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Meknow Intaki 107	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:37:00 - [1] - Quote A cloaky scout with a shot gun should not be the go to guy in a war!! A scout should not be able to go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down.. And that super human back and forth side step dance people do to avoide gun fire sould cost stamina like jumping does.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 542	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:38:00 - [2] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: A cloaky scout with a shot gun should not be the go to guy in a war!! A scout should not be able to go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down.. And that super human back and forth side step dance people do to avoide gun fire sould cost stamina like jumping does. scout should be = to heavy = to medium frame It's called balance. Also, KB/M strafe greater than all...
Warbot Titan X Badge of Blood 33	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:39:00 - [3] - Quote No. It's all about the scout pants. The scout pants commands me - closed beta vet
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 183	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:42:00 - [4] - Quote All about skill
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 527	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:42:00 - [5] - Quote I tried playing without scout pants and it was terrible. It's the scout pants. We can pickle that.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:45:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: . Also, KB/M strafe greater than all... True in theory, untrue in practice. There is no difference in strafe speed, and virtually no difference in the transition from one direction to another. Both are fallacies. Signed, someone who tested it.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1669	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:51:00 - [7] - Quote well you see, scouts drink a butt tonne of redbull before playing dust that we need to dance back and forth to counter act the hyperactive shaking (sometimes jumping helps too). nothing is wrong with the scout suit, just the scouts. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Scottie MaCallan Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:55:00 - [8] - Quote counterpoint: scouts are designed for targeted disruption, sneaking around and stealth hacking unguarded points, disrupting enemy squads so they are less effective and easier for friendly squads to take out. Heavy suits are high value targets and are exactly the suit a scout is designed to take out. think about it. heavies are high damage high tank suits that are slow moving, they can defend hallways & points from prolonged assaults if used right/with the right back up, etc. scouts are designed to take out the people who stray from the main squads or valuable targets. so while a scout can't take out a coordinated squad it can sneak up on the slow straggler of the squad or the one left behind to defend the point (IE the heavy). sorry but even heavies have a strategic counter. I've been killing heavies with my shotgun scout for a year now and having a cloak hasn't changed that really.
Rusty Shallows 1365	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:58:00 - [9] - Quote If Shotgun Scouts have you down then try adding a spin while dancing the Truffle Shuffle. It keeps those creepy stalker so off-guard and sometime you can even hear them laughing at you through the cloak. Then it's your turn to "laugh" and by laugh I mean loudly machine-gun them into a fine red mist. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 494	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:03:00 - [10] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: A cloaky scout with a shot gun should not be the go to guy in a war!! A scout should not be able to go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down.. And that super human back and forth side step dance people do to avoide gun fire sould cost stamina like jumping does. Super human back and forth strafing is not limited to scouts. A scout can go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down if the heavy sucks. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )

DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4935	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:12:00 - [11] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: . Also, KB/M strafe greater than all... True in theory, untrue in practice. There is no difference in strafe speed, and virtually no difference in the transition from one direction to another. Both are fallacies. Signed, someone who tested it. Comfirmed Super strafing kbm is a myth. Circle strafing > all. And I'm pretty sure that's done easier on a controller. Could be wrong though GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:18:00 - [12] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: All about skill It doesn't take skills to shake analog left and right, while mashing jump. That cowardish tactic is mostly successful on everybody due to sensitivity and aiming problems from their speedy circling. I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 195	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:27:00 - [13] - Quote Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Tek Hound wrote: All about skill It doesn't take skills to shake analog left and right, while mashing jump. That cowardish tactic is mostly successful on everybody due to sensitivity and aiming problems from their speedy circling. It's not so much sensitivity or aiming problems. it's all about the hit detection. It only works because CCP cant even imagine what hit detection even means. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:31:00 - [14] - Quote T8R Raid wrote: Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Tek Hound wrote: All about skill It doesn't take skills to shake analog left and right, while mashing jump. That cowardish tactic is mostly successful on everybody due to sensitivity and aiming problems from their speedy circling. It's not so much sensitivity or aiming problems. it's all about the hit detection. It only works because CCP cant even imagine what hit detection even means. I meant for the victim? I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
DISGRUNTLEDev 337	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:38:00 - [15] - Quote It's funny, the other scouts in my corp brick tank, I speed tank. With all the QQ about armor, if it actually does get nerfed, speed tanking is the next FOTM. This is very forward think OP, way to get a headstart on the crying. You don't even need a cloak to do it. And it's a blast!
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4534	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:39:00 - [16] - Quote The dancing Scouterina's again.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1719	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:08:00 - [17] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: A cloaky scout with a shot gun should not be the go to guy in a war!! A scout should not be able to go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down.. And that super human back and forth side step dance people do to avoide gun fire sould cost stamina like jumping does. This was already a problem before cloaks and the scout should be the only one who can do it at all. Bunny hopping makes this game silly. I already stopped taking it seriously before the cloak. I.e. The cloak really isn't to blame. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5703	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:14:00 - [18] - Quote Remember when scouts used to be really easy to kill and only armor tanking scouts were the norm in PC? WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1372	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: The dancing Scouterina's again. Yep we are back to the E3 build where the scouts can dance through streams of AR fire (or any rifle for that matter) and not take a scratch. Come on CCP. Either fix hit detection on fast moving suits or nerf all suits (and vehicles) speed by 40% so we can actually shoot each other fair and square. Fun > Realism
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2943	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:19:00 - [20] - Quote Yeah M+KB is the problem. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 102	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:22:00 - [21] - Quote The cloak isn't relevant after the first shot. If you can see him strafing that equipment has no impact on the outcome of that engagement. Also it sounds like the scout was being nice. He could have: Snuck up behind you and double tapped with a shotgun Gave you a box of chocolates Filleted you with knives Instead he took you for a dance. Very sweet. Just don't play kiss chasey with a scout. It ends with tears.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2018	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:34:00 - [22] - Quote There are so many ignorant people in these forums.... Can you please, once and for all just STFU about keyboard being better than DS3? Get guud noobs. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2075	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:35:00 - [23] - Quote All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4938	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:39:00 - [24] - Quote 8213 wrote: All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. I think a penalty to stacking plates would be better. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2638	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:42:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. On behalf of all Amarr scouts I'd be happy to take that ewar bonus. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5704	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:43:00 - [26] - Quote 8213 wrote: All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. Almost stopped reading there. How much HP am I supposed to have before you people are happy? Also: The minmatar scout's hack bonus is not stupid in any way, it gives the Minja a role to fill as a mobile hit and run unit, along with it's use of it's superior speed it can engage targets of opportunity, be they other mercs or a hackable object, making it so the suit with the lowest ehp in the game can get in and out as quickly as possible. There are other ways to make sure that scouts are not being abused, without using such short sighted methods. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2019	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:43:00 - [27] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: 8213 wrote: All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. I think a penalty to stacking plates would be better. Nerf regular armor plate HP values. They give way too much HP on any suit. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2075	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:45:00 - [28] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: . Also, KB/M strafe greater than all... True in theory, untrue in practice. There is no difference in strafe speed, and virtually no difference in the transition from one direction to another. Both are fallacies. Signed, someone who tested it. Comfirmed Super strafing kbm is a myth. Circle strafing > all. And I'm pretty sure that's done easier on a controller. Could be wrong though ALSO TESTED AND CONFIRMED! Straffing is done better, and just as fast with a controller. What looks like a guy going 50km/h back and forth is framerate latency, and connection latency. And I can't do a figure-8 with a kb/m. What make's kb/m better wiuth the strafe is the ability to have more accuracy during the strafe. But the AA tests I did can't apply to anyone, as my AA seems to be broken . I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
Cinnamon267 125	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:50:00 - [29] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: A cloaky scout with a shot gun should not be the go to guy in a war!! A scout should not be able to go toe to toe against a heavy and win hands down.. And that super human back and forth side step dance people do to avoide gun fire sould cost stamina like jumping does. The second point I can talk to. I was running my Gallente Commando suit and I have 800eHP. There was a Caldari Scout with a Assault Combat Rifle that killed me so fast I had to think for a second "am I on my scout? How did I die so fast whilst doing so little to him?" I wonder if that's the weapon. The Rail Rifle and Assault Combat Rifle are crazy strong, still. Or, because moving side to side is with such a small frame. But, I do kind of agree. This does need addressing to an extent. I know Scouts are supposed to be fast and all. But, being the equivalent of Super Saiyan Goku fast is dumb as hell.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2075	Posted - 2014.04.02 06:00:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: 8213 wrote: All Scouts need is their HP reduced. Because as of right now, they have no balance. Nothing is sacrificed. Scouts are NOT Assault Suits. However, they are meant to be lethal, but using them on the frontline is not working as intended. I will say though, the Minmatar hack bonus is stupid, useless, and serves no purpose on a Scout. Almost stopped reading there. How much HP am I supposed to have before you people are happy? Also: The minmatar scout's hack bonus is not stupid in any way, it gives the Minja a role to fill as a mobile hit and run unit, along with it's use of it's superior speed it can engage targets of opportunity, be they other mercs or a hackable object, making it so the suit with the lowest ehp in the game can get in and out as quickly as possible. There are other ways to make sure that scouts are not being abused, without using such short sighted methods. My 800 HP Assault Logi can hack a point in 3 seconds. While standing on a lag bomb of repair hives if I want. I think a Scout bonus should benefit the lethality or survivability of itself. What good is a hack bonus if you just have to run off the point, or die 1 second later? That hack, your suit went to waste. A hacking bonus is a non-combative skill, and should be left to the non-combative roles (i.e.- Logis) I wish that HP tanking wasn't seen as the only option in this game. We have tons of modules to use, but just settle for HP every time, because it curves actual gun skill. Because nobody likes dying. Some scout in front of me with its stupid hit detection coding (which is just implemented projection error randomly executed; not an actual smaller hit box) shouldn't also be able to have over 600HP, plus all the other bonuses they have. The Caldari Scout has become the biggest FoTM crutch in this game (as evidence by most selling Aurum suit in the game right now) because it has no drawbacks. Scouts were meant to fill a role on the battlefield, but do it with less HP than their medium frame and heavy frame counterparts... They should have the option to even approach medium frame numbers. Maybe their is to much CPU/PG on scouts; so that might be something to look at. Either way, Scouts have to much HP. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Assaults, assault. Scouts, scout. Scouts shouldn't replace assaults. Its just another example of CCP giving a faction of the game everything they ever wanted and more, leaving us unbalanced as usual. I'm sick of FoTMs, I'm sick of putting up with some unbalanaced crutch every update. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt



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