by the way CCP, it won't kill you if you made some close quarter maps. What good is a HMG when all your damn maps are so wide open?

We do, and we do. :)

I hate monthly patch restrictions but gotta live with it.

We do, and we do. :) Hotfix Announcement!

I propose that you make smaller adjustments. Rail Guns decreased by 50m or 100m. Heavies get a 5% decrease. Each change should be documented as to why it was being done and what the hoped for outcome would be. Then a time period could pass and some statistics could be published to explain why there was more needed if they had gone too far.

I propose that you make smaller adjustments. Rail Guns decreased by 50m or 100m. Heavies get a 5% decrease. Each change should be documented as to why it was being done and what the hoped for outcome would be. Then a time period could pass and some statistics could be published to explain why there was more needed if they had gone too far.

CCP Saberwing always gets the short end of the stick on these forums and I do feel sorry for him. However people like him are our main "Go to" devs on the forums.

We dont blame you Saberwing, however it would be much appreciated if we could get more info out of the devs in shanghai and where ever else.

More than anything I just think people want to know the thinking behind changes and especially any stats backing up your theories.

I'm glad they nerf'd the rail gun range. That'll get the damn red line tankers outta there.

Forge guns range nerf should always = rail gun range nerf

EDIT: one more thing, stfu and quit ur whining, I like these quick hot fixes, let em' hot fix this baby all day long. It's better for the game, u try ****, it doesn't work, u try something new. None of this waitin' and talkin' to the player base for months before u decide to implement changes.

The thing is, this game changes very very rapidly, When u talk about things, most of the time these talks become irrelevant after a certain time period.

Fast pace changes + Fast pace game = faster progress

I'm glad they nerf'd the rail gun range.

^Above is one of my main concerns. I would like to see the vision of this game come forth. I do believe that some of the community holds the game back from its potential. We spent how long nerfing and buffing things? I understand its part of the process. Yet, we have the TTK change back and forth. Mercs saying the heavies need attention, now the forums say it needs a nerf. Folks wanting scouts to get their just due, now think the cloaks are OP.

It's so bad that you have threads where baseless concerns really has no merit. It's almost a trend to cry OP nowadays that most are hardly believable.

It's this push/pull thing that can be disappointing. I'm attempting to adapt, why aren't they?

I for one would be very interested to know the exact size of the Dust 514 Quality Assurance team and what their actual experience is. I don't need names or resumes but I'd be keen on knowing how many people and an rough tally of combined QA experience along with what games they tested prior to this one. Might go a little ways in restoring some confidence, no?

I don't really expect to get it. Honestly at this point I think the 180 players we have in our parent Clan could do a better job testing the game and most of them would do it for free .

EDIT: Here is a tip on how to handle changes in your game with your Community: http://community.killzone.com/t5/Killzone-Shadow-Fall-PS4/live-Insurgent-Q-amp-A-on-Twitch-31-Mar-2014-17-00-BST/td-p/1510546

Are we playing the same game? I wouldn't call waiting 4 months for a patch fast paced changes! What changes did they make in the interim period between 1.7 and 1.8? Very few! People are sick of CCPs slowness to react to issues that crop up in the game. We've had World of Tanks for the last 4 months and did CCP do anything to alleviate that? No! They like to sit back and look at the data that shows up in their speadsheets about how many kills or how much damage was done with a particular weapon. Then after an excruciatingly long wait, they break out the nerf bat and mess up whatever weapon their data said was OP. I'm not just talking about railguns either, what about the laser rifle, mass driver, flaylock, Tac AR and others?

There seems to be no middle ground with CCP, something is either ridiculously OP or stupidly UP after they make changes.

If you took the time to actually read what most people are saying you would see that a lot of it is not just generic whining and QQ. Yes, there is plenty of whining but there is also a lot of constructive feedback and suggestions in the posts and threads. Do CCP listen to any of it? I don't think so.

That is what is annoying people the most.

If you read the OP you might realise that the guy was asking for smaller changes to be made more often to try to find that middle ground between OP and UP instead of making a big change that I have to say looks to me like a shot in the dark instead of a carefully weighed and calculated alteration.

Name some other games that are two years old and still have new things introduced throughout the year with plans to release more. I would say there are a few but not too many. Most games are box and sell with some DLC later that should have been in at release but they know they can make more money by selling a few maps three months later.

What??

Every MMO ever made?

Half the games released today have new content added, some for money, some for free. Please don't pretend CCP are special princesses for deigning to release content.

To be perfectly blunt CCP have a successful record of 1 (one) game that's proven itself. Not really a statistical sample size or repeat track record. I also note that Dust has chosen to ignore many of the hard learnt lessons the EVE devs realised long ago. CCP Shanghai is the misshapen drooling younger brother that the embarrassed Icelandic older brother doesn't bring out in polite company.

Patches: Fine.

Hotfixes: ?

Why can we not just see some healthy number balancing every day or two. It can't be that bad for one of the devs to just go into the game and change the damage on a weapon (for example). Surely foresight was not so short that they didn't implement an easy way of doing this?

Obviously no one at CCP has ever directly said this but I get the impression that Sony's QA policies have a lot to do with it. Every time they want to change something they have to submit it to Sony for approval so constantly making small changes isn't really feasible. Nothing is ever as simple as "just changing a single value".

^That would go a long way to help the communication between CCP and the player! Not to mention cutting down the amount of, Nerf this, Buff that threads. Also if I may, any future "balancing for vehicles" should be looked at as such [list]

Also that would be a lot more than any other company is doing. These things need a terrible amount of work to be usable by the public, work that usually is spent better otherwise.
I'd appreciate a post or two on the economics of Dust (yes, economics - as it includes all the K/D ratios, as economics in an FPS was one of the promises of Dust) like http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mineral-trade-in-the-wake-of-the-battle-of-b-r5rb-price-indices-february-2014/
But even in EVE these post a rare and the CSM doesn't get to see all the data either.

If you do play other FPSs then why don't we have the most basic data from the game?
How many kills this week?
A histogram of kills by weapon type?
Did the newest weapon jump to the top of the chart?
Suits lost, clone revived, vehicles destroyed (by vehicles/by AV).

I'd appreciate a post or two on the economics of Dust (yes, economics - as it includes all the K/D ratios, as economics in an FPS was one of the promises of Dust) like http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mineral-trade-in-the-wake-of-the-battle-of-b-r5rb-price-indices-february-2014/
But even in EVE these post a rare and the CSM doesn't get to see all the data either.

TL;DR You're a rail tanker that wears a fat suit inside their vehicle,and you're upset you have to leave the redline to get any kills and that you may die.

Big words or not this can be summarized with two letters "QQ".

Obviously no one at CCP has ever directly said this but I get the impression that Sony's QA policies have a lot to do with it. Every time they want to change something they have to submit it to Sony for approval so constantly making small changes isn't really feasible. Nothing is ever as simple as "just changing a single value".

The very nature of the game with the SP system and specialisations promotes tribalism. People specialise then gravitate to camps because no one except extremely SP-rich vets can ford to omni-soldier.

Whether CCP/Shanghai Devs have played other FPSs isn't known. But what is known is that these huge changes done, seemingly on the spur of the moment or in response to Forum QQ Kittens is very divisive to the player base. The QQ Kittens feel vindicated while those being effected feel like they got the short end of the stick or a knife in the back.

Two items are on the current quick change list to get or have just received a Nerf Hammer of Doom from CCP/Shanghai.

First was the announcement that all Heavies would lose 20% of their armor. Then it was clarified that it was not immediate and might change a little, sort of, but not much. No specific ETA was mentioned.

Second was the truncating of the rail gun turrets range in half. That was done with no appreciable warning.

The armor Nerf might have been mentioned elsewhere but these forums were surprised that a patch that had been extremely slow in coming was going to get a Nerf almost immediately. This caused anguish to your customers and disdain by those by the same customers. These actions are unprofessional and ill thought out. Combined these actions are not those of a reasonable company in control of their own decision making progress.

I propose that you make smaller adjustments. Rail Guns decreased by 50m or 100m. Heavies get a 5% decrease. Each change should be documented as to why it was being done and what the hoped for outcome would be. Then a time period could pass and some statistics could be published to explain why there was more needed if they had gone too far.

Without this level of exchange CCP/Shanghai is being perceived as arbitrary and capricious.

In addition, if you announce something on Twitter or Facebook please announce on these forums as well. Many of us do not actively follow Twitter or the Devs and some of us actually avoid Facebook like the plague.


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Name some other games that are two years old and still have new things introduced throughout the year with plans to release more. I would say there are a few but not too many. Most games are box and sell with some DLC later that should have been in at release but they know they can make more money by selling a few maps three months later.

I agree that some of the changes should have been done in smaller increments but we all don't know how the deal with SONY works or how much work and data it takes to make a change that we think is good or bad. They do listen to the feedback and many of the problems we have are because of suggestions we have made. Just because they can't please you individually doesn't mean that they are taking our input into consideration.

CCP is not a traditional game developer and by forcing your idea about how they should develop the game on them sets yourself up for constant disappointment.

CCP Saberwing always gets the short end of the stick on these forums and I do feel sorry for him. However people like him are our main "Go to" devs on the forums.

We dont blame you Saberwing, however it would be much appreciated if we could get more info out of the devs in shanghai and where ever else.

More than anything I just think people want to know the thinking behind changes and especially any stats backing up your theories.