Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now.

Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do.

It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted.

I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again.

Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself.

dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now.

In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it.

My rate of survival is down significantly currently, but in short yes I'm having fun. I'm already starting to find a new groove though. Paranoia is your friend and ally.


Also pretty much what Zax said but with less words.

No team = you're fodder basically. Otherwise the game has a heavy direction of support the heavies and scouts at the moment. You're chances very also based on weapons and positioning. If you have isolation where it's a hallway deal then scrambler rifles and railguns will give you enough offensive metal to last.

Otherwise you're kind of screwed; vehicles are typically buffed enough to retreat and before you dish out the repair tool argument most vehicle runners will try to run all the way to the back to hide so running to them unless you're a full time dedicated repair for that vehicle is useless. Nanohives and uplinks are nice too but still if that's what you have going it's a dim world.

It's really stupid that Scouts and Heavies get distinctly unique and appropriate bonuses that apply despite how you choose to fit the suit (e.g scan bonus, stamina, hack speed, damage reduction). This allows them to utilize the suit however they want and still get appropriate bonuses for their roles.

Assaults and Logis on the other hand are slapped in the face with these terrible bonuses that only apply to a SINGLE weapon or equipment class, and if you choose to forego that class for something else because you like to customize your suit. Well CCP has decided to give a big **** you.

The bonuses are so weak. The stats are hardly justified. Just about everything about medium suits is outclassed by light and heavy frames.

Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now.

Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do.

It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted.

I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again.

Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself.

dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now.

In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it.

Please tell me how you are doing it. I'm desperate right now.

Every time I play I'm constantly killed by cloaked scouts...even with precision enhancers I still can't see the majority of them and I seriously don't know what to do.

It's ruining my gameplay experience, I can't play any other roll, and so many players run scout now who don't need logisical support that my efforts are wasted.

I mean I pull out a core focused on my minmatar logi and all of a sudden a scout comes and kills my heavy is 2 shots without even trying, then one shot to my face and I'm dead again.

Do you run precision enhancers to try and counter scouts? are you having more luck with a specific type of scanner? I just seriously can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds out of spawn even with a group of heavies because of how fast I die in 1.8. Even if I survive a scout attack the next guy kills me with his militia AR because I only have 50 armor left. Some of these scouts even have more HP than I do, making it even harder to defend myself.

dampeners? range amplifiers? I'm at a loss and I'm about to give up on logistics all together because of how impossible for me it is now.

In 1.7 I loved how fun it was for me to support the team, and now it doesn't even seem worth it.

I am. Then again I'm a Logi CK.0 medic so the patch didn't effect me as much as other logis.

500+ shield
112 armor
Proto ARR
Proto injector
Proto nanohive(R)
Proto Focused Repair tool

Plenty of Chubbies to chase down and heal

1st is that if you set your tv to one of the low-res settings (as advised by more than one thread poster not too long ago) to compensate for PC framerate issues, change that sh*t back, HD will let you see the cloak shimmers.

2nd I'd say we really need to be aware in a 360 degree sphere around ourselves and our squad now more than ever. Corner check always and don't be shy about pinging a couple rounds down/into seemingly "clear" corners or halls. SMG (for clip size) is a good homie here.

3rd This'll sound weird, but in addition to keeping your back against a wall as much as possible while repping, watch behind your group as much as the leash will allow without breaking. And (the maybe weird part) when your heavy is mobile from one area to another be as close as you can behind him, running backwards so you can guard that fat azz from threats that'll pop out after you two pass. It takes some getting used to, but I've popped or ID'd countless enemies this way while running back and forth with heavies.

And remember a 360 degree sphere is your awareness model, cloaks capitalize best on those with "tunnel vision"

And, of course, get those passive coreskills up (in case you haven't) for range and amplification, it'll let you get the mods and boost all your suits anyways. I know passive won't pick up everyone but you'll get some of them, and if it saves you so you can save someone else once then its worth it.

I do all of these things and more, yet scouts just seems to appear out of nowhere and take out our entire squad.

It's just that even if I do spot them early on, by the time I've gotten them down to half health they're already within shotgun range of me and then I'm dead.

Same thing as I'm playing my heavy.

Logi is a bit underwhelming for me now. I went from a Triage focused Minmatar Logistics to a Gallente Logistics focused on Scanners. I don't run Repair Tool anymore and I feel it in-game where I am often in the bottom half of the leaderboard each match now. While my team appreciates my scans, it's rare to get a significant amount of Intel Kill Assists and at 15 WP each they take awhile to add up even if I do. Since Scanners really are scaled back and rare it would be nice to see the WP associated with them get a little love. I doubt it will happen, but dare to dream.

Anyway, 1.8 has not been much fun for me so far.

Poster board material for the what is wrong with 1.8 discussion .

no. the heavies i rep are stupid. i'm constantly out of stamina chasing them around it's not even worth it.

5% per level

25% total

Are you Minmatar? I doubt that would happen if so