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Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 955	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:02:00 - [1] - Quote CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 959	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:25:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So the same guy who ranted on and on about how Dust sucked, making multiple threads trying to convince people that Planetside 2 is the future, now makes a thread wanting CCP to nerf scout HP? Hilarious. You know what else is hilarious: ppl talking out of their S. I don't even know what PS2 is - never played it. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 959	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:27:00 - [3] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Min Scout here If I don't add some protection I have only 125 shields max - What the hell do you expect me do to do without the ability to add more health? Lol sneak up on ppl with knives, it does not take any health. With stealth mod you simply don't get shot at. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 959	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:28:00 - [4] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: why in the world do you want scout to become thiner than paper, my min scout rarely has tank and i speed and E-war tank so i dont stack hp at all So you don't take advantage of possibility to brick tank. Granted it's tougher on min scout to begin with. So this thread is not about you. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 960	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:31:00 - [5] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: You might want to change that thread title a little.... my Minja almost sent you to hell. Same here. I have 357 eHP at Proto, is that low enough for you!?!? Yeah, we prolly should all talk about you instead!?!? Cuz that's a much more interesting topic to everyone. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 960	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: [quote=Ludvig Enraga]CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. Which is different from nerfing HP. How about light frames can't use regular armour plates?[/quote I like it. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 964	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:46:00 - [7] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: :( my proto cal scout already only gets about 420ehp with my lows all complex dampeners and 1 high used for precision enhancers. Y u do dis? I would argue that 420 hp is not bad for a cloaked suit and you pointed out the weakness - while having still SOME reasonable hp while cloaked you get to run powerful eWar modules. This is just too much. Too many things in one packages - like the old logis. When you get to have everything you want on a suit w/o having to compromise, you have an OP set up. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 964	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:47:00 - [8] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Wait...new stealth play style? I've been stealthy wayyyyy before cloaks. Again this is awesome... Wait, let me start a separate thread about how awesome you've always been. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 964	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:48:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The Eristic wrote: The base HP is low enough, just add penalties for stacking HP mods on lights. Shield penalty: longer shield recharge delay Armor penalty for most plates: movement speed penalty Penalties are already in place. Obviously they are not enough as ppl successfully run massive hp fast gal scouts. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:52:00 - [10] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: My most commonly used fit is a G-Scout with a codebreaker, dampener, and precision mod in the lows. An extender and a range amp in the highs. Most real scouts actually like to use there fits like they are meant to be used and so a nurf to the scouts' HP wouldn't really be beneficial for balance. I suppose you could turn the plates to a % boost so that the mid and heavy frames receive more HP then lights. Problem is that this could end up nurfing the mids even more or making the heavies OP if done incorrectly. you have a mistake there as to what goes where in the loadout but I see your point. I don't agree with it though. If you nerfed ability to stack high HP you would actually weed out FOTM crowd who run scouts now as fast stealth assaults; folks who use tactics and eWar will stay where they are. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Min Scout here If I don't add some protection I have only 125 shields max - What the hell do you expect me do to do without the ability to add more health? Lol sneak up on ppl with knives, it does not take any health. With stealth mod you simply don't get shot at. I can't imagine you knife. It simply doesn't work as a viable tactic. I am a stealthy player and an average knifer and its pathetic trying to knife in this game without having major advantages and a lot of luck. Not saying its not possible to primary knives but its very niche and the mechanics are incredibly frustrating. So its not unreasonable to allow for other methods of combat. Also, with cal scouts around knifing is next to impossible as we have to pull out our range amps for damps and loose all situational awareness Edit: Also, invisible Gëá immunity to bullets. were not even invisible It's possible man. It's a skill you gotta develop. If you put time and experimentation into it you'll see the truth of it. If you are not running knives I don't see why run minja at all. I am not saying you can do well with knives in ambush where it's all about blobbing but on maps where red dots spread out some you can do really well. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:57:00 - [12] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Brick tanking isn't a scout centric problem. It's an overall problem in the game. Logis brick tank. Scouts brick tank. Assaults brick tank. Heavies brick tank. Everybody brick tanks because it's easy. It's not the suit. Maybe we should consider the fact that armor plates add so much health and require so little resources. The penalties for dual tanking are slim to none so everybody is going to brick tank. The problem though is that a brick tanked scout comes close in hp to a medium frame but has the advantage of a cloak. This is game breaking in the sense that it makes no sense anymore to run medium frames/ assaults - last week they were FOTM of 1.5 years, now ppl shy away from them. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:01:00 - [13] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. Scouts are useful now. Get over it. Scouts are OP now, get over it. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:03:00 - [14] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So the same guy who ranted on and on about how Dust sucked, making multiple threads trying to convince people that Planetside 2 is the future, now makes a thread wanting CCP to nerf scout HP? Hilarious. You know what else is hilarious: ppl talking out of their S. I don't even know what PS2 is - never played it. lol stop lying. This is your alt character. Your primary got banned and you went on a tirade, opening up multiple threads saying Dust will die and that you were moving on to PS2. You put on quite a dramatic show. lol yeah? And you robbed a bank and hid the money in your mom's basement. Don't try to deny it. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:05:00 - [15] - Quote SPACE SYPHILIS wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. I can agree somewhat. I am heavy first but I also have a proto scout and yes I can run a scout very well just do not like the squishy feel. So anyways the problem is the cloak needs a charge time and a deplete time is all. You cloak and then you only have so long to use it, once it is used there is a cool down before use no matter how long you use it, once used it has a mandatory cool down. That should solve the issue of abuse. That's an opinion that I can share. I do like the converse tho a lot more. Let scouts keep their stealth - if for no other reason, to keep the game fun but nerf HP as it really turns a scout into an assault. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 965	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:10:00 - [16] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: You might want to change that thread title a little.... my Minja almost sent you to hell. Same here. I have 357 eHP at Proto, is that low enough for you!?!? Yeah, we prolly should all talk about you instead!?!? Cuz that's a much more interesting topic to everyone. Why whatever do you mean What I mean is that I did not start this thread to talk about what fit your personally use. When you say that you run a naked proto with 180 eHP it does not prove anything, except for one thing that you personally don't stack hp. I have no interest in talking about what you do or not. I wanted to talk about the problem in the game: that it's possible to stack a lot of hp on a cloaked suit. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 968	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:29:00 - [17] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: CCP went too far and gave scouts too many advantages. I am a scout and I like the new stealth play style but the ability to brick tank scouts and cloak at the same time hurts the game balance badly. Keep the stealth, cut down ability to brick tank. I run 2 percision enh, two speed mods, two dampeners, 87 shields/ 167 armor, are your for fakkin real dude? gdi, another one. This thread is not about you; it's about that scout next to you who does brick tank. I think I've said it like 7 times already in this thread. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 968	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:47:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: So why not just make the suggestion that cpu/pg of armor needs to be increased, and stop whining about scouts? Thanks for being the bigger man and pointing out the obvious. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 970	Posted - 2014.03.31 03:15:00 - [19] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: One Eyed King wrote: So why not just make the suggestion that cpu/pg of armor needs to be increased, and stop whining about scouts? Because that will break Assaults, which are already struggling to brick-tank more effectively than a Scout can. The problem isn't that Scouts are OP though, it's that Assaults need a slight buff. Add an extra slot or two on the Assault suits (along with enough PG and CPU to use them) and make Assaults the flexible and adaptable suits they're meant to be. Logis don't need massive amounts of fitting slots, they have flexibility in equipment. They could stand to lose some slots and PG/CPU in exchange for a bit of extra HP. You see ppl keep saying that scouts are fine but assaults need a buff; I think that scouts could be nerfed a bit to bring them in balance with assaults and we'd be better off. If you buff assaults, heavies would be UP and the whole cycle would repeat. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 970	Posted - 2014.03.31 03:24:00 - [20] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: You see ppl keep saying that scouts are fine but assaults need a buff; I think that scouts could be nerfed a bit to bring them in balance with assaults and we'd be better off. If you buff assaults, heavies would be UP and the whole cycle would repeat. Except that Heavies wouldn't be UP because if you're an Assault player, Scouts, Heavies and Logis all look OP right now, and if you're any other suit except an Assault, it all looks pretty balanced except that Assault players seem to suck. So... buff Assaults SLIGHTLY - not too much - and it makes the game more balanced. Ok, I don't know for sure I have not been playing all that much to get a good handle on relative class strengths. Maybe you are right. I still do think that gal scout with tons of hp and SG is OP relative to other classes; mind you as a min scout I don't suffer at their hands, so no hidden agenda. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.