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I-Shayz-I I-----I 2755	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:13:00 - [1] - Quote Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1112	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:15:00 - [2] - Quote My Alt is running proto min logi, I'm liking it better than 1.7. Still tanking 800 HP plus all proto EQ and a proto rifle. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 575	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote honestly im pretty sure the 2 best logis for the bonus are mimnatar and ammar otherwise the bonus is near useless Module effectiveness for suits
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2925	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Now that iv gotten used to min logi, yeah. Haven't used the fit since it was THE logi suit. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1604	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:18:00 - [5] - Quote People called it and I didn't listen. 1.8 is Heavy/Scout 514. I have yet to see another proto Assault which makes my ck.0 feel like a snowflake. Learn to be aware of your surroundings, flanks, and constantly practice "back to a wall" mentality. There's nothing you can effectively do against cloak scouts except run Gal Logi and hope you can scan them. Expect them, lots of them. It's the new FotM and Scouts are essentially beefy Assaults with cloaks, can see you before you see them, just with slightly less HP. Let me play you the song of my people!
Yoma Carrim PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 387	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:18:00 - [6] - Quote I am. Then again I'm a Logi CK.0 medic so the patch didn't effect me as much as other logis. 500+ shield 112 armor Proto ARR Proto injector Proto nanohive(R) Proto Focused Repair tool Plenty of Chubbies to chase down and heal When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 368	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:19:00 - [7] - Quote I'm loving my Amarr logi. I have a sidearm plus my uplinks really help tactically control the battlefield. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 675	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:21:00 - [8] - Quote I either stick with a squad mate who is running a low db passive scan and have him verbaly call out reds/protect me, or stay hidden in the corner of an objective with a squad mate running a heavy suit and logi him up while he protects me. But the best thing to do is find a squad mate with a good tank and an open turret. It's hell out there. Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood. Futurama
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote Shayz, I hope you realize if you're not in a squad with a Gal Logi and/or Cal Scout, you shouldn't be running your proto Min Logi anymore. Your role is more important than ever but if you don't have the anti-scout people in your squad, yeah you're boned. Just save ISK and run the basic gear unless you're ringing then definitely request to have the appropriate backup squad. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1605	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote It's really stupid that Scouts and Heavies get distinctly unique and appropriate bonuses that apply despite how you choose to fit the suit (e.g scan bonus, stamina, hack speed, damage reduction). This allows them to utilize the suit however they want and still get appropriate bonuses for their roles. Assaults and Logis on the other hand are slapped in the face with these terrible bonuses that only apply to a SINGLE weapon or equipment class, and if you choose to forego that class for something else because you like to customize your suit. Well CCP has decided to give a big **** you. The bonuses are so weak. The stats are hardly justified. Just about everything about medium suits is outclassed by light and heavy frames. Let me play you the song of my people!

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1252	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:26:00 - [11] - Quote I still use the minmatar logi only since beta despite being not happy about CCP removing my fast hacking support. the only upside the patch has is the mass driver buff. it is a support weapon which I often use on my minmatar logi. I simply refuse the join the FOTM scrubs crowd and will continue to play minmatar logi as usual.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 131	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:27:00 - [12] - Quote OP - you write post after post.. mostly kind of qq now. Take caldari scout to your squad and you can live forever.
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 75	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:31:00 - [13] - Quote My role isn't ruined, but there is nothing that I like about the update. I still use my uplinks, nanohives, and repair tool. Even though the second and third are worsened, they are still effective. I only have a repair tool repairing another suit if it is damaged or currently engaged in battle, and even then I spin around looking for enemies behind me. Otherwise, I have a weapon out. The worst thing about this patch for me has been the scrambler pistol nerf. it was my absolute favorite weapon. I'm still not over it. I suggest that you take a break, and skill into a commando suit until the event ends. You will probably make your SP back and then some. I am doing that. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1048	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:35:00 - [14] - Quote I'm enjoying 1.7 logi. They're desperately crying out for support on the field. Every hive, every tool is appreciated cus there are so few logi's left. As to staying alive - thats down to having a good team with you. Scouts are not invisible and so few don't seem to realise it that its almost laughable. If you can get a second logi with you to cover you your good. I don't know about scanners as such (as a long term scout I never really had need of them) I only speced into them for my teams sake, and only lvl 1 - enough to place an orbital. But my understanding is that quantum scanners are only good if you know where the enemy is anyway but want to highlight for your team. Standard can be used more often for regular scans. As to detecting the scouts themselves I believe your best shot is the infamous douvoll focused if your not a Gal logi and you may get away with a proto if you are. If your really paranoid you can try the proxie scanner and try to catch them on the cooldown. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1048	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I still use the minmatar logi only since beta despite being not happy about CCP removing my fast hacking support. the only upside the patch has is the mass driver buff. it is a support weapon which I often use on my minmatar logi. I simply refuse the join the FOTM scrubs crowd and will continue to play minmatar logi as usual. You lost 5%. Its barely noticeable "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 107	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:56:00 - [16] - Quote 1st is that if you set your tv to one of the low-res settings (as advised by more than one thread poster not too long ago) to compensate for PC framerate issues, change that sht back, HD will let you see the cloak shimmers. 2nd I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. Corner check always and don't be shy about pinging a couple rounds down/into seemingly "clear" corners or halls. SMG (for clip size) is a good homie here. 3rd This'll sound weird, but in addition to keeping your back against a wall as much as possible while repping, watch behind your group as much as the leash will allow without breaking. And (the maybe weird part) when your heavy is mobile from one area to another be as close as you can behind him, running backwards* so you can guard that fat azz from threats that'll pop out after you two pass. It takes some getting used to, but I've popped or ID'd countless enemies this way while running back and forth with heavies. And remember a 360 degree sphere is your awareness model, cloaks capitalize best on those with "tunnel vision" And, of course, get those passive coreskills up (in case you haven't) for range and amplification, it'll let you get the mods and boost all your suits anyways. I know passive won't pick up everyone but you'll get some of them, and if it saves you so you can save someone else once then its worth it. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1889	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:00:00 - [17] - Quote Always face your Heavy and always have him facing you, it helps, a lot. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 848	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:24:00 - [18] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I am. Then again I'm a Logi CK.0 medic so the patch didn't effect me as much as other logis. 500+ shield 112 armor Proto ARR Proto injector Proto nanohive(R) Proto Focused Repair tool Plenty of Chubbies to chase down and heal I run a very similar fit. I've found the CalLogi to be a master at setting up defensive positions. The hive bonus is huge when you start dropping proto rep hives...about like having an advanced rep tool on you. I've had great success with it so far. I mix the suits fits up as required (balanced, hive specialist, uplink dropper, medic) and build my playstyle around the strenghts of the suit and it's working pretty well. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 824	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:31:00 - [19] - Quote I had every intention of still running minm logi but cloaks quickly turned my plans aside. Then went from saving the SP to see how they changed medium suits to just going all in on commando. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:32:00 - [20] - Quote No team = you're fodder basically. Otherwise the game has a heavy direction of support the heavies and scouts at the moment. You're chances very also based on weapons and positioning. If you have isolation where it's a hallway deal then scrambler rifles and railguns will give you enough offensive metal to last. Otherwise you're kind of screwed; vehicles are typically buffed enough to retreat and before you dish out the repair tool argument most vehicle runners will try to run all the way to the back to hide so running to them unless you're a full time dedicated repair for that vehicle is useless. Nanohives and uplinks are nice too but still if that's what you have going it's a dim world.

I-Shayz-I I-----I 2757	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:33:00 - [21] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. I do all of these things and more, yet scouts just seems to appear out of nowhere and take out our entire squad. It's just that even if I do spot them early on, by the time I've gotten them down to half health they're already within shotgun range of me and then I'm dead. Same thing as I'm playing my heavy. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 706	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:52:00 - [22] - Quote Logi is a bit underwhelming for me now. I went from a Triage focused Minmatar Logistics to a Gallente Logistics focused on Scanners. I don't run Repair Tool anymore and I feel it in-game where I am often in the bottom half of the leaderboard each match now. While my team appreciates my scans, it's rare to get a significant amount of Intel Kill Assists and at 15 WP each they take awhile to add up even if I do. Since Scanners really are scaled back and rare it would be nice to see the WP associated with them get a little love. I doubt it will happen, but dare to dream. Anyway, 1.8 has not been much fun for me so far.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 56	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:58:00 - [23] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. I feel you comrade Shayz. I'm not guilty of ramming people in the face with a shotgun, but from afar with a sniper rifle. Most of all I feel sorry the LogiBros and AssaultLogi's. Found a cloaked Logi once, funny stuff. Probably thought he was a damn slick and sneaky bastard 'til I pegged him with a headshot kill. Btw, cloak doesn't make you OP. Your brain and your skill does. But you already know that, I'm sure. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3795	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:01:00 - [24] - Quote It's weird, it seems that I am a better logibro in a squad than when I'm solo. When I'm solo and playing as a logibro, my game stinks like fresh dog poop. Pre 1.8, I was doing real well as a logibro solo and even much better in a squad. Now when I roll solo, you might see (or not) in a scout suit. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2480	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:02:00 - [25] - Quote My Amarr logi is pretty good, better than my Assault, I'd say. My uplink bonus seems to get me a lot of spawns, and I'm reasonably tanked if I decide I want to chase a heavy around, or if I just want to shoot people. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2408	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:15:00 - [26] - Quote Amarr logi is amazing. The sidearm is so helpful, fast uplinks rake in massive WPs too. I'm quite happy with the patch so far. Cloaking isn't too bad but you need a squad now for sure. Playing solo I die all day to cloaked shotgun scouts :(
Cheydinhal Guard CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 66	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote I know how you feel shayz. These past few days have been torture with alll of these invisibros. Im a galLogi with an ADV scanner and they still don't show up on the radar. Try to keep an eye out for clacked scouts when you are logi-ing. They aren't very hard to spot while moving. The SGs optimal is like 5 meters, so stay about 10 meters away and SG scouts are toast. "1.8 is gonna be filled with fat suits and invisible stick men" - Echo 1991
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 380	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:25:00 - [28] - Quote Well, I'm liking it but you are a much better logi than me so I have no advice to give you. The difference is the experience you are describing now has always been my experience, it seems to have gotten better now, scanners were more my enemy than my friend even though I ran them, good squads had better ones going non-stop, now we are on a little more even footing. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 380	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:34:00 - [29] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. I do all of these things and more, yet scouts just seems to appear out of nowhere and take out our entire squad. It's just that even if I do spot them early on, by the time I've gotten them down to half health they're already within shotgun range of me and then I'm dead. Same thing as I'm playing my heavy. THIS is a problem for me. I see them, shoot them, but they come super fast and get in shotgun range before I can kill them. It's not that I'm missing, I get them right to the edge, they just have too much HP. Because, that's why.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3208	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:49:00 - [30] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I still use the minmatar logi only since beta despite being not happy about CCP removing my fast hacking support. the only upside the patch has is the mass driver buff. it is a support weapon which I often use on my minmatar logi. I simply refuse the join the FOTM scrubs crowd and will continue to play minmatar logi as usual. You lost 5%. Its barely noticeable 5% per level 25% total

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 637	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:00:00 - [31] - Quote 1.)A few tips if solo: -See a shimmer? Run away -See a shimmer running at the group you're with? They are coming for you...Run away -Can't kill a scout?Jump and shoot. -Scout in the room? Mass Driver or grenades,don't worry if you kill yourself just make sure they die too. -Scout peeking at you hinting about a gun duel? Scouts strafe speed is insanely high,run away and use objects to block the line of sight if possible. -Scout appears suddenly? Jump and throw grenades and shooting,but only as a distraction so that you can escape. In a squad without comms? -See 1.) In a squad with comms? -Get everyone to focus on the scout and unleash hell. -Ignore all other enemies untill all scouts are dead. -What if there's a heavy? Kill the scout,don't worry about dying at that point because if you don't kill the scout it'll OHK (one hit kill) you. -Guide your team,TELL them what to do.Logistics is about battle field control and management,if they won't listen withdraw and let them die. I use my Min logi focusing on its strengths,speed and stamina. I have 0 plates but i DO have reps. You have to be faster than FOTM if you're going to survive FOTM. I game over like a boss.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 593	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:10:00 - [32] - Quote Shayz you need a more balanced squad. Get a scout in your squad with good precision and range and you'll have little issues. I know plenty of good Caldari scouts if you want to squad. Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 136	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:23:00 - [33] - Quote I run a sever to start set my uplinks, and spawn in with situational awareness. I have a few different fits depending on how the battle is going and where I want to spawn but yes im enjoying and 1.8, it is not changing anything for me
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 98	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:32:00 - [34] - Quote With the dropsuit respec I had about 9 million SP to spend (I didn't even know I invested that much into dropsuits ) I went straight back into my minmatar logi. With the left over SP I took my electronics and engineering to 5, armor and shield upgrades to 5, and armor repair systems to 5. I have had very great games with the patch, and I've only had a few games where my team was rolled over by cloaked scouts. I always run with my corporation members, so squad play has always been a thing for me. I run with the squad and I organize on where we need to go, and what needs capturing. I can't really focus on map control with my uplinks, but it still opens a gateway for my team to push from. I have much more wiggle room with the pg/cpu reduction from logi suits. I still have my 5 reps a second. All I did was take off a plate. CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:03:00 - [35] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. Well, first off remember that you can fit a cloak too, and with advanced Min logi you can run a decent poor man's scout. Some days...if you can't beat 'em, join em. Secondly, don't despair. There are a lot more scouts out there now but there are also a lot more heavies, and all you really need is One Good Heavy. By good I mean one who basically knows how to play heavy and aim the HMG, who will remember he has a logi with a rep tool behind him, who will work in tandem with you (i.e. try to keep you alive too), and who won't run into kill zones like a douchenoob. Preferably someone in your own corp that you're used to running with. If there aren't enough good heavies in your corp...find another corp today. Third, if you get Precision 5 and fit 2 complex precision enhancers you'll be able to see scouts with dampening 5, as long as theyre not cloaked, damped, and/or Gallente. That doesn't help you with the cloakers but it might help. I don't know. I'm still experimenting with it. Fourth, have three grades of fits. If you're just running with strangers, go in with your cheapest standard suit that still has an advanced repper. If you find a Good Heavy, upgrade to advanced dropsuit with either advanced or proto repper. If you're running with Two Good Heavies (that's what you want all the time!) then try running proto suit and tool. Fifth, if you're soloing pubs, start a public squad that is only for heavies, logis, and scouts and tune it so that you end up with 2 heavies, two logis, and 2 scouts...or at least one of each. Sixth, assuming you're in range to be repping your heavy, NEVER stand still and always be looking around in all directions for cloakers. Practice for this with a scout or logi friend by having them run around near you in your red line. Try to see their shimmer and not let them sneak up on you and tag you with their shotgun before you at least start shooting them. Oh wait...you'll see their chevron. Damn! That was almost genius. Seventh, as much as possible, get from A to B with your heavy in an LAV, preferably one with decent mods for tank, speed, and/or scanning. And there are three seats in an LAV, which brings us to the final point.... Whenever possible, you should travel in a mini-squad of at least 3 AT ALL TIMES. You--the logi--One Good Heavy, and.....a scout (preferably Caldari) fitted for passive scans that will pick up cloaked scouts. As long as the scout hangs near you you'll see what he's seeing on scan and most scouts will be revealed (and owned). Unfortunately the Cal scout is the only one who can see scouts that are double damped (i.e. cloaked Gallente, other scouts that are both dampened and cloaked) because only they can get down to passive scan 18. Other scouts--and maybe Gallente logis, via active scan snapshots...I guess-- can get down to precision 24, which is what you need to detect a scout who is either dampened or cloaked but not both. Try your best to get that trio together whenever you play. It may take some sheepdogging to keep the scout with you and you may need to train that heavy to not act like a medium frame but you'll have success. Tell us how it goes. Try to get a second heavy with you and run a Six Kin.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 323	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:08:00 - [36] - Quote My rate of survival is down significantly currently, but in short yes I'm having fun. I'm already starting to find a new groove though. Paranoia is your friend and ally.
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:13:00 - [37] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: My rate of survival is down significantly currently, but in short yes I'm having fun. I'm already starting to find a new groove though. Paranoia is your friend and ally. Also pretty much what Zax said but with less words. LOL I'll add a tl;dr later. I'm exhausted from writing all that.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:33:00 - [38] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: No team = you're fodder basically. Otherwise the game has a heavy direction of support the heavies and scouts at the moment. You're chances very also based on weapons and positioning. If you have isolation where it's a hallway deal then scrambler rifles and railguns will give you enough offensive metal to last. Otherwise you're kind of screwed; vehicles are typically buffed enough to retreat and before you dish out the repair tool argument most vehicle runners will try to run all the way to the back to hide so running to them unless you're a full time dedicated repair for that vehicle is useless. Nanohives and uplinks are nice too but still if that's what you have going it's a dim world. Lol I remember the days when 2/3 of the players would say that scouts were supposed to be stealthily set up uplinks behind enemy lines and not much else. The same 2/3rds ran slayer logis and used to brag about kdr. Times have changed. Now it's logis that are only good for dropping uplinks and not much else. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 422	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:34:00 - [39] - Quote I've been fairing a lot better. I don't know what it is exactly. Might be the Gallente Heavy death machines I hook my beam into. I've been going positive every match, and my screen is always filled with triage points. I'm running an ADV minmatar logi with a core focus and a BK assault combat rifle. I'm wanting to try the dual beam just to see how efficient it is repping two heavies. After a good fluxking the combat rifle tends to melt people rather quickly. I bring ammo/beam/links or ammo/beam/needle depending on the situation. I rep with my back to my heavy and we rely heavily on communication. If I don't have a heavy to support I run my Minja. We can pickle that.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 463	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:39:00 - [40] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's really stupid that Scouts and Heavies get distinctly unique and appropriate bonuses that apply despite how you choose to fit the suit (e.g scan bonus, stamina, hack speed, damage reduction). This allows them to utilize the suit however they want and still get appropriate bonuses for their roles. Assaults and Logis on the other hand are slapped in the face with these terrible bonuses that only apply to a SINGLE weapon or equipment class, and if you choose to forego that class for something else because you like to customize your suit. Well CCP has decided to give a big **** you. The bonuses are so weak. The stats are hardly justified. Just about everything about medium suits is outclassed by light and heavy frames. Poster board material for the what is wrong with 1.8 discussion . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:45:00 - [41] - Quote Im enjoyign everyone spawning on my uplinks because my armarr logi makes mine the shortest spawn timer. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Dengar Skirata the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 96	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:04:00 - [42] - Quote I'm not sure about logistics suits in 1.8, but I didn't skill back into my Caldari logi. I kept my Caldari assault, and man, it's really hard to compete with these scouts. My biggest problem with assault suits in 1.8 is that the entire suit revolves around its versatility on the battlefield, but its bonuses are ETREMELY specific. // Author of the Dust Spec Ops Tactics Handbook // Proud Member of the Templis Dragonaurs // Caldari Loyalist
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2219	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:14:00 - [43] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. I do well no problem, usually 2k WP a game and I do it in an advanced suit. Link your videos in #Logilove if you tweet. If I am not in the top 5 of 32 then it is because I couldn't find a decent person to logi for. I end up switching to starters and Templar suits but I am not a killer so I only break a few hundred WP. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
jerrmy12 kahoalii 780	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:15:00 - [44] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. Use all highs for complex enhancers... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 294	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:21:00 - [45] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I am. Then again I'm a Logi CK.0 medic so the patch didn't effect me as much as other logis. 500+ shield 112 armor Proto ARR Proto injector Proto nanohive(R) Proto Focused Repair tool Plenty of Chubbies to chase down and heal I have been ro+ºking a standard fitting of the same gear but in a Minnie suit and a magsec. Almost always in top five, and rarely more deaths than kills. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 191	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:27:00 - [46] - Quote FOTM scout with cloak = I bet your not enjoying your logi LOL everyone is running away really quickly? LOL Sad really + all the nerfs to logi drops.. They should have nerfed the passive drops and SP and increased the active ones like repping and scanning.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 32	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:32:00 - [47] - Quote Other than proto logi fittings I feel as If I have been bent over a desk and had a Nanite Injector shoved up my ass Favoring High Latency Is Sh*t
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:56:00 - [48] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st is that if you set your tv to one of the low-res settings (as advised by more than one thread poster not too long ago) to compensate for PC framerate issues, change that sht back, HD will let you see the cloak shimmers. 2nd I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. Corner check always and don't be shy about pinging a couple rounds down/into seemingly "clear" corners or halls. SMG (for clip size) is a good homie here. 3rd This'll sound weird, but in addition to keeping your back against a wall as much as possible while repping, watch behind your group as much as the leash will allow without breaking. And (the maybe weird part) when your heavy is mobile from one area to another be as close as you can behind him, running backwards* so you can guard that fat azz from threats that'll pop out after you two pass. It takes some getting used to, but I've popped or ID'd countless enemies this way while running back and forth with heavies. And remember a 360 degree sphere is your awareness model, cloaks capitalize best on those with "tunnel vision" And, of course, get those passive coreskills up (in case you haven't) for range and amplification, it'll let you get the mods and boost all your suits anyways. I know passive won't pick up everyone but you'll get some of them, and if it saves you so you can save someone else once then its worth it. ^This
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:07:00 - [49] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. I do all of these things and more, yet scouts just seems to appear out of nowhere and take out our entire squad. It's just that even if I do spot them early on, by the time I've gotten them down to half health they're already within shotgun range of me and then I'm dead. Same thing as I'm playing my heavy. Dude I've been there. It will happen but listen....when you see the shimmer or the dampened scout coming at you, don't shoot. Run away! Run to the other side of your heavy from the scout while repping him and calling out the scout's location. Never shoot at them unless you ran from them and they chased you down and you had to keep running and somehow your heavy didn't take them down through all this and you're out of rep range and engaging is the smart choice. Use your speed to your advantage and make the scout chase you down while being sprayed by an HMG. Repeat: do NOT shoot at them. Keep repping your heavy and run away! That's also another reason you should always have the scout filling out your trio. The enemy scout may focus on you and take you down but if your friendly scout survives the engagement he can res you.
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:12:00 - [50] - Quote RydogV wrote: Logi is a bit underwhelming for me now. I went from a Triage focused Minmatar Logistics to a Gallente Logistics focused on Scanners. I don't run Repair Tool anymore and I feel it in-game where I am often in the bottom half of the leaderboard each match now. While my team appreciates my scans, it's rare to get a significant amount of Intel Kill Assists and at 15 WP each they take awhile to add up even if I do. Since Scanners really are scaled back and rare it would be nice to see the WP associated with them get a little love. I doubt it will happen, but dare to dream. Anyway, 1.8 has not been much fun for me so far. Intel scan assist WP need to go up absolutely. They're a lot harder to come by now.

Roxas Shin Hikaru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:26:00 - [51] - Quote Eh. 1.8 is okay. I do miss having an innate armor rep on my Amarr Logi suits. But, yeah. I actually have a couple precision enhancers on my suit and they work out pretty nicely. We all just need to adjust to the shift in gameplay that the cloak has brought to the battle field. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN AND LOOK AROUND PEOPLE. Cloakers aren't that hard to see (unless they're standing still, of course). Medics have a role in the battlefield TOO, you know.
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 115	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:31:00 - [52] - Quote I do quite well. Cloackers are no prob for me. The shimmer is good to spot. And at the moment are a lot of heavies to rep in each match.
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:44:00 - [53] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's really stupid that Scouts and Heavies get distinctly unique and appropriate bonuses that apply despite how you choose to fit the suit (e.g scan bonus, stamina, hack speed, damage reduction). This allows them to utilize the suit however they want and still get appropriate bonuses for their roles. Assaults and Logis on the other hand are slapped in the face with these terrible bonuses that only apply to a SINGLE weapon or equipment class, and if you choose to forego that class for something else because you like to customize your suit. Well CCP has decided to give a big **** you. The bonuses are so weak. The stats are hardly justified. Just about everything about medium suits is outclassed by light and heavy frames. Poster board material for the what is wrong with 1.8 discussion . Yeah they made heavies a lot stronger (though we'll see because I guess their HP will be nerfed?) and they made scout a LOT stronger, while they weakened logis and assaults overall, except for one aspect. Heavies = Could take and give damage well before, now can still dish out damage and can take a lot more. Scouts = Had trouble fitting before and were always getting scanned down, now shadows of death with more HP and either able to see all within 35 meters or be invisible to all Assault = Were the most versatile. Didn't stand out really but neither did anything else so in the end they had a balanced role. Now they have pigeonhole bonuses that stifle their versatility and, unlike lights and heavies, haven't been otherwise buffed so they end up stuck in mediocrity. Basically they're just slower, higher profile, less precision, no scan range, can't cloak versions of scouts right now. Oh they have more HP but that's not helping them at all. Logistics = Were able to perform all logistic roles well and could adapt to situations. Now they've had every logi role diminished but one, which has been made slightly better...and have no passive rep. They've been weakened in several areas, strengthened in one (but not one that helps with survivability) and left to get by with less on a more dangerous battlefield. Medium frames are UP right now. Hopefully efforts will be made to balance the scales.
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 188	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:30:00 - [54] - Quote I just run a full BPO fitting. When i join a random squad that actually knows how to play and talks, then i use my good fitting
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 363	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:34:00 - [55] - Quote no. the heavies i rep are stupid. i'm constantly out of stamina chasing them around it's not even worth it. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:43:00 - [56] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: no. the heavies i rep are stupid. i'm constantly out of stamina chasing them around it's not even worth it. Are you Minmatar? I doubt that would happen if so
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:04:00 - [57] - Quote I'd love to see equipment hp buffed a little bit, they just die way, way too easy right now.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 754	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:09:00 - [58] - Quote Skihids wrote: 5% per level 25% total This would be true in Minmatar Logi suits didn't have an innate bonus to hacking of 20%. So, previous top was 25%, now its a flat 20% regardless of level. 25-20=5% total. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 199	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:12:00 - [59] - Quote IMHO now there is small risk to be killed in battle. I'm ck.0 logi and enjoy the feeling that there is some one near ready to kill me. That makes my game more jumpy Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 363	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:12:00 - [60] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: no. the heavies i rep are stupid. i'm constantly out of stamina chasing them around it's not even worth it. Are you Minmatar? I doubt that would happen if so yea but the heavies i rep are still morons.. i guess i just have high expectations because when i dont play as a logi i try to watch the logis back instead of running away out of his range of rep tool u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189

Rusty Shallows 1328	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:58:00 - [61] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: snip I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. snip If you're running a Core Focussed on anything other than Proto Frame then something important has been sacrificed from your fit. It might be a weapon or tank. With an ADV Mass a driver, two Complex Shield Extenders, and two Enhanced Plates I've been able to win my fair share of shotgun ganks. The lasting emotional trauma of being one shotted by snipers has me in constant motion. That zig zagging actually puts me at an advantage. I only have to estimate or (when possible) draw the shotgunner into my rounds while he still needs to line-up head-shots. The only downside is the shotgunner can do the same dance with a cheaper weapon and if he's a Proto Try-Hard I'll lose. Overall I don't have any complaints. All my fits have one ADV precision enhancer. The the basic rule goes if I can TAC-Net them then they are as good or more dangerous than me. If I can visually see them then anything other than black is weaker than me. Setting my aggression accordingly, it has netted about a 1 KDR and slight ISK gain in the long run. As far as 1.8 goes I am loving my Combat Engineer ALT. He hasn't been this much fun since Chromosome. People see my K-2 Nanohives and suddenly I am everyone's best-friend. Carefully placed uplinks seem to be getting more war points than in the past. Something about the Rep Tool is still buggy but less so, Logi at five has made the Advanced freaking amazing. At times I still use the ADV Quantum Scanner and it's OK, harshly tactical but still better than pretending I'm a pretty ballerina. Squading is definitely important. I don't lone-wolf on the America Server. When being a tourist going solo my kills decrease. Regardless even solo I try to run with groups. Being cautious on spawn points has prolly saved me a few cones as well. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2019	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:38:00 - [62] - Quote I'm an Amarr Logi. But I don't sit around and service the players around me. I set up infrastructure then bring a fight to the enemy. I'll admit the Amarr Logi was a death trap at first. Crossing an open 5m was always death, because it moved so slow. I threw a Kin-kat on the thing, and it's all good now. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 6	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:42:00 - [63] - Quote I m min logi, scout gk0 & scout ck0 . Now i run scout more often ,but i dont see any changes in my logi play style. The only thing that kills my heavy when repping is REs. Run in front of my heavy & scouts will be dead in a second. When i m targeted i try not to die. If i do i dont complain because there always some risk in running logi. Why do you think u get all easy war points? You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
Code Slucid invasion project THE 0 64	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:57:00 - [64] - Quote As one of the top ten logi in this game Being safe from troll & I haven't played in 4 months and haven't cap since december &! atm for weekly WP I have around 97k WP I think with around 330 kills and 2.58 k/d & 4.73 W/L Being a logi sux It way to expensive & if they nerf equipment... why not put the price of equipment down as well? equipment are seriously useless... I barely see any logi So now us true logi have to work way harder equipment by itself can cost more then everything you can mod wise Scout are w/e 2 me but it the cloak that destroying us & rep tool... healing/following a heavy ain't no joke now Once they get own by a scout you have no time to react by how close they are I understand what CCP was trying to do... but they screw logi BIG TIME! to the point where TRUE Logi are leaving to other suit Best tip I can tell people.... never walk alone and always know where you heading cause scouts are watching you
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1469	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:04:00 - [65] - Quote i think its worse asa amar logi.. 1 your main tank is armor..proto shotty..1 shots 700 armor no problem 2 having 2 weapons doesnt help at all...just another slot to fill..as like u said they 2 shot u heavy then 1 shot u..you dont even have time to swap to ur light weapon let alone the sidearm... logi has become the most miserable specc i run...i only use it for pc and only for uplinks as thats the only thing its good for A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:07:00 - [66] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i think its worse asa amar logi.. 1 your main tank is armor..proto shotty..1 shots 700 armor no problem 2 having 2 weapons doesnt help at all...just another slot to fill..as like u said they 2 shot u heavy then 1 shot u..you dont even have time to swap to ur light weapon let alone the sidearm... logi has become the most miserable specc i run...i only use it for pc and only for uplinks as thats the only thing its good for Fodder...don't forget fodder. Currently logis are simply slower assault suits with the ability to add more armor. Other than that, investing on skills seems like another deathtrap because if they can nerf active scanner to the point where it's useless to have invested in it, then anythings possible.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 639	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:54:00 - [67] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i think its worse asa amar logi.. 1 your main tank is armor..proto shotty..1 shots 700 armor no problem 2 having 2 weapons doesnt help at all...just another slot to fill..as like u said they 2 shot u heavy then 1 shot u..you dont even have time to swap to ur light weapon let alone the sidearm... logi has become the most miserable specc i run...i only use it for pc and only for uplinks as thats the only thing its good for Fodder...don't forget fodder. Currently logis are simply slower assault suits with the ability to add more armor. Other than that, investing on skills seems like another deathtrap because if they can nerf active scanner to the point where it's useless to have invested in it, then anythings possible. But active scanners earned that nerf,nanos and rep tools did not. I game over like a boss.
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 87	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:16:00 - [68] - Quote Oh, I'm sorry for murdering you and your Minnie heavy friend. Should've cared to look the other way every now and end. And with Nova Knives, no less.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:52:00 - [69] - Quote Start running the Min FW, because it's time to switch over to the Republic Boundless Repair Tool, reduced my deaths by 50%, and it only reps at around 40 less a second per person, reps 2 people and at over 2 times the range. It is quite nice to occasionally be repairing someone from across the street at damn near core focused levels. However, just keep in mind that no matter what, min logis are the FIRST thing killed after a scout decloaks, you have to realize that since the new build we WILL be dying more.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:57:00 - [70] - Quote Code Slucid wrote: As one of the top ten logi in this game I have to say, I would love to have an actual logi leaderboard, the logistics registry is a joke of a popularity contest.

PIGDOG 7 OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:59:00 - [71] - Quote Saw you running a cloaked proto min commando with assault combat rifle today. Guess you've found your new thing! P.S. I'm going to try it soon. Still going Min logi for 1.8
da master beta Kinsho Swords Caldari State 36	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:23:00 - [72] - Quote The 1.8 update gave me a chance to respec into an Amarr logi suit instead of the Minmatar logi suit. So with the sidearm slot and the Magsec SMG (replacing my Assault Rifle), I've been able to adapt my gameplay to increase my WP and ISK: 1) Now I carry an advanced swarm launcher in my light slot so instead of running away when I see a tank, I run towards it and try to take it out (especially since no one else is carrying swarm launchers). 2) The lack of other loggies and the Amarr bonus means I'm getting more WP from uplinks. If my team is getting hemmed in and slaughtered, I do an end run around the enemy and drop uplinks behind their assault so we can flank them. Since I have the only safe uplink, I rack up the spawn WP. 3) I carry a standard cloak as well. When paired with compact nanohives and stable uplinks, it means I have one suit for infiltrating enemy lines to drop an uplink, then either hack structures or run back to my line. I can still carry my usual compliment of nanite injectors, rep tools, swarm launchers and low-slot items if i want, I just drop my complex shield enhancers and run standard equipment to make it fit. Net result, I may get a handful of kills (~200 WP) but I'll average about 800-1000 WP on uplinks and nanohives per game. My average fitting cost is 45k isk but since I'm getting about 200k-300k isk per match due to my higher WP, I"m making about a million ISK after 5-6 matches. It works for me running solo but if I had to work in a team, I would prolly hate it because my nanohives are exhausted in about 10 seconds, my rep tool range is virtually unusable and the Amarr loggie suit is so slow.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 65	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:35:00 - [73] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. I suggest you get to elevated places near objectives, that are not accessible via ladder. Fly up there with a throwaway DS, set some uplinks and let your team spawn. Stay there as long as possible. Only get to the front if necessary. I think you are now more than ever a 2nd Row guy as a logi. Dont get involved up front too much. Worked okay for me. But these orbitals always get me... Hello I am a casual solo player. Nice to meet you. What? Yes, I really exist! Dust NPE status today: frustrating
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 36	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:25:00 - [74] - Quote Meee One wrote: Gemini Cuspid wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i think its worse asa amar logi.. 1 your main tank is armor..proto shotty..1 shots 700 armor no problem 2 having 2 weapons doesnt help at all...just another slot to fill..as like u said they 2 shot u heavy then 1 shot u..you dont even have time to swap to ur light weapon let alone the sidearm... logi has become the most miserable specc i run...i only use it for pc and only for uplinks as thats the only thing its good for Fodder...don't forget fodder. Currently logis are simply slower assault suits with the ability to add more armor. Other than that, investing on skills seems like another deathtrap because if they can nerf active scanner to the point where it's useless to have invested in it, then anythings possible. But active scanners earned that nerf,nanos and rep tools did not. Amarr Logis are the main cause of the Logi nerf. Too many people running the death logi fit instead of properly logi'ing Favoring High Latency Is Sh*t
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 202	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:02:00 - [75] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. Am I having fun in 1.8? ...heh heh.........hehhehehh.....hehehehehhehehh.....ahahahahahhaha.......HAHHAHAHAHhahahahaHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Tanker alt -- Quasar Storm Director of PAND3M0N1UM Medical Vending Machine^^Nanite Delight
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 76	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:22:00 - [76] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. Yup. lower ttk is great can rep heavies 4 days. It also helps that most of the red berry population shoots at the guy getting repped and not the logi. I'm having more fun then ever as a logo, killing cloaked scouts all over. -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 315	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:44:00 - [77] - Quote problem with being a logi is that you only have the one weapon - unless you're amar
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2764	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:01:00 - [78] - Quote PIGDOG 7 wrote: Saw you running a cloaked proto min commando with assault combat rifle today. Guess you've found your new thing! P.S. I'm going to try it soon. I'm uploading that match as we speak. It was designed as a test to see if cloaks work on commandos, then I ended up running sentinel because I kept getting shoot in the face by shotguns. I've been struggling with the minmatar heavy for a while, but I think I finally figured it out. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Will Driver Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:38:00 - [79] - Quote Enjoying the patch but playing Logi only sparingly now. Mostly Commando and a little Scout to go with some occasional Logi play. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:07:00 - [80] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Always face your Heavy and always have him facing you, it helps, a lot. But, in FW, slightly off to the side. :-) Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:08:00 - [81] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st is that if you set your tv to one of the low-res settings (as advised by more than one thread poster not too long ago) to compensate for PC framerate issues, change that sht back, HD will let you see the cloak shimmers. 2nd I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. Corner check always and don't be shy about pinging a couple rounds down/into seemingly "clear" corners or halls. SMG (for clip size) is a good homie here. 3rd This'll sound weird, but in addition to keeping your back against a wall as much as possible while repping, watch behind your group as much as the leash will allow without breaking. And (the maybe weird part) when your heavy is mobile from one area to another be as close as you can behind him, running backwards* so you can guard that fat azz from threats that'll pop out after you two pass. It takes some getting used to, but I've popped or ID'd countless enemies this way while running back and forth with heavies. And remember a 360 degree sphere is your awareness model, cloaks capitalize best on those with "tunnel vision" And, of course, get those passive coreskills up (in case you haven't) for range and amplification, it'll let you get the mods and boost all your suits anyways. I know passive won't pick up everyone but you'll get some of them, and if it saves you so you can save someone else once then its worth it. Excellent tips. Thank you. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:13:00 - [82] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. I do all of these things and more, yet scouts just seems to appear out of nowhere and take out our entire squad. It's just that even if I do spot them early on, by the time I've gotten them down to half health they're already within shotgun range of me and then I'm dead. Same thing as I'm playing my heavy. I feel like shotguns need a SMALL nerf to balance out the extra stealth & speed combo that Scouts enjoy currently. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2552	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:26:00 - [83] - Quote I'm still doing OK, did have to totally revamp all my fittings with reppers and the occasional kin cat. It helps (a lot) that I frequently used scout suits for uplink flanking runs so all my "scouty" skills like dampening, precision, and range are level 4 or 5. I also swapped my complex damage mods to enhanced or basic (or none) and added some precision enhancers. I don't see all scouts, of course, but enough that the mediocre ones don't totally gank me all the time. It took some time though, I didn't play at all for the first 3-4 days of 1.8 so my first day or two I was cursing nonstop because it was like a different game all of a sudden. Which is pretty cool, really. I will tell you one thing, though: I do not run logi a whole lot solo any more. There is some good WP potential now that we are the new "unicorns" of Dust, but I use scouts or sentinels, outside of a squad an Amarr logi is a slow ass sitting duck with a "shotgun me" sign above it's head. BTW, while it's odd to be the one with the rep tool while you are in an Amarr suit, nice to see you in Amarr FW with an LR last night Shayz. Guess you have seen the "light" in more ways than one... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2787	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:24:00 - [84] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: BTW, while it's odd to be the one with the rep tool while you are in an Amarr suit, nice to see you in Amarr FW with an LR last night Shayz. Guess you have seen the "light" in more ways than one... It's funny... My favorite suits are the minmatar, but my favorite weapons are Amarr. But then Amarr weapons work best on Amarr suits so I have skills in those...and Minmatar weapons work well with minmatar suits so I have skills there too. Currently: Min Logi 5 Min Sent 3 (eventually 5) Min Commando 3 Amarr Assault 3 Amarr Sent 3 Amarr Commando 3 CR prof 4 Mass Driver prof 4 HMG prof 4 SR prof 5 Laser prof 3 (just got this) Amarr heavy weapon prof 4 (skilling into this first thing after it comes out) I was playing FW because we squadded up with a bunch of other commandos, but that was a rarity you saw me there because if you can't already tell, FW is hard for me...lol Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 205	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:24:00 - [85] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now. Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do. It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted. I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again. Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself. dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now. In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it. I like doing logi work this patch. It's still just as fun. The min rep tool bonus is very nice. As for the scouts and their cloaks, it doesn't matter what role you are playing as...they are just as annoying. And I do hate the fact that a lot of people I run with have switched to scouting, leaves me and my rep tool kind of lost on the field. I have found success running with a commando, they are more mobile then the heavies and can still stack a decent amount of armor to be repaired.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2556	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:40:00 - [86] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: BTW, while it's odd to be the one with the rep tool while you are in an Amarr suit, nice to see you in Amarr FW with an LR last night Shayz. Guess you have seen the "light" in more ways than one... It's funny... My favorite suits are the minmatar, but my favorite weapons are Amarr. But then Amarr weapons work best on Amarr suits so I have skills in those...and Minmatar weapons work well with minmatar suits so I have skills there too. Currently: Min Logi 5 Min Sent 3 (eventually 5) Min Commando 3 Amarr Assault 3 Amarr Sent 3 Amarr Commando 3 CR prof 4 Mass Driver prof 4 HMG prof 4 SR prof 5 Laser prof 3 (just got this) Amarr heavy weapon prof 4 (skilling into this first thing after it comes out) I was playing FW because we squadded up with a bunch of other commandos, but that was a rarity you saw me there because if you can't already tell, FW is hard for me...lol Good luck with your identity crisis, lol. But, there is hope for your soul yet... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 123	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:13:00 - [87] - Quote First couple of days were interesting. Loads of people were running scout and cloak. It seems to me more people are migrating to the sentinel and commando suits atm or it could just be the matches I end up in. Soloing as a logi has got harder but I think that is a good thing as a logi should excel as part of a good squad/team. I went back to Minnie logi, the rep tool bonus is good in the current climate of racial heavy suits. After I went to the amarr logi, everyone loves 3 second links. I'm sure anyone who was a good logi before will still be now it just takes a bit of time sometimes to adapt and it helps if you remain open minded about your fittings. There is lots of good advice in here pick what you feel is relevant and use it to your advantage. Oh and try and have fun, it helps. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 554	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:22:00 - [88] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: 1st is that if you set your tv to one of the low-res settings (as advised by more than one thread poster not too long ago) to compensate for PC framerate issues, change that sht back, HD will let you see the cloak shimmers. 2nd I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. Corner check always and don't be shy about pinging a couple rounds down/into seemingly "clear" corners or halls. SMG (for clip size) is a good homie here. 3rd This'll sound weird, but in addition to keeping your back against a wall as much as possible while repping, watch behind your group as much as the leash will allow without breaking. And (the maybe weird part) when your heavy is mobile from one area to another be as close as you can behind him, running backwards* so you can guard that fat azz from threats that'll pop out after you two pass. It takes some getting used to, but I've popped or ID'd countless enemies this way while running back and forth with heavies. And remember a 360 degree sphere is your awareness model, cloaks capitalize best on those with "tunnel vision" And, of course, get those passive coreskills up (in case you haven't) for range and amplification, it'll let you get the mods and boost all your suits anyways. I know passive won't pick up everyone but you'll get some of them, and if it saves you so you can save someone else once then its worth it. Excellent tips. Thank you. Definately the best advice of the thread.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:22:00 - [89] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: no. the heavies i rep are stupid. i'm constantly out of stamina chasing them around it's not even worth it. Are you Minmatar? I doubt that would happen if so yea but the heavies i rep are still morons.. i guess i just have high expectations because when i dont play as a logi i try to watch the logis back instead of running away out of his range of rep tool Mic is your friend. That way you can yell at the dumb fatties. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED


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