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Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 523	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:16:00 - [1] - Quote If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 560	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:17:00 - [2] - Quote inb4you'rean00b B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
jerrmy12 kahoalii 789	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:18:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. No the hmg needs a big nerf Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 565	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. No the hmg needs a big nerf Big? I'm starting to dislike your opinion there. Any more than 10% is pushing it. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 719	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 343	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:22:00 - [6] - Quote Strange, I've killed Gal heavies in proto suits with my Gal Assault suit with my duvolle with out reloading..... No idea why your personally having this problem. Follow me on Youtube
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 565	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:25:00 - [7] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies Yet I brought this up and you shouted garbage at me for being stupid. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1826	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:26:00 - [8] - Quote Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Gotmy Tightpantson S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:30:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Im calling BS on that one. I got killed by a freakin militia ar last night in my advanced heavey with advanced armor. Cut through it like buttah! And no he wasnt shooting me in the back. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs
jerrmy12 kahoalii 793	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. Ironicly a lvl 5 cal sent goes down faster than a mlt amarr heavy from an ar... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 344	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:32:00 - [11] - Quote Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Im calling BS on that one. I got killed by a freakin militia ar last night in my advanced heavey with advanced armor. Cut through it like buttah! And no he wasnt shooting me in the back. Maybe OP has a crappy gun game and blames the weapon and not the user. lol Follow me on Youtube
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 191	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:32:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. No it doesn't! Dust is a tactical game...change your fit!!! BORN CALDARI
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 414	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:32:00 - [13] - Quote In short: no they do not. They are called "heavies" for a reason.
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 96	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:34:00 - [14] - Quote 1. no 2. i can kill a heavy with little to moderate trouble it's not that hard 3. no this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 92	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Duvolle is what 34 damage per shot, with a 60 round mag? That's straight 2046 damage per mag without takes any + / - . Maxed Proto Gallente sentinel gets to about 1550 hp, and for ***** and giggles lets say it's all armor so the duvolle is at -10% per shot. This would bring the max damage per clip to 1,841. Thats still 291 damage in overkill assuming the ENTIRE health is armor. I did this mainly because I'm too lazy to do the real math. Anywhos, in a single clip you have over 300 damage in overkill, which actually using the actual modifiers would leave 10 ish bullets in your mag, so 1/6 left over. This leads me to believe you need to learn to aim better
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 619	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:38:00 - [16] - Quote ya and it takes two or three shotgun shots to kill us Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 283	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:39:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So you are going 1 on 1 against a heavy and really expect to win? Go play COD
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote bamboo x wrote: inb4you'rean00b Edit: You need to realize the AR is a hybrid blaster which does +10% to shields and -10% to armor without proficiency. Which should be more apparent than ever to people who don't come on the Dust website because of the proficiency change to shield or armor based. -.- Do you think I'm stupid? I have been here since closed beta..... I think I know what I'm doing. Stop trying to be a smartass on the forums. Anyway, 1.5 clips to take down a heavy is ridiculous... It takes me 50 seconds to kill him but him only .25 to kill me? That totally seems fair. HMG also needs a nerf.
martinofski Onsencaliss 329	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote It all depend on the number of bullet that actually hit... 50% of yours seems to have miss that huge butt
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:40:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. it was gallante...

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2530	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:41:00 - [21] - Quote I mean it might take 1.5 Clips if you're aim isn't great... Thunderdome is postponed until corp battles return please stop sending mails to me. QQ at CCP, not at me.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 312	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Heavies don't need a nerf, your aim needs a buff. CCP, buff this guy's aim! Put that aim assist back up there so he can kill things! Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1827	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:42:00 - [23] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. Ironicly a lvl 5 cal sent goes down faster than a mlt amarr heavy from an ar... Well there is a rather significant difference in Effective HP. I did quite a few calculations for the effective HP of each Sentinel for each damage type. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137203 While the Amarr and Caldari are actually within 2EHP of each other for Blasters, keep in mind those calculations do not include the new proficiency bonus which only affects one damage over the other. Because of this the Amarr which has a lot more armor than shields will take less damage from AR Proficiency (which boosts shield damage) whereas the Shield-heavy Caldari will be affected by AR Proficiency greatly. That being said it makes sense that the Caldari Sentinel go down faster than an Amarr. Pokey Dravon for CPM1
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 575	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:42:00 - [24] - Quote shotguns already ruin a heavy's day, HP is fine where it is B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:42:00 - [25] - Quote martinofski wrote: It all depend on the number of bullet that actually hit... 50% of yours seems to have miss that huge butt im pretty sure I hit at least 70% of the bullets. The dude was standing still...
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 621	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:43:00 - [26] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Heavies don't need a nerf, your aim needs a buff. CCP, buff this guy's aim! Put that aim assist back up there so he can kill things! mwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7945	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:44:00 - [27] - Quote I don't have any problems killing them, as long as I don't blindly rush them. They're a ***, and I do mean a ***, but I can deal with them. They're doing their role. Oh and I'm doing it in assault suits, in case you're wondering. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1827	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:45:00 - [28] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. it was gallante... Well this is pretty easy to figure out then. I dont have the information on me right now, so can someone tell me what the DPS of a Proto AR is (Before proficiency calcs, I just want the base damage and fire rate) Pokey Dravon for CPM1
jerrmy12 kahoalii 798	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:48:00 - [29] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii 799	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:49:00 - [30] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. Ironicly a lvl 5 cal sent goes down faster than a mlt amarr heavy from an ar... Well there is a rather significant difference in Effective HP. I did quite a few calculations for the effective HP of each Sentinel for each damage type. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137203 While the Amarr and Caldari are actually within 2EHP of each other for Blasters, keep in mind those calculations do not include the new proficiency bonus which only affects one damage over the other. Because of this the Amarr which has a lot more armor than shields will take less damage from AR Proficiency (which boosts shield damage) whereas the Shield-heavy Caldari will be affected by AR Proficiency greatly. That being said it makes sense that the Caldari Sentinel go down faster than an Amarr. At lvl 5 the cal heavy goes down faster than mlt heavy, totaly unfair Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7946	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:49:00 - [31] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Breathes HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm sorry but when a militia suit beats the crap out of my proto suit without trying in pretty much any way possible, then it's not "pathetic". Hint: Minmatar Heavy is fast, build it around that. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 577	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:50:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 No man, Jac is beast with that thing. It's supposed to be weak if you're not using it right. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
jerrmy12 kahoalii 799	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:52:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Breathes HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm sorry but when a militia suit beats the crap out of my proto suit without trying in pretty much any way possible, then it's not "pathetic". Hint: Minmatar Heavy is fast, build it around that. Caldari heavy, weak without 3 extenders since its pure shield Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7946	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:53:00 - [34] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Breathes HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm sorry but when a militia suit beats the crap out of my proto suit without trying in pretty much any way possible, then it's not "pathetic". Hint: Minmatar Heavy is fast, build it around that. Caldari heavy, weak without 3 extenders since its pure shield Caldari heavy has insane regen potential. Build it around that. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
God Anpu TheImmortal THE DARK PYRAMID 81	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:53:00 - [35] - Quote Jade Dragonis wrote: Strange, I've killed Gal heavies in proto suits with my Gal Assault suit with my duvolle with out reloading..... No idea why your personally having this problem. It's apparent he can't shoot well Dark Pyramid Order
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7946	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:54:00 - [36] - Quote DO NOT think the new heavies are like the old one's. The Gallente and the Amarr are what we're used to know from heavies. Minmatar and Caldari are different beasts entirely, and it seems like everyone tries to use them in the Gallente/Amarr way. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 799	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:54:00 - [37] - Quote bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 No man, Jac is beast with that thing. It's supposed to be weak if you're not using it right. In terms of tank vs mlt heavy its weaker Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:55:00 - [38] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Because your doing it wrong. An AR is a shield weapon vs. a CR or RR that is for armor. The heavy is fine, the HMG is fine and you need to read what a heavy is supposed to be. A heavy is supposed to be a tank for infantry and be a point defense. It is playing its role as it is supposed to.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 799	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:55:00 - [39] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Breathes HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm sorry but when a militia suit beats the crap out of my proto suit without trying in pretty much any way possible, then it's not "pathetic". Hint: Minmatar Heavy is fast, build it around that. Caldari heavy, weak without 3 extenders since its pure shield Caldari heavy has insane regen potential. Build it around that. Exept i do 626 shields means you will will die very fast Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1827	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:57:00 - [40] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: At lvl 5 the cal heavy goes down faster than mlt heavy, totaly unfair I would agree with you if the Amarr Heavy could rep its own armor at 50+HP/s like a Caldari does his shields, however it can't. Keep in mind the values I listed are just for the base suit, modules are seperate. So that level 5 Caldari can slap on a ton of Complex Shield Extenders, and the Amarr can put on Militia Armor plates and get MORE EHP out of it because that AR hits those 66HP shield mods harder than they hit the 65HP armor plates. Caldari are always going to traditionally have very low EHP (typically lower than Gallente and Amarr, but more than Minmatar) and Amarr will typically have the highest Effective HP. The fact that the Caldari can regenerate so much of their HP so quickly is the tradeoff they make for having less EHP than the Amarr. It's not unfair, its diversity. Pokey Dravon for CPM1

Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:57:00 - [41] - Quote Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 239	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:58:00 - [42] - Quote bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. No the hmg needs a big nerf Big? I'm starting to dislike your opinion there. Any more than 10% is pushing it. The HMG is the only gun left that has the same TTK as before 1.8 it could be toned down just a bit. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1827	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:00:00 - [43] - Quote Kara Anschel wrote: Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that. Thank you, I didnt have the DPS values for the rifle otherwise I would have done it myself. I also assume your calcs assume no headshots? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Contaminator Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 3	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:00:00 - [44] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Remember than some Sentinels will resist 10-15% of the damage your AR is doing, depending on the race of the suit. it was gallante... GRUMBLE GRUMBLE I DONT LIKE HOW MY BONUS AGAINST SHIELD WEAPON FAILED AGAINST AN ARMOR TANK RABBLE RABBLE!!! seriously though... damage type means something now... figure out how to play with/against it or stop complaining
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:01:00 - [45] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Kara Anschel wrote: Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that. Thank you, I didnt have the DPS values for the rifle otherwise I would have done it myself. I also assume your calcs assume no headshots? Yep, no headshots, you can see the initial stuff on the first page, I did the math for fully proto heavy first.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:03:00 - [46] - Quote Kara Anschel wrote: Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that. 1.5 mags rough estimate...
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:07:00 - [47] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Kara Anschel wrote: Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that. 1.5 mags rough estimate... I know, I was just ******* with ya. For cereals though, using a shield weapon against an Armor heavy is a bad idea. Still though, you can kill even a proto in less than a mag if you land your shots, even less if you get headshots.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1827	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:07:00 - [48] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Kara Anschel wrote: Since Op has confirmed it was a Gallente ADV sentinel. I redid the math for that, so 3 complex plates and a complex shield extender. Shields stay the same as the proto I did earlier, but it has about 150 less armor. The math totals out to 52 rounds to kill. Still less than a mag. OP fired a mag and a half, and reckons he hit 70%, that would be 63. He actually hit about 58%. Come on OP, gotta shoot better than that. 1.5 mags rough estimate... Well if you don't land headshots and miss a dozen rounds, then yes you'll need to reload. Pokey Dravon for CPM1
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 583	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:11:00 - [49] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 No man, Jac is beast with that thing. It's supposed to be weak if you're not using it right. In terms of tank vs mlt heavy its weaker Caldari and Minmatar heavies are theoretically the best at AV. Choose your poison: ranged weapon with cover, or running circles around a tank unskilled in turret speed. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm flame riders 17	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:13:00 - [50] - Quote Does no one know what heavy means?and they aren't that hard to take out u liar, I get dropped in a proto heavy suit(gallente) pretty fast. Everyone needs to stop complaining about heavies, they're not OP. If at first it doesn't work, beat it with a brick.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 803	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:13:00 - [51] - Quote bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Min and Caldari Heavies get nerfed = death to shielded heavies They are already dead and patheticly weak even at lvl 5 No man, Jac is beast with that thing. It's supposed to be weak if you're not using it right. In terms of tank vs mlt heavy its weaker Caldari and Minmatar heavies are theoretically the best at AV. Choose your poison: ranged weapon with cover, or running circles around a tank unskilled in turret speed. I have yet to use av this patch Although I did get out of a match with 81/s regen 702 shields, dat regen, only died once to proxies. Ps Used a magsec for most kills...damm ambush maps Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Tom Hamp the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 14	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:23:00 - [52] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So you are going 1 on 1 against a heavy and really expect to win? Go play COD seriously man these people want the easy way well guess what get good or get off not trying to offend anyone but this kind of demand for nerf this or nerf that has to end sometime soon its just plain stupidity the heavy was just a mess for a long time til the last 4 patches brought back from the grave and I tell you this its been a long time coming now you are gonna get your share that we heavies suffered. sentinels revival your time has come
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2636	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:24:00 - [53] - Quote Lol i kill heavys every day with a assault combat rifle. Which has a damage of like 20HP per bullet. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:25:00 - [54] - Quote Heavies are supposed to be tough. The only thing that needs to be nerf'd is the HMG. Its time to kill is the same as before. I think what hasn't beef factored is that most weapons TTK has been increased, Heavies get resistance to certain weapons thus further increasing time to kill against heavies specifically. You see a heavy, you get cut down before you can even really put a huge dent the the ehp pool, which is why CCP was thinking about nerfing heavy ehp by 20% ( that is a lot) HMG needs to be nerfed not the suit's. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 623	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:32:00 - [55] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: Heavies are supposed to be tough. The only thing that needs to be nerf'd is the HMG. Its time to kill is the same as before. I think what hasn't beef factored is that most weapons TTK has been increased, Heavies get resistance to certain weapons thus further increasing time to kill against heavies specifically. You see a heavy, you get cut down before you can even really put a huge dent the the ehp pool, which is why CCP was thinking about nerfing heavy ehp by 20% ( that is a lot) HMG needs to be nerfed not the suit's. nerf the HMG? fine then give me more range... that accuracy skill we had way back before, ( I wasn't a heavy back in chromosome) Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2138	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:55:00 - [56] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Caldari and Minmatar heavies are theoretically the best at AV. Choose your poison: ranged weapon with cover, or running circles around a tank unskilled in turret speed. My thoughts lately, too. We have an interesting divide where Amarr and Gallente are better with the HMG, but the Caldari and Minmatar are much better when it comes to the Forge Gun. It breaks out more interestingly from there. Amarr can clearly beat any other HMG Sentinel. It's just math. But it's also the slowest, and can be picked off by shotgun Scouts easier. Gallente loses to Amarr in one-on-one HMG fights, but double bonuses to one armor layer mean it's the best with Logi support. Which is very, very useful. Caldari, with its huge shield rep, is best at hide and seek: which means it's absolutely the best FG blapper. You can eat a sniper shot or two, duck for cover, and be back Forge Sniping in seconds. Minmatar is the best tank hunter, because your EHP doesn't mean shite when a tank has you in its guns. You need to be able to run to cover and play shooting games, and then run after tanks for that last killing shot when they head for the hills. It's much better than Caldari for this kind of Forge Gun play. All in all, I'm really happy with how everything has worked out... and it isn't at all what I expected. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 289	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:01:00 - [57] - Quote right now scouts are the most OP suit, not heavies
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 564	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:01:00 - [58] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Amarr can clearly beat any other HMG Sentinel. It's just math. But it's also the slowest, and can be picked off by shotgun Scouts easier. . This is not true. Galente is pretty much Amarrs better. With the extra PG Gal suit has with 4 lows - it's capable of making real use of that HMG on more versatile or stacked suits then the Amarr is capable of. The damage mod nerf pretty much gave low slots extreme value. Far as forge goes - Galente is also the best. Not because it can keep up with DPS omg you do 5% more? Tell me how that changes how many shot it takes to kill a tank or ADS lol But because the best forge suit right now is the speed forge, a suit that can out run danger from both tanks and ADS then turn around and kill you, and is also has an easier time dealing with infantry, especially with the extra PG, which means better side-arm then Amarr will have. In almost every aspect, Gallente is the best. Amarr can just run for longer amounts and do more over-all damage with better scans and shield abilities. Compare that to better armor, reps, speed, and hacking.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 258	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:04:00 - [59] - Quote Heavies would be UP with less HP. Heavies deserve to be feared anyways! The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one! 1.8 is fun. Cant wait for the new build!
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2139	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:06:00 - [60] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: This is not true. It is true, actually. I saved the math for your reference. (You can ignore the first example with damage mods. Look at the second set of calculations.) And I've backed it up since with plenty of in-game experience mowing Gallente down. Not trying to be a **, I'm usually on the same page as you SoTa. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord** CCP Logibro]

Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:10:00 - [61] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So how much SHOULD it take to kill an ADV heavy? "You shot who in the what now?" Jasper Beardly, The Simpsons: Season 7 - Episode 1 Circa 1995
jerrmy12 kahoalii 808	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:14:00 - [62] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So how much SHOULD it take to kill an ADV heavy? Alot Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 103	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:21:00 - [63] - Quote ooook . 1 militia heavys need taken out .......2 the sp requirements need to be drop command 5 . proto lv 5 mill sp . some classes will need hight sp requirements for balance . assault suits should be most used . easyest to get in to . plz think about this it does make sense
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 141	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:22:00 - [64] - Quote Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Im calling BS on that one. I got killed by a freakin militia ar last night in my advanced heavey with advanced armor. Cut through it like buttah! And no he wasnt shooting me in the back. Same here. I've been gunned down by Dren Assault AR's in less than 2 secs in my Minmatar Sentinel. My heavy doesn't have the projectile resistance bonuses.
Rusty Shallows 1336	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:31:00 - [65] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: Heavies are supposed to be tough. The only thing that needs to be nerf'd is the HMG. Its time to kill is the same as before. I think what hasn't beef factored is that most weapons TTK has been increased, Heavies get resistance to certain weapons thus further increasing time to kill against heavies specifically. You see a heavy, you get cut down before you can even really put a huge dent the the ehp pool, which is why CCP was thinking about nerfing heavy ehp by 20% ( that is a lot) HMG needs to be nerfed not the suit's. The proficiency no longer counts against shields and the old standard one Complex Damage Mod is half as effective. How is that the same as before? Don't fret too much. Some kind of HP nerf is on the way. However I would strongly recommend not trying to understand or rationalize CCP nerfing, they have a history of blindly doing it without any sort of data or serious numbers. The 20% originally listed is a great example of this negative behavior. If that isn't a good enough example then consider Uprising 1.0 or 1.7. Mass Drivers went extinct after Fanfest 2013 until they finally received a buff mid-year. Most vehicles got a faster emergency HP buff. The Laser Rifle stayed nerfed until a few weeks ago. We are still waiting on a reason why all Infantry AV had to be nerfed with Large Rails being buffed past the pre-1.7 Anti-Vehicle Damage Levels. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:39:00 - [66] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So how much SHOULD it take to kill an ADV heavy? Alot You would think so, but it seems some people want us heavies to go back to the way we were ie. big targets (as we should be), slow (again, understandable, we have a lot of extra bulk), easily out ranged (HMG) by other weapons (fine, that's the natural counter to the HMG's CQC ferocity), taken down as quickly, or sometimes more quickly than smaller suits (see, now therein lies the rub)! For far too long heavies were way too easily outmatched for what their role was SUPPOSED to be. We were supposed to be huge meat shields that could dish a lot AND withstand a lot. They finally fixed the HMG to address the aforementioned dishing issue. And now they've addressed the latter withstanding issue with the new heavies. The fact is, there are some who don't like the fact that you have to actually work AND think now to kill a heavy. Heavies and scouts are like those kids who for months on end were bullied day after day on the playground. Then one day those kids had had enough, acquired some skills, and learned how to fight back. But bullies don't like kids who now know how to fight back now do they? "You shot who in the what now?" Jasper Beardly, The Simpsons: Season 7 - Episode 1 Circa 1995
Tom Hamp the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 16	Posted - 2014.03.31 23:02:00 - [67] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. So how much SHOULD it take to kill an ADV heavy? Alot You would think so, but it seems some people want us heavies to go back to the way we were ie. big targets (as we should be), slow (again, understandable, we have a lot of extra bulk), easily out ranged (HMG) by other weapons (fine, that's the natural counter to the HMG's CQC ferocity), taken down as quickly, or sometimes more quickly than smaller suits (see, now therein lies the rub)! For far too long heavies were way too easily outmatched for what their role was SUPPOSED to be. We were supposed to be huge meat shields that could dish a lot AND withstand a lot. They finally fixed the HMG to address the aforementioned dishing issue. And now they've addressed the latter withstanding issue with the new heavies. The fact is, there are some who don't like the notion that you have to actually work AND think now to kill a heavy. Heavies and scouts are like those kids who for months on end were bullied day after day on the playground. Then one day those kids had had enough, acquired some skills, and learned how to fight back. But bullies don't like kids who know how to fight back now do they? nicely put sentinels revival your time has come
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 727	Posted - 2014.03.31 23:14:00 - [68] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I don't have any problems killing them, as long as I don't blindly rush them. They're a ***, and I do mean a ***, but I can deal with them. They're doing their role. Oh and I'm doing it in assault suits, in case you're wondering. This guy was screaming nerf in 1.7 We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Vesperz D3ATH CARD 63	Posted - 2014.03.31 23:33:00 - [69] - Quote For some reason, reading this OP's complaint really annoys me, and I don't even run heavy suits. I think its the "I should kill everything without any tactics, nothing should kill me" mentality that I've been seeing more and more. I don't have a problem with heavies, I for damn sure don't go 1v1 against them unless I have the surprise advantage. If I don't, I avoid them like the plague. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7950	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:11:00 - [70] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I don't have any problems killing them, as long as I don't blindly rush them. They're a ***, and I do mean a ***, but I can deal with them. They're doing their role. Oh and I'm doing it in assault suits, in case you're wondering. This guy was screaming nerf in 1.7 The cloaked scouts with shottys running around everywhere are kind of their hard counter My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.

Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:15:00 - [71] - Quote =ƒÄ¦All I see is QQ=ƒÄ¦ No proto in public matches!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThWFhoB8kS8&feature=youtu.be
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1599	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:16:00 - [72] - Quote Everything about the Heavies health is perfect. If Anything on the battlefield of DUST needs changing for the Sentinel... it's That Their HMG DPS is to much... They should have twice(number out of my butt) the clip size... But considerably less DPS.... they can still down a 600 HP suit in under a second... Then have the DPS and clip size to do it to his 4 other buddies... Again... Everything about Heavies Health pools and survivability is PERFECT.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:18:00 - [73] - Quote No
Adam Taurus Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:27:00 - [74] - Quote Use "Remote Trap" is very effective against everything. Hello, world!
NEO Arbiter Red Hand Syndicate 90	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:31:00 - [75] - Quote Waaaah, this thing that I'm not using killed me! Since I am perfect in absolutely every f**king way, it MUST be OP and therefore MUST be NERFED NOW!!!! Lol Tears4Life
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:10:00 - [76] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: bamboo x wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. No the hmg needs a big nerf Big? I'm starting to dislike your opinion there. Any more than 10% is pushing it. The HMG is the only gun left that has the same TTK as before 1.8 it could be toned down just a bit. Tell that to the tree! This is what this gun does... what it was MADE to do... http://youtu.be/QC8jnSaCqxY It's whole purpose is to mercilessly mow things down! I believe if you look in the dictionary under "theexactpolaroppositeoftoneddown" you will find a picture of an HMG. "You shot who in the what now?" Jasper Beardly, The Simpsons: Season 7 - Episode 1 Circa 1995
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 423	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:04:00 - [77] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: bamboo x wrote: inb4you'rean00b Edit: You need to realize the AR is a hybrid blaster which does +10% to shields and -10% to armor without proficiency. Which should be more apparent than ever to people who don't come on the Dust website because of the proficiency change to shield or armor based. -.- Do you think I'm stupid? I have been here since closed beta..... I think I know what I'm doing. Stop trying to be a smartass on the forums. Anyway, 1.5 clips to take down a heavy is ridiculous... It takes me 50 seconds to kill him but him only .25 to kill me? That totally seems fair. HMG also needs a nerf. 50 seconds my ass. Check the rate of fire of your AR. It's physically impossible to keep sustained fire for 50 seconds without running out of ammo. You sir are nothing short of a liar!
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1144	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:10:00 - [78] - Quote Vesperz wrote: For some reason, reading this OP's complaint really annoys me, and I don't even run heavy suits. I think its the "I should kill everything without any tactics, nothing should kill me" mentality that I've been seeing more and more. I don't have a problem with heavies, I for damn sure don't go 1v1 against them unless I have the surprise advantage. If I don't, I avoid them like the plague. im pretty sure the OP has s-h-i-t-t-y gun game. most likely he was like spray and pray and then AFTER spending so much ammo he kills the heavy and then goes and QQ's about how tough the heavy is. that or the OP was shooting at like 120m and all his shots were doing reduced dmg YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 496	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:12:00 - [79] - Quote thats only because you missed with the entire first clip... amarr fat suit here. not that resistant to ar fire. ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 406	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:18:00 - [80] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: bamboo x wrote: inb4you'rean00b Edit: You need to realize the AR is a hybrid blaster which does +10% to shields and -10% to armor without proficiency. Which should be more apparent than ever to people who don't come on the Dust website because of the proficiency change to shield or armor based. -.- Do you think I'm stupid? I have been here since closed beta..... I think I know what I'm doing. Stop trying to be a smartass on the forums. Anyway, 1.5 clips to take down a heavy is ridiculous... It takes me 50 seconds to kill him but him only .25 to kill me? That totally seems fair. HMG also needs a nerf. If it takes that much for you to kill a heavy, we're assuming that you are. At the least you can't aim. Yes, the heavy should win. You probably engaged in CQC. ARs are crap anyway. Heavy health is exactly as it should be, and the HMG cuts through mercs like a hot knife through butter...in CQC... just as it should. This is 1.8, kiddo. It's a whole new game. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 83	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:35:00 - [81] - Quote No, actually they don't. Have a nice day. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1387	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:56:00 - [82] - Quote After doing a bit of skimming here, most of what I see is either "nerf HMG" or "nerf heavy suits". The thing is.... scouts and Logi's are dying to them about as fast as they are SUPPOSED to. Logi units are supposed to be severely gimped assault suits that are masters of maintaining support for the frontline fighters (the Heavies and the Assaults). The scouts are supposed to be recon units that are supposed to flank and outmaneuver the enemy, causing damage where they can and getting out. The heavy is supposed to be a point defense and room breaching suit that obliterated things in CQC. And the Assault is supposed to be the guys on the front line leading the charge, able to stand his ground and hold it's own in any situation. Now, which one of those doesn't fall into it's supposed role? Assault suits need comparable (not equivilent, but comparable) EHP to their heavy counterparts. When the only reason a racial heavy looses to it's racial assault counterpart in a 1v1 at 40m is because the heavy couldn't aim, the balance is OFF. with two good players fighting it out, 0-10m the heavy should win, hands down. 10-20, heavy should still win 90% of the time. 20-30, it should be a 60-70% shot. But if you are 40m out and a heavy drops you to nothing in a blink when you are in the one suit in the game that is supposed to stand a chance against them, some balancing is in order. Right now logi's are still pretty much as good as assaults if run like one (with one equip slot), and brick tanked scouts are just as good too. Assaults need to have an EHP buff and perhaps even an additional module slot added to each suit. (And I swear to god CCP, if you give Minmatar a 6th high slot, the forums will BURN!) MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 633	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:00:00 - [83] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Chief-Shotty wrote: Heavies are supposed to be tough. The only thing that needs to be nerf'd is the HMG. Its time to kill is the same as before. I think what hasn't beef factored is that most weapons TTK has been increased, Heavies get resistance to certain weapons thus further increasing time to kill against heavies specifically. You see a heavy, you get cut down before you can even really put a huge dent the the ehp pool, which is why CCP was thinking about nerfing heavy ehp by 20% ( that is a lot) HMG needs to be nerfed not the suit's. The proficiency no longer counts against shields and the old standard one Complex Damage Mod is half as effective. How is that the same as before? Don't fret too much. Some kind of HP nerf is on the way. However I would strongly recommend not trying to understand or rationalize CCP nerfing, they have a history of blindly doing it without any sort of data or serious numbers. The 20% originally listed is a great example of this negative behavior. If that isn't a good enough example then consider Uprising 1.0 or 1.7. Mass Drivers went extinct after Fanfest 2013 until they finally received a buff mid-year. Most vehicles got a faster emergency HP buff. The Laser Rifle stayed nerfed until a few weeks ago. We are still waiting on a reason why all Infantry AV had to be nerfed with Large Rails being buffed past the pre-1.7 Anti-Vehicle Damage Levels. Heavies don't need nerfing, assaults just need to get buffed. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1976	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:31:00 - [84] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. lolwut TTK is faster with the damage proficiency. Duvolle with proficiency 5 and at least one damage mod = One. Dead. Heavy. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 85	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:38:00 - [85] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. lolwut TTK is faster with the damage proficiency. Duvolle with proficiency 5 and at least one damage mod = One. Dead. Heavy. Plasma AR proficiency only helps damage against armor. OP was referring to an Armor heavy. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1976	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:51:00 - [86] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. lolwut TTK is faster with the damage proficiency. Duvolle with proficiency 5 and at least one damage mod = One. Dead. Heavy. Plasma AR proficiency only helps damage against armor. OP was referring to an Armor heavy. And a Duvolle has proficiency against armor heavies............................... I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
jerrmy12 kahoalii 829	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:52:00 - [87] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. lolwut TTK is faster with the damage proficiency. Duvolle with proficiency 5 and at least one damage mod = One. Dead. Heavy. Plasma AR proficiency only helps damage against armor. OP was referring to an Armor heavy. And a Duvolle has proficiency against armor heavies............................... No it doesn't Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6335	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:57:00 - [88] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: So you are going 1 on 1 against a heavy and really expect to win? Go play COD While I don't agree with the original post, this statement is a fallacy. It is one person, and therefore should be killed by one person. You should be able to go against one player (assuming equal skill level) and expect to win. The difficulty of said kill however, should depend on what suit and/or weapon(s) are being used. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 107	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:49:00 - [89] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: If it takes a 1.5 clips from a proto duvolle proficiency 4 to kill a ADV heavy. That is fked up. Depends on who you're shooting at. If it was an armor tanked heavy, the AR (proficient or not) is not going to work so well, because its proficiency doesn't apply to armor damage anymore. You'll have to rely on a sidearm that's good against armor once you've taken out their shields. Against shield heavies a Duvolle should work better, but keep your distance.


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