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Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4272	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:24:00 - [1] - Quote Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1336	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote I'm hoping someone does a good video showing how sh*t it is. They could do some races from A to B with different scout suits and fits. Show how the lack of sensors-related skills makes it easy to scan and bad at scanning, and then they could even compare the strafe speeds and agility to a Minmatar assault. Best PvE idea ever!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:32:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4275	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:34:00 - [4] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Two words...Gallente Scout I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Hecarim Van Hohen 834	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:36:00 - [5] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Everything a Amarr scout can do can be done better on any of the other scout suits If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:37:00 - [6] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Two words...Gallente Scout I run gallente and I run cardiac regs on all my fits thats something you dont have to do Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4275	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:44:00 - [7] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Two words...Gallente Scout I run gallente and I run cardiac regs on all my fits thats something you dont have to do You run faster therefore covering more distance than the Amarr scout. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:48:00 - [8] - Quote im not saying the amarr scout does not deserve some tweaking I feel that the stamina/regen should be valued as 1 racial bonus and it deserves one more racial bonus on top of stamina/regen but what should it be? bonus to rep modules? bonus to plates? what if putting on plates did not effect movement speed but did effect sprint or the other way around? Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:49:00 - [9] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Two words...Gallente Scout I run gallente and I run cardiac regs on all my fits thats something you dont have to do You run faster therefore covering more distance than the Amarr scout. you have more armor and still have 4 lows Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:52:00 - [10] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. the slot layout on the amarr scout lets you do all of the above if you wanna not be seen throw on two or "three" damps if you wanna see more throw on two complex range amps and two complex precision if you wanna hack faster well you have plenty slots for hacking modules Two words...Gallente Scout I run gallente and I run cardiac regs on all my fits thats something you dont have to do You run faster therefore covering more distance than the Amarr scout. if I use 1 cardiac reg that leaves me with 3 lows if you use 1 kin cat that makes you faster with 3 lows Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2593	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:56:00 - [11] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: im not saying the amarr scout does not deserve some tweaking I feel that the stamina/regen should be valued as 1 racial bonus and it deserves one more racial bonus on top of stamina/regen but what should it be? bonus to rep modules? bonus to plates? what if putting on plates did not effect movement speed but did effect sprint or the other way around? It should without question be 2% per a level to ScP RoF. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:01:00 - [12] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im not saying the amarr scout does not deserve some tweaking I feel that the stamina/regen should be valued as 1 racial bonus and it deserves one more racial bonus on top of stamina/regen but what should it be? bonus to rep modules? bonus to plates? what if putting on plates did not effect movement speed but did effect sprint or the other way around? It should without question be 2% per a level to ScP RoF. hell no what about heat build up to lazer weaprony? Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2594	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:04:00 - [13] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im not saying the amarr scout does not deserve some tweaking I feel that the stamina/regen should be valued as 1 racial bonus and it deserves one more racial bonus on top of stamina/regen but what should it be? bonus to rep modules? bonus to plates? what if putting on plates did not effect movement speed but did effect sprint or the other way around? It should without question be 2% per a level to ScP RoF. hell no what about heat build up to lazer weaprony? The ScP doesn't have that mechanic. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2440	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:08:00 - [14] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: you have more armor and still have 4 lows You have an amazeballs bonus that is worth a complex module while our bonus isn't even worth a militia module. You also get passive Armor reps worth the equivalent of an Advanced module, while we get +30 base EHP worth less than Gàô of a basic plate. You get more speed (very useful), while we get more base stamina (mush less useful). Tell me again how the Amarr Scout is as good as the other scouts... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3736	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:12:00 - [15] - Quote Unless you're armour tanking the suit, I really can't see a use for extra stamina. It's useful for a light assault suit, but that would be true for pretty much any bonus. I just wish CCP had had the sense to come up with broader bonuses for logis, and handed the equipment specific bonuses to scouts. No.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:15:00 - [16] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: you have more armor and still have 4 lows You have an amazeballs bonus that is worth a complex module while our bonus isn't even worth a militia module. You also get passive Armor reps worth the equivalent of an Advanced module, while we get +30 base EHP worth less than Gàô of a basic plate. You get more speed (very useful), while we get more base stamina (mush less useful). Tell me again how the Amarr Scout is as good as the other scouts... so put a reactive plate on then you have reps with almost if not a full plates value CPU 444.65 / 446.25 gF PG 63 / 91.875 kW Shield 75 HP Armor 212.5 [278.5] HP No icon eHP 287.5 [353.5] HP Shield Recharge Rate 30 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 4 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 s Armor Repair Rate 0 [2] HP/s Movement Speed 5.25 [5.2] m/s Strafe Speed 4.73 [4.68] m/s Sprint Speed 7.72 [7.64] m/s Stamina 360.94 Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 /s Scan Profile 31.5 [18.49] dB Scan Precision 36 [23.79] dB Scan Radius 30 [43.5] m Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 comp reactive, 2 comp damps, comp range, 2 comp precision proto ASCR, proto ASMG, m1 locus, ishu cloak, k2 nano because ASCR says so Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4276	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:22:00 - [17] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: you have more armor and still have 4 lows You have an amazeballs bonus that is worth a complex module while our bonus isn't even worth a militia module. You also get passive Armor reps worth the equivalent of an Advanced module, while we get +30 base EHP worth less than Gàô of a basic plate. You get more speed (very useful), while we get more base stamina (mush less useful). Tell me again how the Amarr Scout is as good as the other scouts... so put a reactive plate on then you have reps with almost if not a full plates value CPU 444.65 / 446.25 gF PG 63 / 91.875 kW Shield 75 HP Armor 212.5 [278.5] HP No icon eHP 287.5 [353.5] HP Shield Recharge Rate 30 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 4 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 s Armor Repair Rate 0 [2] HP/s Movement Speed 5.25 [5.2] m/s Strafe Speed 4.73 [4.68] m/s Sprint Speed 7.72 [7.64] m/s Stamina 360.94 Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 /s Scan Profile 31.5 [18.49] dB Scan Precision 36 [23.79] dB Scan Radius 30 [43.5] m Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 comp reactive, 2 comp damps, comp range, 2 comp precision proto ASCR, proto ASMG, m1 locus, ishu cloak, k2 nano because ASCR says so Dude, give it a rest, even others who don't play Amarr realize that the Amarr scout is pretty bad, why are you so hell bent on trying to prove otherwise? I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1541	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:32:00 - [18] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. Isn't the Amarr Scout supposed to be the best direct combat scout? I skimmed over the post, kinda lazy after reading some other things in the last minute, but generally it sounds like you're comparing the Amarr's function to the other scouts as if it's in the same category. Gallente and Caldari are Intel based, Minmatar is salvage based(I say salvage because hacking should be more than just hacking an objective in the future), and the Amarr should be combat based. o,o But also, tell me what would your EWAR bonus be for the Amarr scout anyway? It's hard translating EVE mantra stuff to the game's design. Hell, I don't even think Minmatar ships have "hacking" as an Ewar focus but it's pretty much in their mantra to be able to take stuff from the enemy and use it as their own. What can the Amarr do that would work as well from EVE to Dust? That's probably a big issue for Dem CCP Boyz. If we give them some ideas(and I do believe the cloak was a player made idea at first too), maybe they'll be willing to change the Amarr scout up to base it around that? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 310	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:32:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: you have more armor and still have 4 lows You have an amazeballs bonus that is worth a complex module while our bonus isn't even worth a militia module. You also get passive Armor reps worth the equivalent of an Advanced module, while we get +30 base EHP worth less than Gàô of a basic plate. You get more speed (very useful), while we get more base stamina (mush less useful). Tell me again how the Amarr Scout is as good as the other scouts... so put a reactive plate on then you have reps with almost if not a full plates value CPU 444.65 / 446.25 gF PG 63 / 91.875 kW Shield 75 HP Armor 212.5 [278.5] HP No icon eHP 287.5 [353.5] HP Shield Recharge Rate 30 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 4 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 s Armor Repair Rate 0 [2] HP/s Movement Speed 5.25 [5.2] m/s Strafe Speed 4.73 [4.68] m/s Sprint Speed 7.72 [7.64] m/s Stamina 360.94 Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 /s Scan Profile 31.5 [18.49] dB Scan Precision 36 [23.79] dB Scan Radius 30 [43.5] m Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 comp reactive, 2 comp damps, comp range, 2 comp precision proto ASCR, proto ASMG, m1 locus, ishu cloak, k2 nano because ASCR says so Dude, give it a rest, even others who don't play Amarr realize that the Amarr scout is pretty bad, why are you so hell bent on trying to prove otherwise? you guys just dont know how to set up a decent scout and that is why you guys side by side it with gal scout instead of its strengths towards minmatar and last but not least its the way it is right now you guys still fail to realize how powerful 4 lows are with built in stamina/regen Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2085	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:34:00 - [20] - Quote The Amarr Scout is awesome, actually. Hell, even the STD light frame is awesome by itself. I guess the grass is always greener, huh? P.S. I've tried both.

DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 310	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:37:00 - [21] - Quote Stamina 360.94 [757.97] Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 [110.25] /s this is your stamina on an amarr scout with 1 complex reg (its fu@#ing insane) I wish I could get this Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2442	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:37:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The Amarr Scout is awesome, actually. Hell, even the STD light frame is awesome by itself. I guess the grass is always greener, huh? P.S. I've tried both. The Amarr Scout is awesome. But, the other ones are awesomer. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2444	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:39:00 - [23] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Stamina 360.94 [757.97] Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 [110.25] /s this is your stamina on an amarr scout with 1 complex reg (its fu@#ing insane) I wish I could get this Somebody made charts. If all the Scouts fit a Complex Reg and a Complex Kincat, the Minmatar Scout is the best long distance runner.The Amarr Scout is actually the worst because it is slower. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2596	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:40:00 - [24] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Stamina 360.94 [757.97] Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 [110.25] /s this is your stamina on an amarr scout with 1 complex reg (its fu@#ing insane) I wish I could get this A milita matar scout has a faster regain than a prototype Amarr scout. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2085	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Joel II X wrote: The Amarr Scout is awesome, actually. Hell, even the STD light frame is awesome by itself. I guess the grass is always greener, huh? P.S. I've tried both. The Amarr Scout is awesome. But, the other ones are awesomer. Grass is always greener lol You can run farther than us and have quicker regen (compared to my awesome Gallente Scout). You have more Health. I think the Amarr Scout with the ScR is awesome since you hit from far away and run if things get bad.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:52:00 - [26] - Quote Currently there is NOTHING the amarr scout can do better than the gallente. This is not a problem of the gallente being OP, it's the fact the amarr has nothing differentiating it. Imagine if we gave the amarr scout a 1/5 layout!? Dayum. Instant game changer. New armor HP is 880 or so attainable, or 780 with a repper. It can now sprint almost on par with galscout, it can multitask. Reasoning behind this: in EVE(the game dusties say to never reference) amarr ships focus more on HP and hardening than gallente, and as such have a 1/1 trade. Gallente has 2/4, trade a high for a low. Standard galscout has 2/2(is that how it's supposed to be?) amarr has 1/3 Adv is 2/3 gal, 1/4 amarr. Proto 2/4 gal, 1/5 amarr. I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4276	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:57:00 - [27] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Currently there is NOTHING the amarr scout can do better than the gallente. This is not a problem of the gallente being OP, it's the fact the amarr has nothing differentiating it. Imagine if we gave the amarr scout a 1/5 layout!? Dayum. Instant game changer. New armor HP is 880 or so attainable, or 780 with a repper. It can now sprint almost on par with galscout, it can multitask. Reasoning behind this: in EVE(the game dusties say to never reference) amarr ships focus more on HP and hardening than gallente, and as such have a 1/1 trade. Gallente has 2/4, trade a high for a low. Standard galscout has 2/2(is that how it's supposed to be?) amarr has 1/3 Adv is 2/3 gal, 1/4 amarr. Proto 2/4 gal, 1/5 amarr. 5 lows...I'd cream my pants I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 310	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:00:00 - [28] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Currently there is NOTHING the amarr scout can do better than the gallente. This is not a problem of the gallente being OP, it's the fact the amarr has nothing differentiating it. Imagine if we gave the amarr scout a 1/5 layout!? Dayum. Instant game changer. New armor HP is 880 or so attainable, or 780 with a repper. It can now sprint almost on par with galscout, it can multitask. Reasoning behind this: in EVE(the game dusties say to never reference) amarr ships focus more on HP and hardening than gallente, and as such have a 1/1 trade. Gallente has 2/4, trade a high for a low. Standard galscout has 2/2(is that how it's supposed to be?) amarr has 1/3 Adv is 2/3 gal, 1/4 amarr. Proto 2/4 gal, 1/5 amarr. gal and amarr have the same slot layouts from std to proto CCP just has not fixed the standard gal scout yet Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 753	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:01:00 - [29] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Imagine yourself as a completely new player. 500K ISK and SP to your name. Since you're new you've searched the web and have come across this chart. You figure you want to go in the scout direction. Mind you, you the reader are viewing this chart as a completely new player. Your options are.... Stay hidden - Pretty good thing for any player Find enemies - Can't kill what you can't find/see Run longer - You're like the energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going...... Hack objectives - The soul purpose of this game Now honestly tell me, out of those four options, who in their right mind would choose "run longer?" Seriously, detach yourself from all of your ISK and SP, close your eyes and think of those four options and seriously tell me, who would honestly choose to run longer. For the love of God CCP, please put a little more thought into the Amarr Scout, and please please PLEASE give it a proper EWAR bonus to put it on par with the other scout suits. I am not saying that the Amarr Scout sucks or is a UP suit in general, I am saying that it sucks and is UP when in comparison to the other scout suits, yes, there is a difference. Now I understand that the Amarr Assault gets a higher stamina value due to the suit being grafted into the nervous system and drawing energy from the host clone yadda yadda yadda, but it is very disturbing that a game development company would think so linearly to simply carry that "bonus" over from one suit role to a completely different suit role. In all seriousness it feels as if you all sat around and were like "Oh, Amarr Assault has a lot of stamina, lets just carry that over to the Scout, btw, we'll make it equivalent to a standard module instead of complex like the other scout bonuses MUAHAHAHA!" Please CCP, I'm begging you, for the name of the Empire, open your eyes and realize what you are doing and what you have done. Isn't the Amarr Scout supposed to be the best direct combat scout? I skimmed over the post, kinda lazy after reading some other things in the last minute, but generally it sounds like you're comparing the Amarr's function to the other scouts as if it's in the same category. Gallente and Caldari are Intel based, Minmatar is salvage based(I say salvage because hacking should be more than just hacking an objective in the future), and the Amarr should be combat based. o,o But also, tell me what would your EWAR bonus be for the Amarr scout anyway? It's hard translating EVE mantra stuff to the game's design. Hell, I don't even think Minmatar ships have "hacking" as an Ewar focus but it's pretty much in their mantra to be able to take stuff from the enemy and use it as their own. What can the Amarr do that would work as well from EVE to Dust? That's probably a big issue for Dem CCP Boyz. If we give them some ideas(and I do believe the cloak was a player made idea at first too), maybe they'll be willing to change the Amarr scout up to base it around that? Smart are pretty much vampires in EvE so..... Such modules would be appreciated Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 970	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:05:00 - [30] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Currently there is NOTHING the amarr scout can do better than the gallente. This is not a problem of the gallente being OP, it's the fact the amarr has nothing differentiating it. Imagine if we gave the amarr scout a 1/5 layout!? Dayum. Instant game changer. New armor HP is 880 or so attainable, or 780 with a repper. It can now sprint almost on par with galscout, it can multitask. Reasoning behind this: in EVE(the game dusties say to never reference) amarr ships focus more on HP and hardening than gallente, and as such have a 1/1 trade. Gallente has 2/4, trade a high for a low. Standard galscout has 2/2(is that how it's supposed to be?) amarr has 1/3 Adv is 2/3 gal, 1/4 amarr. Proto 2/4 gal, 1/5 amarr. gal and amarr have the same slot layouts from std to proto CCP just has not fixed the standard gal scout yet Exactly. There's nothing amarr has better at the point. I just put up a thread proposing this idea.(amarr will trade a high for a low, following EVE Conventions and giving amarr something better. This would also allow Amarr to become the best combat scout, as you can put 4 plates(achieving 30 armor more than gallente) and having double their reps(complex rep is 5, plus the skill bonus for reps=6.25) I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?



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