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The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2227	Posted - 2014.03.31 05:15:00 - [1] - Quote RydogV wrote: I for one would be very interested to know the exact size of the Dust 514 Quality Assurance team and what their actual experience is. I don't need names or resumes but I'd be keen on knowing how many people and an rough tally of combined QA experience along with what games they tested prior to this one. Might go a little ways in restoring some confidence, no? I don't really expect to get it. Honestly at this point I think the 180 players we have in our parent Clan could do a better job testing the game and most of them would do it for free . EDIT: Here is a tip on how to handle changes in your game with your Community: http://community.killzone.com/t5/Killzone-Shadow-Fall-PS4/live-Insurgent-Q-amp-A-on-Twitch-31-Mar-2014-17-00-BST/td-p/1510546 When they post threads asking for feedback and comments we give them but most are "Hire better programmers", "Port to PS4", "Fix the bugs", "Play the game", "Release the core because we're still in beta" and every nerf this and buff that post you can think of. Asking this community of constructive feed back is like trying to teach a cat sign language, it just isn't going to happen and if it does it is far and few between. I would also bet that QA is more than just shooting the guns and finding sticky spots on maps. I am not there I and I don't know their process but I would say that it is more than just playing the game. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2228	Posted - 2014.03.31 05:24:00 - [2] - Quote KaTaLy5t-87 wrote: DRE PrEaCh wrote: I'm glad they nerf'd the rail gun range. That'll get the damn red line tankers outta there. Forge guns range nerf should always = rail gun range nerf EDIT: one more thing, stfu and quit ur whining, I like these quick hot fixes, let em' hot fix this baby all day long. It's better for the game, u try ****, it doesn't work, u try something new. None of this waitin' and talkin' to the player base for months before u decide to implement changes. The thing is, this game changes very very rapidly, When u talk about things, most of the time these talks become irrelevant after a certain time period. Fast pace changes + Fast pace game = faster progress Are we playing the same game? I wouldn't call waiting 4 months for a patch fast paced changes! What changes did they make in the interim period between 1.7 and 1.8? Very few! People are sick of CCPs slowness to react to issues that crop up in the game. We've had World of Tanks for the last 4 months and did CCP do anything to alleviate that? No! They like to sit back and look at the data that shows up in their speadsheets about how many kills or how much damage was done with a particular weapon. Then after an excruciatingly long wait, they break out the nerf bat and mess up whatever weapon their data said was OP. I'm not just talking about railguns either, what about the laser rifle, mass driver, flaylock, Tac AR and others? There seems to be no middle ground with CCP, something is either ridiculously OP or stupidly UP after they make changes. If you took the time to actually read what most people are saying you would see that a lot of it is not just generic whining and QQ. Yes, there is plenty of whining but there is also a lot of constructive feedback and suggestions in the posts and threads. Do CCP listen to any of it? I don't think so. That is what is annoying people the most. If you read the OP you might realise that the guy was asking for smaller changes to be made more often to try to find that middle ground between OP and UP instead of making a big change that I have to say looks to me like a shot in the dark instead of a carefully weighed and calculated alteration. Name some other games that are two years old and still have new things introduced throughout the year with plans to release more. I would say there are a few but not too many. Most games are box and sell with some DLC later that should have been in at release but they know they can make more money by selling a few maps three months later. I agree that some of the changes should have been done in smaller increments but we all don't know how the deal with SONY works or how much work and data it takes to make a change that we think is good or bad. They do listen to the feedback and many of the problems we have are because of suggestions we have made. Just because they can't please you individually doesn't mean that they are taking our input into consideration. CCP is not a traditional game developer and by forcing your idea about how they should develop the game on them sets yourself up for constant disappointment. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2228	Posted - 2014.03.31 05:57:00 - [3] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Name some other games that are two years old and still have new things introduced throughout the year with plans to release more. I would say there are a few but not too many. Most games are box and sell with some DLC later that should have been in at release but they know they can make more money by selling a few maps three months later. What?? Every MMO ever made? Half the games released today have new content added, some for money, some for free. Please don't pretend CCP are special princesses for deigning to release content. To be perfectly blunt CCP have a successful record of 1 (one) game that's proven itself. Not really a statistical sample size or repeat track record. I also note that Dust has chosen to ignore many of the hard learnt lessons the EVE devs realised long ago. CCP Shanghai is the misshapen drooling younger brother that the embarrassed Icelandic older brother doesn't bring out in polite company. Some content added yes but the game usually doesn't last longer than a year and usually not even that, FPS are yearly releases and most MMOs are on six month cycles that require a subscription or purchase of the content. Other games may release content every six months but it is not a the pace at which we receive here. Make the list of games that plan on living more that a year or have actually done it and have content released more often than every six months. I would wager the list is very small. Most games don't last because they are finished products when they ship and only offer content for a while after that. Yes other games do receive content release but not like CCP does it, for the most part. I am basing my post off their one game because CCP doesn't work like other game companies and I am not comparing them to other games because that is where your problem is. You can not compare how they work with how EA works or for any other game company. They are the odd one out and if you are trying to make the comparison to another company then that is the problem. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2228	Posted - 2014.03.31 06:20:00 - [4] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: RINON114 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I hate monthly patch restrictions but gotta live with it. Patches: Fine. Hotfixes: ? Why can we not just see some healthy number balancing every day or two. It can't be that bad for one of the devs to just go into the game and change the damage on a weapon (for example). Surely foresight was not so short that they didn't implement an easy way of doing this? Altina McAlterson wrote: Obviously no one at CCP has ever directly said this but I get the impression that Sony's QA policies have a lot to do with it. Every time they want to change something they have to submit it to Sony for approval so constantly making small changes isn't really feasible. Nothing is ever as simple as "just changing a single value". Yes, this is probably the most accurate answer. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2230	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:06:00 - [5] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: Each change should be documented as to why it was being done and what the hoped for outcome would be. Then a time period could pass and some statistics could be published to explain why there was more needed if they had gone too far. ^That would go a long way to help the communication between CCP and the player! Not to mention cutting down the amount of, Nerf this, Buff that threads. Also if I may, any future "balancing for vehicles" should be looked at as such [list] Also that would be a lot more than any other company is doing. These things need a terrible amount of work to be usable by the public, work that usually is spent better otherwise. I'd appreciate a post or two on the economics of Dust (yes, economics - as it includes all the K/D ratios, as economics in an FPS was one of the promises of Dust) like http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mineral-trade-in-the-wake-of-the-battle-of-b-r5rb-price-indices-february-2014/ But even in EVE these post a rare and the CSM doesn't get to see all the data either. Agree on the graphporn, I would love to see how many dollars are destroyed if you were buy it with AUR or any thing like that. We need more maths n' graphs. We're nerds and we like things like that. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

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