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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:02:00 -
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CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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The Eristic
Sad Panda Solutions
318
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:04:00 -
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The base HP is low enough, just add penalties for stacking HP mods on lights. |
Rusty Shallows
1310
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:04:00 -
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You might want to change that thread title a little.... my Minja almost sent you to hell. 
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
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darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
666
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:06:00 -
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its just gallente
And its just shotguns
Dont nerf everything because of one combo
Also a reminder HEAVIES are more of a problem
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
839
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:17:00 -
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The problem is that there is no differentiation between dropsuit HP modules. Imagine an LAV with a 120 MM plate or a Covert Frigate with an XL Armor Plate. That is basically the problem with dropsuits: a Complex Shield Extender is 66 Shields and a Basic Plate is 85 Armor regardless of what suit you are in. This means that the differences in HP between the base suits are fairly meaningless unless it is far and away larger like in the case of the Sentinel.
Perhaps there should be some differences between Plates and Extenders depending what suit you are using, just as part of the role bonus. Because, as it stands, 66 HP for a Scout is like half of their base shields, less than a third for Assaults, and about an eighth for Sentinels.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3775
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:22:00 -
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So the same guy who ranted on and on about how Dust sucked, making multiple threads trying to convince people that Planetside 2 is the future, now makes a thread wanting CCP to nerf scout HP?
Hilarious.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1038
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:39:00 -
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Min Scout here
If I don't add some protection I have only 125 shields max - What the hell do you expect me do to do without the ability to add more health?
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
949
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:49:00 -
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why in the world do you want scout to become thiner than paper, my min scout rarely has tank and i speed and E-war tank so i dont stack hp at all
Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior
jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
309
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:07:00 -
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A nerf scout thread. This is a sight to behold. Finally. Whew!
[edit] To my scoutly bros: we did it! We finally got there. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1741
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:15:00 -
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My Scout GK.0 has a profile damp, range amplifier, kincat, and cardiac regulator in its lows. For its highs, it has 2 shields.
In total, it's eHP is at a whopping 395. It's not brick tanked and the build is fairly Scouty. |
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
311
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:21:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:My Scout GK.0 has a profile damp, range amplifier, kincat, and cardiac regulator in its lows. For its highs, it has 2 shields.
In total, it's eHP is at a whopping 395. It's not brick tanked and the build is fairly Scouty.
Fairly scouty? Doesn't get more scouty than that methinks.
[edit] except for a shotty / pistol / knives ;-) |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1039
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:28:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:My Scout GK.0 has a profile damp, range amplifier, kincat, and cardiac regulator in its lows. For its highs, it has 2 shields.
In total, it's eHP is at a whopping 395. It's not brick tanked and the build is fairly Scouty.
Compared to the best build my suit can make thats a tank. 
Damned Cal scouts
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
397
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:30:00 -
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Me thinks people in this game dont really understand what a 'scout' actually is. Then again I guess CCP is partly to blame as they named the class. |
Enkidu Camuel
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
167
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:34:00 -
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Cal scout here and my low slots are filled with damps and range amps.
Major DUST fact.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
312
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:34:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Me thinks people in this game dont really understand what a 'scout' actually is. Then again I guess CCP is partly to blame as they named the class.
It's true you could say the description doesn't really describe the name. However it doesn't really matter, if you can make a valid fit, it's a scout. Doesn't have to fit *my* opinion of what a scout *should* be. Because sandbox. |
Type 2910 MK-II
The United Peoples' Tactical Force
49
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:05:00 -
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Well since we are talking about plates why not make basic Adv and proto plates for each suit. Light basic, enhanced and complex, medium basic, enhanced and complex and finally heavy basic, enhanced and complex. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
959
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:25:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So the same guy who ranted on and on about how Dust sucked, making multiple threads trying to convince people that Planetside 2 is the future, now makes a thread wanting CCP to nerf scout HP?
Hilarious.
You know what else is hilarious: ppl talking out of their S. I don't even know what PS2 is - never played it.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
959
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:27:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Min Scout here
If I don't add some protection I have only 125 shields max - What the hell do you expect me do to do without the ability to add more health?
Lol sneak up on ppl with knives, it does not take any health. With stealth mod you simply don't get shot at. 
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
3939
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:27:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:You might want to change that thread title a little.... my Minja almost sent you to hell.
Same here.
I have 357 eHP at Proto, is that low enough for you!?!?
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
959
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:28:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:why in the world do you want scout to become thiner than paper, my min scout rarely has tank and i speed and E-war tank so i dont stack hp at all
So you don't take advantage of possibility to brick tank. Granted it's tougher on min scout to begin with. So this thread is not about you.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
436
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:29:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank.
Which is different from nerfing HP.
How about light frames can't use regular armour plates?
The Ghost of Bravo
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
960
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:31:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:You might want to change that thread title a little.... my Minja almost sent you to hell. Same here. I have 357 eHP at Proto, is that low enough for you!?!?
Yeah, we prolly should all talk about you instead!?!? Cuz that's a much more interesting topic to everyone.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
960
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:31:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:[quote=Ludvig Enraga]CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank.
Which is different from nerfing HP.
How about light frames can't use regular armour plates?[/quote
I like it.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
76
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:56:00 -
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I just checked it out on protofits.com and for about 9.5m sp You can run a G.ko with about 1k hp.. Here's a pic. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickgko_zps6bf261d3.png |
BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
76
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:59:00 -
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You effectively have an assault 2.0. It can run faster than a medium suite with that much health and it can cloak. |
Umma Kabula
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
12
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:01:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Yan Darn wrote:[quote=Ludvig Enraga]CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. Which is different from nerfing HP. How about light frames can't use regular armour plates?[/quote I like it.
2 issues here, 1 is the fact tha basic plates give you a lot of hp with only a little cpu/pg need, the other is the chance to have more or less the same hp that a medium suit can have while wearing a cloak.
I think that anyone can fit his dropsuit as he desires, I have some "tanked" fit to stick with the squad if it's needed.
Probably the speed reduction on plates should affect more scouts than others, so if you want to brick tank you can do it, but you become way slower.
The problem is not about brick tanked scouts in general, but about brick tanked scouts WITH a cloack.
Scouts have lower hp due to their speed and profile reduction. Cloaks should work in the same way.
If you don't want to pump up your bonuses with electronics and speed modules that's your choice and it affects your playstyle.
Chance to fit your suit with what you want is good far variety.
Brick tanking a cloaked scout lets you play like a moron.
That's bad for everyone
thnx for all the fish!
Umma Kabula, Wolfgang Tee Funk, Il Gallo Cedrone. Sono uno e trino.
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Princess Abi-Hime
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
1307
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:04:00 -
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:( my proto cal scout already only gets about 420ehp with my lows all complex dampeners and 1 high used for precision enhancers. Y u do dis?
The Metalhead Mercenary
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4532
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:07:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:The base HP is low enough, just add penalties for stacking HP mods on lights.
Shield penalty: longer shield recharge delay
Armor penalty for most plates: movement speed penalty
Penalties are already in place.
I am your scan error.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
2878
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:08:00 -
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Wait...new stealth play style? I've been stealthy wayyyyy before cloaks.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
368
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:09:00 -
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Yep, guess I just must be a brick tank scout as I use two armor plates because I actually like a bit of a fallback in case my stealth attacks go awry.
Who would even sit and just put only all armor and shields on a scout suit anyway?
Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
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