PC game, K&M should be removed considering is an unfair advantage some players Bro....have you tried KBM in DUST? The laggy offness of it together with the choppiness of the game and no aim assist makes it not a win button at all IMHO.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 314	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:49:00 - [74] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: VonSpliff wrote: Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. done that, still miss the old KB/M and would prefer not to use emulation junk at all. Is it better than just plugging the mouse into the ps3?
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 271	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:50:00 - [75] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've been a PC player since forever, my first console was the PS3. You know how long it took me before I could aim right with the DS3? An hour. Youk now how long it took before I was competitive in online games? A week. The "we didn't grow up on controllers" bullshit is no excuse, pick up a controller and learn to use it. I know how to use a controller. I have had a console right next to my PC for almost 2 decades. I still & will forever choose not to for FPS', regardless of platform or native support. Simply because I want to & can. There are games on PC that feel better with a controller & I can simply plug 1 in. A mouse is better for aiming, period. & that's what I use, period.
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 1736	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:56:00 - [76] - Quote Get an EagleEye or GIMX and play M/KB with Aim Assist. Beat CCP at their own game. Mouse with aim assist is like playing with a stealth aimbot. It's pretty hilarious but you gotta be careful if you go and play other PC FPS games because it can make you really bad/lazy at aiming if you get too used to it. Either way, it's funny seeing the DS3 v M/KB crowds go at it. Let's face it, the people who play M/KB like me are going to figure it out and stomp you controller heathens regardless if they provide support for it or not. Let me play you the song of my people!
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 272	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:43:00 - [77] - Quote gravalicious wrote: Then don't play Dust and quit your crying. I'm not crying. I use a mouse & have aim assist. & until CCP simply gives us raw input, I will continue to do so like I have for the past 6yrs on my PS3. Do you think I used a DS3 while playing MAG? nope. But interesting enough MAG had absolutely no AA & I stood no better of a chance than a proficient DS3 user. The only ones really crying are DS3 users, crying unfair mouse is EZ-mode etc... when they clearly have not actually tried it with Dust.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 521	Posted - 2014.04.07 02:46:00 - [78] - Quote Its not the DS3 users man, its just the scrubs that lack the capacity to move their limbs on their own. TOLD514
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 104	Posted - 2014.04.07 15:48:00 - [79] - Quote G Torq wrote: Counter-point: We're not all 14-year olds, with still-elastic brains :) So you have dementia? there is no reason why you cant use a controller if you can kbm. If you are on the forums bitching you play the game enough to learn. kbm being cheaper isnt a reason. you can get controllers for $15 as well. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Beld Errmon 1576	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:06:00 - [80] - Quote SPESHULz wrote: G Torq wrote: Counter-point: We're not all 14-year olds, with still-elastic brains :) So you have dementia? there is no reason why you cant use a controller if you can kbm. If you are on the forums bitching you play the game enough to learn. kbm being cheaper isnt a reason. you can get controllers for $15 as well. It isn't KB/M users making an argument about the cost of the devices, perhaps you should read the thread before weighing in with you're considered opinion of basically "its a console game use the tool I use or get out!" Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.

Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:38:00 - [81] - Quote I can't believe we are getting into arguments over an input device. There's USB, the system and game accepts it. Its not like rapid fire controllers and Tac Ar, it's not AA, its not wallhacks, or fotm madness. It's not an "auto win" button. If aliens came and judged humanity based on these forums planet... glassed... gone.. poof
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14288	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:23:00 - [82] - Quote The problem is that PS3 handles it like an emulation and not actual direct input method like how a PC would see most input devices. This consumes memory and generates some lag. There is also the problem of keeping parity between the three input methods so one is not obviously superior. I do know CCP is very busy working on things for fanfest so well see if they come up with anything concerning keyboard controls until then have some patience I know its frustrating ever since CCP Rogue stepped in but he has plans. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Alex-P-Keaton Kramer Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:31:00 - [83] - Quote back in the good ol days mouse and keyboard users would be run out of town with torches and pitchforks, these people would be sent to special re-education camps, where they could fully understand what they are doing wrong, but now in this sissy day and age they have the gall, the audacity, the huboris overweening pride to complain merely about their threads getting locked?! it just goes to further show how ungrateful these types are and why they should be treated that way. good lord what genuinly awful people heres some recent ones http://i57.tinypic.com/301n33b.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/25h263s.jpg
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4830	Posted - 2014.04.20 18:29:00 - [84] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that PS3 handles it like an emulation and not actual direct input method like how a PC would see most input devices. This consumes memory and generates some lag. There is also the problem of keeping parity between the three input methods so one is not obviously superior. I do know CCP is very busy working on things for fanfest so well see if they come up with anything concerning keyboard controls until then have some patience I know its frustrating ever since CCP Rogue stepped in but he has plans. Out of complete curiosity, is the Move limited in any way? For the 3 people who use it. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Quest Akashor Immortal Guides 5	Posted - 2014.04.20 18:48:00 - [85] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: VonSpliff wrote: Stop QQ and buy the Eagle Eye like every other kb/m user. It works great for all ps3 fps games. Looks unusable to me. This stuff fixed? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=199572 Yeah, apparently they released a 3.0 firmware update a while back that makes it much better. Check this Amazon review about it http://goo.gl/lchDSI
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14298	Posted - 2014.04.23 08:24:00 - [86] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that PS3 handles it like an emulation and not actual direct input method like how a PC would see most input devices. This consumes memory and generates some lag. There is also the problem of keeping parity between the three input methods so one is not obviously superior. I do know CCP is very busy working on things for fanfest so well see if they come up with anything concerning keyboard controls until then have some patience I know its frustrating ever since CCP Rogue stepped in but he has plans. Out of complete curiosity, is the Move limited in any way? For the 3 people who use it. Moves a bit... weird. I know some people swear by it for some things they do such as flying. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:03:00 - [87] - Quote KB/M people just need to join the DS3 plebs. This is a PS3 game, play it as such, and stop whining that your PC equipment is not fully optimized....sheesh *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.


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