DUST Search - you wanna know how underpowered the cal sent is?

emtbraincase wrote:

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

Im talking CALDARI here
The problem I have is its slow, low hp, weak tank, and the hmg or hugging cover is the only thing going for it
Equip rr? Heavies
Equip hmg? You better hope you can shoot people first, as your too slow to get to cover and regen or you go down to say, a rr because its hih damage basically ignores shield penalty

The problem is at lvl 5 it feels really weak

You do realize that all the things you specifically mentioned (highlighted for emphasis) are all items listed a week in advance by the devs before you even had a chance to put SP into that suit.

So please explain to me how this is anything but your fault for picking a a suit that doesn't fit your playstyle. I hear this:
1) CCP releases stats showing CalSent was going to be slow, with VERY limited tanking ability due to slot layout and module cost/penalties.
2) you want a tank, so you spec into, after a week of examining the racial abilites, a ..........CalSent.
3) Suit doesn't do what you want, but does EXACTLY what it says it will.
4) Complain on forums that the suit isn't good, simply because you can't use it correctly.

Suit variety often leads to misconceptions. Just cause you CAN put anything together on a suit, doesn't mean it will actually BE as effective as putting those same items on ANOTHER suit.

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emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 92	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:05:00 - [61] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Im talking CALDARI here The problem I have is its slow, low hp, weak tank, and the hmg or hugging cover is the only thing going for it Equip rr? Heavies Equip hmg? You better hope you can shoot people first, as your too slow to get to cover and regen or you go down to say, a rr because its hih damage basically ignores shield penalty The problem is at lvl 5 it feels really weak You do realize that all the things you specifically mentioned (highlighted for emphasis) are all items listed a week in advance by the devs before you even had a chance to put SP into that suit. So please explain to me how this is anything but your fault for picking a a suit that doesn't fit your playstyle. I hear this: 1) CCP releases stats showing CalSent was going to be slow, with VERY limited tanking ability due to slot layout and module cost/penalties. 2) you want a tank, so you spec into, after a week of examining the racial abilites, a ..........CalSent. 3) Suit doesn't do what you want, but does EXACTLY what it says it will. 4) Complain on forums that the suit isn't good, simply because you can't use it correctly. Suit variety often leads to misconceptions. Just cause you CAN put anything together on a suit, doesn't mean it will actually BE as effective as putting those same items on ANOTHER suit.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:06:00 - [62] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Im talking CALDARI here The problem I have is its slow, low hp, weak tank, and the hmg or hugging cover is the only thing going for it Equip rr? Heavies Equip hmg? You better hope you can shoot people first, as your too slow to get to cover and regen or you go down to say, a rr because its hih damage basically ignores shield penalty The problem is at lvl 5 it feels really weak You do realize that all the things you specifically mentioned (highlighted for emphasis) are all items listed a week in advance by the devs before you even had a chance to put SP into that suit. So please explain to me how this is anything but your fault for picking a a suit that doesn't fit your playstyle. I hear this: 1) CCP releases stats showing CalSent was going to be slow, with VERY limited tanking ability due to slot layout and module cost/penalties. 2) you want a tank, so you spec into, after a week of examining the racial abilites, a ..........CalSent. 3) Suit doesn't do what you want, but does EXACTLY what it says it will. 4) Complain on forums that the suit isn't good, simply because you can't use it correctly. Suit variety often leads to misconceptions. Just cause you CAN put anything together on a suit, doesn't mean it will actually BE as effective as putting those same items on ANOTHER suit. People keep saying "Herp derp long range forge herp derp" Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 81	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:07:00 - [63] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:09:00 - [64] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 92	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:09:00 - [65] - Quote Sorry, but all I said was you made a poor suit choice and are blaming the suit. If you try to Logi with a scout it is possible, but you will never be as effective as using a logi suit. You want to play a certain way, but the suit is not designed to do that. Better example, you don't drag race with a tractor, unless everyone else is in a tractor.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 157	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:10:00 - [66] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Bro, you had all the info in front of your face, but you decided to skill into the Cal Sent. Oh, and by the way, it's not UP, it's just VERY different than the armor heavy. With Cal Sent you DO have to duck and cover, cause as soon as you wait about eight seconds behind cover you're back to full health. Exwpt I cant if im slow or the stunlocks slow me down or you know, a rail rifle... Don't blame the stunlock for your poor positioning, don't stand in the middle of gun fire, you can't possibly try to run the armor heavies the same as the shield heavies. I know a guy in my corp (Ace Boone) he flanks with his Min heavy! It works brilliantly. yawn im tired of people assuming im standing way out in the open like a ****** If you would be using cover as you're supposed to you would not be having this problem. Also... I'm rather curious as to what curse word that needs to be *'d out means standing out in the open. I'm a logi now! :D
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5467	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:10:00 - [67] - Quote Maybe your playstyle just isn't meant for the Caldari Sentinel? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:11:00 - [68] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Bro, you had all the info in front of your face, but you decided to skill into the Cal Sent. Oh, and by the way, it's not UP, it's just VERY different than the armor heavy. With Cal Sent you DO have to duck and cover, cause as soon as you wait about eight seconds behind cover you're back to full health. Exwpt I cant if im slow or the stunlocks slow me down or you know, a rail rifle... Don't blame the stunlock for your poor positioning, don't stand in the middle of gun fire, you can't possibly try to run the armor heavies the same as the shield heavies. I know a guy in my corp (Ace Boone) he flanks with his Min heavy! It works brilliantly. yawn im tired of people assuming im standing way out in the open like a ****** If you would be using cover as you're supposed to you would not be having this problem. Also... I'm rather curious as to what curse word that needs to be *'d out means standing out in the open. The blanked out word was re ta r d Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:12:00 - [69] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Maybe your playstyle just isn't meant for the Caldari Sentinel? It is, im all caldari, but I will try the burst hmg now Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 157	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:14:00 - [70] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The blanked out word was re ta r d Huh, I had no idea that was a curse word rather than a serious disability. I'm a logi now! :D

jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:16:00 - [71] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The blanked out word was re ta r d Huh, I had no idea that was a curse word rather than a serious disability. I was saying im not a ****** Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
see see-pee A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:17:00 - [72] - Quote I run min sentinel, lowest HP sentinel with no tanking mods, still go 30+ kills with it, get good scrub[/quote] your full of sh!t like baby diapers... that min hev suit is garbage.. I have proto cal,gal,& amarr... but no min... in reality .. min is the worst race in the game.. they absolutely SUCK... so those 30 kills u claim .. must of been a days worth accumulated ... cuz there no one who could get 30 kills with a min .. not when 2 scout shotgun shots can kill it.. or 2 6kin bursts can melt it away.. did u go back to the academy ? that's the only place a min hev could get over 15 kills ... sorry... fuccking liar! See See-Pee On U Fools~ see see-pee or not to pee ... that's the question
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 157	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:18:00 - [73] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The blanked out word was re ta r d Huh, I had no idea that was a curse word rather than a serious disability. I was saying im not a ****** Profanity is usually what is behind the *s. I'm a logi now! :D
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 81	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:24:00 - [74] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Do you even shield bruh? Babby aint maxed his shields? Maybe babby needs to lift some rails get buff.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 866	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:25:00 - [75] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Do you even shield bruh? Babby aint maxed his shields? Maybe babby needs to lift some rails get buff. I have complex everything shiekd related... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 81	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:36:00 - [76] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I have complex everything shield related... Brother, you should be postin' up at least 721.5 shield brother. You feel me brother? You're not posin' are ya brother? Brother?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1678	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:43:00 - [77] - Quote it's interesting that you use a scout as a point of comparison. scout and heavy playstyles are so different that you might just be a better scout than you are a heavy. the heavies seem to be adamant in their statement that the cal heavy isn't up. I'm not heavy and suck horribly with them so i really can't pass judgement on you or any non light suit but but it seems that you are in the minority with your opinion. how does the cal heavy compare to other heavy frames? the sentiment seems to be that it isn't spectacular but it's still acceptable. from the glance i took at the cal heavy it looks like an active tank would fit it nicely. using the 1 second recharge delay max out it's recharge amount and speed it could be nasty to deal with. if you gave up the stand and deliver mentality of armor tanking and instead focused on staying close to cover and using the cover to pull fast regen that might be a very good tactic with the suit. it wouldn't have the ehp to go toe to toe with tanky med frames or armor heavies but it would regen it's ehp faster giving it a leg up. but then me fitting heavies is like me picking race horses, I have no idea what I'm doing. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1678	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:45:00 - [78] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I have complex everything shield related... Brother, you should be postin' up at least 721.5 shield brother. You feel me brother? You're not posin' are ya brother? Brother? HEY BROTHER! GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 170	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:48:00 - [79] - Quote Do you remember the fact that the Sentinel and the scout have two completely different roles? Do you remember that shield builds are better for hit and hide? Do you use cover often? Do you run medium-long range weapons? Do you even caldari? If the answer to any of these questions is no, please proceed to another area. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
jerrmy12 kahoalii 867	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:56:00 - [80] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Do you remember the fact that the Sentinel and the scout have two completely different roles? Do you remember that shield builds are better for hit and hide? Do you use cover often? Do you run medium-long range weapons? Do you even caldari? If the answer to any of these questions is no, please proceed to another area. Yes to all Burst hmg niw Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 82	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:57:00 - [81] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Do you remember the fact that the Sentinel and the scout have two completely different roles? Do you remember that shield builds are better for hit and hide? Do you use cover often? Do you run medium-long range weapons? Do you even caldari? If the answer to any of these questions is no, please proceed to another area. Slow Clap
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 170	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:00:00 - [82] - Quote well, HMG is a short range weapon. If you run a Cal sentinel, Try running a Scrambler rifle and use super speedy fingers to fire quickly and you'll probably still annihilate people. Or run a Rail Rifle. Heavy is a very particular class. If anything I'd recommend an armor repairer/plates combo for your low slots, And Extenders on your high slots for a sentinel. Sentinels are best built for Brick/Recovery combos. Don't run regulators those probably still stink. Also, LOL ace Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
jerrmy12 kahoalii 867	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:06:00 - [83] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: well, HMG is a short range weapon. If you run a Cal sentinel, Try running a Scrambler rifle and use super speedy fingers to fire quickly and you'll probably still annihilate people. Or run a Rail Rifle. Heavy is a very particular class. If anything I'd recommend an armor repairer/plates combo for your low slots, And Extenders on your high slots for a sentinel. Sentinels are best built for Brick/Recovery combos. Don't run regulators those probably still stink. Also, LOL ace Regs are necessary on it And lol scr, its the insta lose weapon vs heavies Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 170	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:08:00 - [84] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Soldier Sorajord wrote: well, HMG is a short range weapon. If you run a Cal sentinel, Try running a Scrambler rifle and use super speedy fingers to fire quickly and you'll probably still annihilate people. Or run a Rail Rifle. Heavy is a very particular class. If anything I'd recommend an armor repairer/plates combo for your low slots, And Extenders on your high slots for a sentinel. Sentinels are best built for Brick/Recovery combos. Don't run regulators those probably still stink. Also, LOL ace Regs are necessary on it And lol scr, its the insta lose weapon vs heavies Lol, You probably haven't used a ScR xD ScR is amazing ;) I remember 1.7 Nyain san. Boy, did they love their scrambler rifles. And they spam shoot, not charge shots. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 499	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:34:00 - [85] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Do you even shield bruh? Babby aint maxed his shields? Maybe babby needs to lift some rails get buff. That's no excuse . I max my shields and without efficacy , shields are garbage . You can talk tactic's all day but shields in this game are in a horrible state right now . Point blank ... since Gal's have armor rep , Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy ... hell players are lobbing for Minmatar's to have a higher shield regen and anyone who has played with the pre 1.8 Caldari assault knows what people are talking about as far as Caldari's and the present state . Shield regen is nothing if the regenerated shields are garbage = more of the same garbage . Few hit and there gone , no matter how many HP's shield's are at . Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy as a bonus . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:36:00 - [86] - Quote If anything, Implement the same system that vehicles employ with their shield regen. That'd make them much more effective. Armor shouldn't have this, but the fact that they have lower rep/sec should make the difference. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
jerrmy12 kahoalii 867	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:38:00 - [87] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Do you even shield bruh? Babby aint maxed his shields? Maybe babby needs to lift some rails get buff. That's no excuse . I max my shields and without efficacy , shields are garbage . You can talk tactic's all day but shields in this game are in a horrible state right now . Point blank ... since Gal's have armor rep , Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy ... hell players are lobbing for Minmatar's to have a higher shield regen and anyone who has played with the pre 1.8 Caldari assault knows what people are talking about as far as Caldari's and the present state . Shield regen is nothing if the regenerated shields are garbage = more of the same garbage . Few hit and there gone , no matter how many HP's shield's are at . Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy as a bonus .[/quote] What exactly does that mean? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
SOGZ PANDA Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 61	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:44:00 - [88] - Quote The predominant problem with the cal Sentinel is purely because shields are absolute trash I'm still being taken out by basic rail rifles with 400/500 shields on a cal logi Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true
jerrmy12 kahoalii 867	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:48:00 - [89] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: The predominant problem with the cal Sentinel is purely because shields are absolute trash I'm still being taken out by basic rail rifles with 400/500 shields on a cal logi And my cal heavy has 626 shields... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 500	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:49:00 - [90] - Quote I mean it's true and if you look at it like those who keep calling for them to " shield tank " , then efficacy is needed and that's a no brainer . Taking away a low slot so they can't " duel tank " did nothing but give them a shorter life sentence , take the medium frames for instance . If CCP would have removed that third slot from them , they understood that would have caused the suits to be imbalanced and NO ONE would have used them , ( And all I ask is for two low slots ) but it's alright for the heavies ??? They should be able to " stand and deliver " , even so if not as effective as most but without a extra low slot and no efficacy that means nothing . That suit shouldn't be designed to just one role , i.e. rail sniping ... it's a freaking heavy and making it a long distance heavy suits just sounds stupid . A long distance heavy ????? Quit making Caldari's seem like cowards and let us fight and brawl as well . Not some 1500 HP sniper . Hell I snipe and that just pisses me off to se someone sniping in a fat suit ( unless it's a commando ) it's just cowardly . They should have an efficacy bonus automatically . Efficacy + Shields = Caldari . Edit : What the hell is a Sentinel that can't even guard ??? You guard by being close to what you are guarding and since your big and slow , you should be somewhat of an obstacle . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .



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