DUST Search - My dad made a character last night...

Sergamon Draco wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways*.

Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG.

It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so**. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it.

He joined an instant battle.

First match:
0 kills
2 kill assists
0 deaths
200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's)

Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ******* thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match...

0 kills
1 kill assist
9 deaths
25 WP's

A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work.

Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly...

"Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?"

CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road.

*: Like that time I held a grenade too long.
**: Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the **** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely?

But why ammar,would it be better your dad find most suitable role by himself?

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1414	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:23:00 - [1] - Quote First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways. Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG. It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it. He joined an instant battle. First match: 0 kills 2 kill assists 0 deaths 200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's) Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ****** thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match... 0 kills 1 kill assist 9 deaths 25 WP's A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly... "Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?" CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road. : Like that time I forgot I was held a grenade too long. : Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the *** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1735	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:45:00 - [2] - Quote Lol, I AM the dad that bought the PS3 in my household. I got it for my kids to play Skylanders. I'm glad I didn't buy it for DUST. CCP has been living up to the reputation they already earned with me GÇô one or squandered opportunities that looked to be big, but deflated into crap decisions. I thought for sure DUST was lining up to be the next HALO on the PS3. Nope. Tanks were going to be awesome in 1.7. Nope. TTK was going to be decreased. Nope (cloaks ruined that). Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4941	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:52:00 - [3] - Quote I'm not a dad but people call me daddy ;) Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 204	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Lol, I AM the dad that bought the PS3 in my household. I got it for my kids to play Skylanders. I'm glad I didn't buy it for DUST. CCP has been living up to the reputation they already earned with me GÇô one or squandered opportunities that looked to be big, but deflated into crap decisions. I thought for sure DUST was lining up to be the next HALO on the PS3. Nope. Tanks were going to be awesome in 1.7. Nope. TTK was going to be decreased. Nope (cloaks ruined that). Same here, My 6&7 yrs old kids is the reason I play DUST. Santa Claus brought PS3 with Skylanders, my 1st game in it was deadspace demo (didn't play it) and next one DUST 514 (...F2P wtf is that...) and now I have >210 consecutive days... Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 78	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:00:00 - [5] - Quote Wonderful post. The answer, as always, is PvE. Why am I not getting tired of typing this words? GIVE ME PVE!!! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 977	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:03:00 - [6] - Quote I play with my dad too. He is a gamer though but terrible, terrible with a controller. When DUST was coming out I tried to get him to test with Modern Warfare 2. First level he shot mostly the ground. Every time he was shooting something when an enemy was attacking him that something was always a garbage can. Be it a big Dumpster or a little one, he kept failing at hitting the enemies but had a 100% accuracy on trash receptacles. My statement was "Those are innocent trash cans; they don't deserve what you are doing to them!" It was worse in DUST. Once he found out that he could keyboard and mouse, he swapped over and never looked back. A training made before trial by fire would be the best thing. Every game I have played other than DUST generally has a training mode before "Welcome to New Eden." Being able to shoot computers or learn how to move before "Hey, what's a Kaalakiota Rail Rifle?" would be a great thing. Remember: "The Family that Slays Together Stays Together." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Deltahawk Durango Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:04:00 - [7] - Quote I AM the dad that bought his kids iPhones and iPads... so they can leave me alone while i play dust... how much do i owe Apple for babysitting? I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 431	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:10:00 - [8] - Quote I am a dad of 2 year 3 month olds boys, i allready make alt to my older kid and that alt has allready 3 mil sp to spend Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 431	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:13:00 - [9] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways. Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG. It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it. He joined an instant battle. First match: 0 kills 2 kill assists 0 deaths 200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's) Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ****** thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match... 0 kills 1 kill assist 9 deaths 25 WP's A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly... "Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?" CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road. : Like that time I held a grenade too long. : Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the *** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely? But why ammar,would it be better your dad find most suitable role by himself? Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2560	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:17:00 - [10] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways. Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG. It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it. He joined an instant battle. First match: 0 kills 2 kill assists 0 deaths 200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's) Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ****** thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match... 0 kills 1 kill assist 9 deaths 25 WP's A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly... "Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?" CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road. : Like that time I held a grenade too long. : Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the *** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely? But why ammar,would it be better your dad find most suitable role by himself? Try reading, it's a useful skill. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12003	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:17:00 - [11] - Quote I always feel sorry for people when I hear stories like this. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 738	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:22:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I always feel sorry for people when I hear stories like this. I'm not, I used to play with my dad when I was "little". The Zelda or Mario parties of our time. Man some magic memories. We did a lot of other things obviously, but the video game moments are some how more present. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12003	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:25:00 - [13] - Quote meri jin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I always feel sorry for people when I hear stories like this. I'm not, I used to play with my dad when I was "little". The Zelda or Mario parties of our time. Man some magic memories. We did a lot of other things obviously, but the video game moments are some how more present. I didn't mean family gaming so much as new players struggling to get into the game. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 739	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:30:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: meri jin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I always feel sorry for people when I hear stories like this. I'm not, I used to play with my dad when I was "little". The Zelda or Mario parties of our time. Man some magic memories. We did a lot of other things obviously, but the video game moments are some how more present. I didn't mean family gaming so much as new players struggling to get into the game. New players must be very special in order to stick to this game... My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1421	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:31:00 - [15] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I play with my dad too. He is a gamer though but terrible, terrible with a controller. When DUST was coming out I tried to get him to test with Modern Warfare 2. I am actually thinking of letting him play Borderlands 2 so he can get used to FPS game mechanics. BL2 has shields and a huge variety of future-tech-type weapons, kind of like Dust... My only worry is that he will want to play BL2 more than he will want to play Dust He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1245	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:31:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Encourage him to get into a squad, then follow them around with the sole objective of getting as few deaths as possible, while occasionally getting a kill assist. For those of us not born with a controller in our hands and a usb socket in our brain stems, it is often a mistake to focus on kills. Eagerness to get a kill was the cause of almost all my deaths early on, and obviously, when I died I didn't get the kill either. When I switched to trying to stay alive I found I actually started getting more kills. The game won't help you progress from total newb to elite slayer, but there is enough scope to set your own goals to manage that progression. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1421	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:35:00 - [17] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Encourage him to get into a squad, then follow them around with the sole objective of getting as few deaths as possible, while occasionally getting a kill assist. A few of my corpmates have already offered to squad-up with him. One of them runs heavy dropsuits and offered to show him how/where to forge gun. I guess this further drives home the point that corporations are a must have in Dust. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Mystic Panda The Phoenix Federation 8	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:49:00 - [18] - Quote My dad and I play Dust sometimes, he can hardly get a kill and of often ends up with 0 kills and 6 deaths. Do not mess with pandas from Iceland.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1422	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote Mystic Panda wrote: My dad and I play Dust sometimes, he can hardly get a kill and of often ends up with 0 kills and 6 deaths. I've got no illusions of him going pro-diamond tier-MLG or anything. Hell, he might not even get a 1.0 K/d, but I want him to be able to enjoy his time in-game. Without a proper introduction to Dust like a tutorial, some time (OUT OF A REAL BATTLE) to get familiar with his weapon of choice, maybe some easy-ish PvE, he's at a loss. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3910	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:07:00 - [20] - Quote Yea I have read this story before a million times over. They all sound the same. The OP brings in new player, new player either has or had played FPS games. The new player doesn't do well. The OP makes some statement of "see this is why we need NPE because my friend keeps dying" Listen, me and many others got their butts handed to them when we first arrived to New Eden. You know what I got? A HTFU speech. And you know what, they were right. It doesn't take much for a player to skill up some so he can be competitivve. Plus NPE doesn't teach somehow how to fight, how to hide, or know when to engage and disengage. Honestly, your dad couldn't make it in COD or BF, no offense. You want him to enjoy the game? Tell him about the harshness of New Eden, because the universe is built on it. Then its up to him what he wants to do. This isn't one of those games where you can pick up and have causual fun, really. It's a jagged pill that you learn to swallow or spit back out. I'm all for helping the new players but the sympathy violins being played needs to stop. If some new guys I met understand this and accept the challenge, how come the others cannont? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1423	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:10:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: [snip] So what you are saying is we do not need a better tutorial, some kind of "shooting range" to experiment with fittings in a non-combat environment, and Instant Battle Academy is 100% fine and does not need to be changed in any way? Just making sure I fully understand your argument. A game can be punishingly difficult, while still remaining accessible. Just thought you should know... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1743	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:12:00 - [22] - Quote meri jin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: meri jin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I always feel sorry for people when I hear stories like this. I'm not, I used to play with my dad when I was "little". The Zelda or Mario parties of our time. Man some magic memories. We did a lot of other things obviously, but the video game moments are some how more present. I didn't mean family gaming so much as new players struggling to get into the game. New players must be very special in order to stick to this game... Yes, very special. Like short bus special. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 47	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:35:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Michael Arck wrote: [snip] So what you are saying is we do not need a better tutorial, some kind of "shooting range" to experiment with fittings in a non-combat environment, and Instant Battle Academy is 100% fine and does not need to be changed in any way? Just making sure I fully understand your argument. A game can be punishingly difficult, while still remaining accessible. Just thought you should know... I've found that a lot of people on this forum are just looking for an argument and will say the most random **** just to disagree with you. Yes, some of us saw that this game has a horrible NPE and just dealt with it and got our characters better. The amount of people that I have seen play this game once and never touch it again is astonishing, and something needs to be done about that. The "Harshness of New Eden" shouldn't be the one and only thing a new player sees, not all people find joy and happiness from being mean to other people.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 453	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:37:00 - [24] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways. Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG. It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it. He joined an instant battle. First match: 0 kills 2 kill assists 0 deaths 200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's) Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ****** thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match... 0 kills 1 kill assist 9 deaths 25 WP's A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly... "Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?" CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road. : Like that time I held a grenade too long. : Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the *** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely? Yep, one thing I enjoyed about other FPS games was the firing range / training map so you can test out and get used to the different weapons and vehicles in a controlled environment. An actual PVE mode would be a god send. People seem to think at fanfest CCP are going to announce some big things such as PVE or a market? What do you think?
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 83	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:50:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Yea I have read this story before a million times over. They all sound the same. The OP brings in new player, new player either has or had played FPS games. The new player doesn't do well. The OP makes some statement of "see this is why we need NPE because my friend keeps dying" Listen, me and many others got their butts handed to them when we first arrived to New Eden. You know what I got? A HTFU speech. And you know what, they were right. It doesn't take much for a player to skill up some so he can be competitivve. Plus NPE doesn't teach somehow how to fight, how to hide, or know when to engage and disengage. Honestly, your dad couldn't make it in COD or BF, no offense. You want him to enjoy the game? Tell him about the harshness of New Eden, because the universe is built on it. Then its up to him what he wants to do. This isn't one of those games where you can pick up and have causual fun, really. It's a jagged pill that you learn to swallow or spit back out. I'm all for helping the new players but the sympathy violins being played needs to stop. If some new guys I met understand this and accept the challenge, how come the others cannont? There is something like "getting thrown into cold water" and learning to swim. Thats okay by me. I like a challenge (wouldnt still be here otherwise). But there is also something like "getting thrown into a bath of sulfuric acid". You wont learn anything by that. You just die (or leave frustrated in this case) and never come back. This is a game, it needs to have players, it needs to make profits. So Socialize The **** Up man! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 129	Posted - 2014.04.03 15:01:00 - [26] - Quote It always amazes me when I see people arguing AGAINST a better NPE. Like it's some kind of virtue to have a brutal hazing for a tutorial. And whenever I see HTFU, all I hear is "I had to be someones I3itch for months, but I stuck with it! Now it's my turn to make all these new players my I3itch, so don't you dare make the NPE better! I deserve these easy kills!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1432	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:21:00 - [27] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: An actual PVE mode would be a god send. People seem to think at fanfest CCP are going to announce some big things such as PVE or a market? What do you think? I am fairly certain we will hear that the player market is launching with the expansion. PvE, on the other hand... no idea. I think we might hear about some PvE plans and see some PvE art/video. CCP might give us an in-general date for PvE (e.g. next expansion), but who knows. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1434	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:49:00 - [28] - Quote alten hilt wrote: It always amazes me when I see people arguing AGAINST a better NPE. Like it's some kind of virtue to have a brutal hazing for a tutorial. And whenever I see HTFU, all I hear is "I had to be someones I3itch for months, but I stuck with it! Now it's my turn to make all these new players my I3itch, so don't you dare make the NPE better! I deserve these easy kills! Coming from Eve, I can understand wanting new players to get a feel for how harsh New Eden is. The difficulty and harshness DOES NOT need to come from the game mechanics themselves. It should come from the players. Having a fairly detailed tutorial that allows new players to shoot at a few still targets doesn't make New Eden into Azeroth... Having a shooting range doesn't suddenly make scamming a bannable offense... Making the Instant Battle Academy last longer will not prevent AWOX'ing from being hilarious... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2152	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:04:00 - [29] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Wonderful post. The answer, as always, is PvE. Why am I not getting tired of typing this words? GIVE ME PVE!!! Yes exactly. This is yet another reason that PVE should have been in the game at launch.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 110	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:14:00 - [30] - Quote I said the same thing you dad said when i started playing Dust. I think the only reason i stayed is that i wasn't what you can call a "real" gamer. I had just bought my ps3. I didn't have any experience in multiplayer FPSs, so i found it absolutely challenging. I didn't like the game much, but as i played my other games i was thinking of Dust, i was thinking of getting good at shooting and aiming and stuff so i could go back to Dust and do better. If i have had more knowledge, experience and played other games before, maybe the story would have gone very differently. PVE will be the key for new players to stick around enough so they get interested, because it is a good game but it's terrifying.



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