DUST Search - You know the AR is ****

Buster Friently wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Gelhad Thremyr wrote:

its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module

And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando.

I remember, back when the AR was well and truly OP, that everyone was saying that is was a generalist weapon, so of course everyone used it, and that it wasn't OP, it was just a jack of all trades.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

Welcome to the new, more balanced AR.

You know the quote, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others?

This applies to the AR, CR, and RR.

It is NOT balanced, it is outdone in every category by both of these rifles.
CQC, long range, you name it.

So, the CR out does it in CQC and long range? RR as well?

My understanding of how the AR should work (plasma based) is that it should be better than the other rifles in CQC, but not things like shotguns.

IS this not the case?

Also, if it's the "generalist" weapon that everyone was erroneously claiming it to be in the past, it should be better than the RR in one of the three ranges (CQC, Mid, or Long) and also better than the CR in one of the three, but that's it.

Does neither of these templates bear out?

Personally, if it is true that the RR and CR is better than the AR in all aspects, that just means the CR and RR need more nerfs.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7964	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:40:00 - [1] - Quote When a Gallente Commando uses anything BUT an assault rifle. Both a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle, but not an AR in sight. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4311	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:43:00 - [2] - Quote Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout...Plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 258	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:44:00 - [3] - Quote Got merced by a Calammando with a DuvolleGÇªdoes that count? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2295	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote ya I faced an assault suit with a duvoule yesterday, needed to switch to my scout to deal with him, sadly i never saw him after i switched lol.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7964	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:46:00 - [5] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout...Plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons. It can kill, but the other weapons are better. Nothing beats 600 DPS from a combat rifle, or nearly the same DPS as the AR at a much longer range My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 196	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote I got a commando gko on my alt, running it with two geks, two complex rep,s a plate and scanner/nanohive depending on the situation. Works pretty good for me, but don't you dare try to run the standard AR. The range drop off is too steep. But yeah, CR does everything the AR is supposed to do way better.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 874	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:54:00 - [7] - Quote I saw someone get a kill with the Duvolle earlier today, brought back memories If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me!
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 165	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7967	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:31:00 - [9] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 419	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:34:00 - [10] - Quote Oh noes! The Assault Rifle is merely as good an option as the other rifles instead of being the dominating weapon on the battlefield like it was for over a year... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 1686	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:37:00 - [11] - Quote I still love the AR but the problem is it isn't feasible for killing heavies. I can CR a tanked heavy down in one clip cause of the superior damage profile. Can't do that with the AR anymore. If Gallente Assaulta had a 10% RoF bonus to ARs, I'd be all over that ****. 25% dispersion is so laughably useless on a gun that's already dead accurate. Let me play you the song of my people!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11973	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:00:00 - [12] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout...Plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons. Just as good except worse than a combat rifle. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 864	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:00:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout...Plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons. Math tells a diffrent story. But one aspect is still true the AR is still killing people there is just no real reason to use it over the ACR/ASCR/ARR or CR/SR/RR its as simple as that. The LR was able to kill people before 1.8 as well it was able to do so before 1.7 and didn't get a nerf nevertheless nearly nobody used it after 1.7 as the RR was doing the same just better
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 166	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:05:00 - [14] - Quote I find the duvolle to be a quite good weapon for a mid range scout, where this weapon shines. It has an effective range, be sure to be in that range when using it. Its as good as other weapons, when they are in their effective ranges, in the right situation.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1315	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:06:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: When a Gallente Commando uses anything BUT an assault rifle. Both a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle, but not an AR in sight. Cause CR beats AR... and RR (in most cases)
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:10:00 - [16] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I still love the AR but the problem is it isn't feasible for killing heavies. I can CR a tanked heavy down in one clip cause of the superior damage profile. Can't do that with the AR anymore. If Gallente Assaulta had a 10% RoF bonus to ARs, I'd be all over that ****. 25% dispersion is so laughably useless on a gun that's already dead accurate. AR gets a sharp shooter skill for dispersion but alcholic withdraw symptoms RR doesnt wtf. CR gets bonus too, nerf both CR and AR!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2140	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:25:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando. I remember, back when the AR was well and truly OP, that everyone was saying that is was a generalist weapon, so of course everyone used it, and that it wasn't OP, it was just a jack of all trades. Jack of all trades, master of none. Welcome to the new, more balanced AR.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2636	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:29:00 - [18] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout...Plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons. Correction: Been wrecking people with the GEK and Duvolle on an Amarr Scout (In public Matches)... In my opinion (Based on public matches) plasma Rifles are just as good as the other weapons Anyways, I think a tiny little damage buff would be great for the rifle. The Pathway to Hell is pathed with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 85.31% Complete
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7969	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:30:00 - [19] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando. I remember, back when the AR was well and truly OP, that everyone was saying that is was a generalist weapon, so of course everyone used it, and that it wasn't OP, it was just a jack of all trades. Jack of all trades, master of none. Welcome to the new, more balanced AR. You know the quote, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others? This applies to the AR, CR, and RR. It is NOT balanced, it is outdone in every category by both of these rifles. CQC, long range, you name it. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7969	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:32:00 - [20] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Oh noes! The Assault Rifle is merely as good an option as the other rifles instead of being the dominating weapon on the battlefield like it was for over a year... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! The AR is not a good option, CR, RR, and even ASCR are all better. It is not a "use for different ranges and situations", they are flat out better. You post is literally meaningless, it is the worst rifle, it is not balanced. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.

1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:35:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: and even ASCR are all better. SMDH
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7969	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:36:00 - [22] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: Cat Merc wrote: and even ASCR are all better. SMDH Ya know, it has less recoil, larger clip, more range, MORE DPS, a red dot sight, faster reload... Why should I use an AR again? And BTW, that screen shake is purely visual, it does not affect your accuracy. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 107	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:40:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: When a Gallente Commando uses anything BUT an assault rifle. Both a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle, but not an AR in sight. Yeah. I'm loyal to my race so i stick to ARs, both AR and TAC-AR. BUT even maxed out commando skill (with maxed AR prof) and only get assists or die before i kill. Doesn't feel like there's a bonus really. Every other racial rifle is so much more effective.... and i was a pretty decent AR user, even in 1.7 did better than now. I'll just keep trying i guess, i don't want to waste the "bonus".
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 407	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:43:00 - [24] - Quote I use GEK and KLO Plasma Cannon on an ADV Galmando. Pretty nice combo actually. Not sure why people don't use AR with a suit that gets a bonus to it. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 693	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:44:00 - [25] - Quote Lol I emptied a whole clip from a gek into an amarr sentinel and died. He still had 71 hp after I was empty and I didnt miss. But I do admit the gek does get it done. Just not at the "new safe range" we are all used to. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2141	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:57:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando. I remember, back when the AR was well and truly OP, that everyone was saying that is was a generalist weapon, so of course everyone used it, and that it wasn't OP, it was just a jack of all trades. Jack of all trades, master of none. Welcome to the new, more balanced AR. You know the quote, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others? This applies to the AR, CR, and RR. It is NOT balanced, it is outdone in every category by both of these rifles. CQC, long range, you name it. So, the CR out does it in CQC and long range? RR as well? My understanding of how the AR should work (plasma based) is that it should be better than the other rifles in CQC, but not things like shotguns. IS this not the case? Also, if it's the "generalist" weapon that everyone was erroneously claiming it to be in the past, it should be better than the RR in one of the three ranges (CQC, Mid, or Long) and also better than the CR in one of the three, but that's it. Does neither of these templates bear out?
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 86	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:59:00 - [27] - Quote 15-5 in a Commando M-I with a Militia AR. Flank and gank ftw lulz. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:09:00 - [28] - Quote I must be a unicorn for I run a Duvolle AR and a RR or Duv and CR on a Gal Commando. Take off shields with AR crush them with a RR or CR, its that simple.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 867	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:12:00 - [29] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: its mathematically good with a commando proto : + 10%, +10% mastery + 5% module And the others rifles are mathematically better with their respective commando. I remember, back when the AR was well and truly OP, that everyone was saying that is was a generalist weapon, so of course everyone used it, and that it wasn't OP, it was just a jack of all trades. Jack of all trades, master of none. Welcome to the new, more balanced AR. You know the quote, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others? This applies to the AR, CR, and RR. It is NOT balanced, it is outdone in every category by both of these rifles. CQC, long range, you name it. So, the CR out does it in CQC and long range? RR as well? My understanding of how the AR should work (plasma based) is that it should be better than the other rifles in CQC, but not things like shotguns. IS this not the case? Also, if it's the "generalist" weapon that everyone was erroneously claiming it to be in the past, it should be better than the RR in one of the three ranges (CQC, Mid, or Long) and also better than the CR in one of the three, but that's it. Does neither of these templates bear out? Personally, if it is true that the RR and CR is better than the AR in all aspects, that just means the CR and RR need more nerfs. Well currently the AR gets beaten in CQC by nearly every other rifle. I would be fine to have a high DPS close range weapon. BUT the AR has the second lowest DPS of all rifles AND the shortest range. Currently even the MagSec can compete with the AR on paper (if the skill would work properly). This is why the AR needs a buff, not to speak from the variants:breach,burts or TAC. You could of course also nerf all other rifles. But if teh AR gets a buff I would favour a ROF buff over a damge buff.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 563	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:15:00 - [30] - Quote Please stop posting how well you did with the AR. It is not a measure of how balanced the rifle is. The Gallente AR is literally worse in every department than the assault CR, it does more DPS, uses less CPU/PG, has better range - the list goes on.



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