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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1414	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:23:00 - [1] - Quote First, understand that my dad is not a gamer, but has spent dozens of hours watching me play Dust in the last six months. He is a fan of science-fiction and thoroughly enjoys the lore behind the New Eden universe. He also enjoys watching me die in fantastically hilarious ways. Dad and I sat down yesterday and he mentioned that he might buy a PS3. I asked him why and he explained that he wanted a blu-ray player and to play Dust 514. We then talked about what he would like to do in Dust, and after much deliberation, he decided upon the Amarr Sentinel dropsuit with an forge gun/SMG. It then occurred to me that he could create his Dust character on my PS3 before he purchased his own. This way he would have some SP waiting on him. We did so. I handed him the controller, told him which buttons fired, moved, aimed, reloaded, etc. I helped him spend his SP to get into a STD Amarr Sentinel dropsuit and fit a MIL forge gun to it. He joined an instant battle. First match: 0 kills 2 kill assists 0 deaths 200 WP's (he damaged two LAV's) Considering the last video game he played was Mega Men V, not bad right? Especially when "This ****** thing has too many buttons...". Fast forward to his first non-Instant Battle Academy match... 0 kills 1 kill assist 9 deaths 25 WP's A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Why am I telling you this? Well I want to point out one very specific thing he said to me as we talked after the last match. I'm paraphrasing slightly... "Why can't we fight computers when we are first learning the game? Like a firing range, target practice, or something. Will I always be fighting other players?" CCP... please listen to this... this is fairly clear feedback on what new players want. Instant Battle Academy isn't a terrible idea, but it is too short. Even if Instant Battle Academy was longer we still need some kind of training environment or Dust will have incredible new player retention problems down the road. : Like that time I forgot I was held a grenade too long. : Explaining to him that bloodline really didn't do anything whatever was daunting. Why the *** do we even have that anymore?! At one time the bloodline provided some minor passive bonuses in Eve, but they don't anymore so can't we just cut it out entirely? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1421	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:31:00 - [2] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I play with my dad too. He is a gamer though but terrible, terrible with a controller. When DUST was coming out I tried to get him to test with Modern Warfare 2. I am actually thinking of letting him play Borderlands 2 so he can get used to FPS game mechanics. BL2 has shields and a huge variety of future-tech-type weapons, kind of like Dust... My only worry is that he will want to play BL2 more than he will want to play Dust He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1421	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:35:00 - [3] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: A bit disheartened, he said he will play more today when he gets off of work. Encourage him to get into a squad, then follow them around with the sole objective of getting as few deaths as possible, while occasionally getting a kill assist. A few of my corpmates have already offered to squad-up with him. One of them runs heavy dropsuits and offered to show him how/where to forge gun. I guess this further drives home the point that corporations are a must have in Dust. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1422	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:54:00 - [4] - Quote Mystic Panda wrote: My dad and I play Dust sometimes, he can hardly get a kill and of often ends up with 0 kills and 6 deaths. I've got no illusions of him going pro-diamond tier-MLG or anything. Hell, he might not even get a 1.0 K/d, but I want him to be able to enjoy his time in-game. Without a proper introduction to Dust like a tutorial, some time (OUT OF A REAL BATTLE) to get familiar with his weapon of choice, maybe some easy-ish PvE, he's at a loss. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1423	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:10:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: [snip] So what you are saying is we do not need a better tutorial, some kind of "shooting range" to experiment with fittings in a non-combat environment, and Instant Battle Academy is 100% fine and does not need to be changed in any way? Just making sure I fully understand your argument. A game can be punishingly difficult, while still remaining accessible. Just thought you should know... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1432	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:21:00 - [6] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: An actual PVE mode would be a god send. People seem to think at fanfest CCP are going to announce some big things such as PVE or a market? What do you think? I am fairly certain we will hear that the player market is launching with the expansion. PvE, on the other hand... no idea. I think we might hear about some PvE plans and see some PvE art/video. CCP might give us an in-general date for PvE (e.g. next expansion), but who knows. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1434	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:49:00 - [7] - Quote alten hilt wrote: It always amazes me when I see people arguing AGAINST a better NPE. Like it's some kind of virtue to have a brutal hazing for a tutorial. And whenever I see HTFU, all I hear is "I had to be someones I3itch for months, but I stuck with it! Now it's my turn to make all these new players my I3itch, so don't you dare make the NPE better! I deserve these easy kills! Coming from Eve, I can understand wanting new players to get a feel for how harsh New Eden is. The difficulty and harshness DOES NOT need to come from the game mechanics themselves. It should come from the players. Having a fairly detailed tutorial that allows new players to shoot at a few still targets doesn't make New Eden into Azeroth... Having a shooting range doesn't suddenly make scamming a bannable offense... Making the Instant Battle Academy last longer will not prevent AWOX'ing from being hilarious... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1441	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:40:00 - [8] - Quote Deltahawk Durango wrote: I'd like to play with my 15 year old but he has decided to be a devotee of the PC master race and plays more Minecraft than anything else. I only play Civ V and Banished on my PC anymore. Bravely Default (3DS) and Dust occupy the vast majority of my time recently. I have Minecraft, and at one time I would spend days and days and weeks on it, but not so much anymore. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1441	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:48:00 - [9] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Alot of older gamers are better set for inverted controls. I always had trouble with shooters because of this. Somewhere around ff12 I just snapped and can use any config. Something with the camera. I hadn't thought of this... maybe you are on to something. Will ask him to try this soon. I know he needs the sensitivity tweaked down a little. Sometimes when he sees a redberry he panics and ends up spinning in half-circles before getting gunned down. If it wasn't so goddamned funny it would be sad. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1448	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:22:00 - [10] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: [snip] I'm not disagreeing with what you said, but the guy you are responding to is either venting or trolling. Let him do his thing, but let's keep the thread on topic please. New player experience, PvE, my Dad being terrible at Dust, etc. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1477	Posted - 2014.04.04 14:31:00 - [11] - Quote Updated the OP with results of last night's matches He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1880	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:34:00 - [12] - Quote Updated the OP with 4/29 update. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1881	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:47:00 - [13] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Your dad sounds awesome. I am 100% serious; that is an awesome human being right there. He's Chuck N Lead , if you see him in game say hey. He should have his own PS3 in the next week or so. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1884	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:08:00 - [14] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Dad: 20m sp He still need someone telling him to reload his gun at all time Could tell you how many time hes been saved cause ive told him to reload.....cant say the others but they had to have saved him a bit too I think my dad got so frustrated with ALMOST killing HAVs and running out of ammo that it stuck with him. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1887	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:40:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cool story, can't wait to hear more. I'll try to post as new updates happen, but not often enough to be annoying to the community managers. Rifter7 wrote: but to throw some new player into this ****? now?! oh man.. what a fate. I almost asked him when he asked me to play Dust, "Are you sure...?" Because I know that Dust is a meat grinder right now. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2012	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:59:00 - [16] - Quote Updated OP... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2012	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:06:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It doesn't help your dad or anyone else right now, but CCP knows this. PvE is a CRUCIAL part of a successful NPE, and Legion will be taking that into account. A lot of good that does him when the game is on PC. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2012	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:09:00 - [18] - Quote bamboo x wrote: the longer i've played dust, the less i believe in the whole "new player experience" spiel dust is a game for hardcore gamers. Look. I was giving Donkey Kong Country Returns a good review on GameFly, and I read the other people's reviews. A couple of them were like, "this game is too hard 1/10" It's like, if you're not in it for a challenge, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing video games in the first place? Sorry? Challenge is one thing, not being accessible is another entirely. Many new players are okay with Dust's level of difficulty. They just want some way to learn the game before being thrown to the protostompers. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2015	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:33:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Well there is a very good chance for a PS4 port not too far after the PC release, which would have been the inevitable progression of DUST with or without going to PC. Regardless it's not going to help him anytime soon, but it IS coming (help, PS4 is obviously still up in the air) Trouble is, he has liver cancer. He's undergoing treatment, and we are trying to stay optimistic, but... let's just say we aren't planning vacations any farther out than next year. We aren't even sure when Legion will start alpha testing, much less when Legion for PS4 will launch. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

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