or they just listened to the plethora of tank whiners.

they definately didn't listen to infantry because we didn't ask for any of this, but I know tankers asked for all of these changes.

- remove red line rails my blaster dies once in awhile. check

- madruger tanks are to survivable my blaster tank can't kill them when they are repping with double hardners. check

sorry if it's not exactly what you tankers wished for maybe you should of been more specific and got a union.

I'm sure tankers were asking to have their hardeners become next to useless, and I'm sure only tankers complained about redline campers.

Your analysis is spot on, second to none: scholarly, if I do say so myself.

infantry wanted av buffed and blasters nerfed, infantry doesn't give a **** about red line rail guns, it's solely a tanker issue thus why it got addressed.

blaster versus blaster tank was silly they just stood their attacking each other while waiting for the mods to run out and passive reps won it, again not an infantry issue their av couldn't kill them either way.

you can deny it all you want the only thing that was addressed were tanker issues, maybe if forge guns weren't nerfed and actually worked they'd enjoy the hardener nerf but that's about the only part that effects infantry.

as usual dust fiend shouldn't you of quit already?

Did we want our hardeners nerfed? It was infantry who all cried that they couldn't take out tanks, solo. You must engage the tank when the hardener is not online. In the case of the shield tank, you need high alpha *cough*forge*cough* to take out as much shield as you can before the hardener gets kicked in. But then they have little shields left because unlike armor tanks, shield tanks don't have a buffer to safely protect their hardened EHP.

Did we want our hardeners nerfed? It was infantry who all cried that they couldn't take out tanks, solo. You must engage the tank when the hardener is not online. In the case of the shield tank, you need high alpha *cough*forge*cough* to take out as much shield as you can before the hardener gets kicked in. But then they have little shields left because unlike armor tanks, shield tanks don't have a buffer to safely protect their hardened EHP.

tankers should of known that when ccp does something they usually do collateral damage.

they are the embodiment of "careful what you wish for" i'm just surprised they didn't do more damage ^^

A slight AV adjustment would have been a much better solution. I blame tankers for the hardener Nerf. If they weren't such a dishonest cowardly lot we could have had a decent solution. Personally I don't notice much of a difference in the shield hardener. The Armor hardener was a perk.

take comfort that during every engagement you enter you will be weaker. You could have been honest and helped AVget fixed. The odds are you would be facing Bad Ass AV some of the time. now you are weaker 100% of the time. Stupid.

All of my likes, you may have them.

or they just listened to the plethora of tank whiners.

they definately didn't listen to infantry because we didn't ask for any of this, but I know tankers asked for all of these changes.

- remove red line rails my blaster dies once in awhile. check

- madruger tanks are to survivable my blaster tank can't kill them when they are repping with double hardners. check

sorry if it's not exactly what you tankers wished for maybe you should of been more specific and got a union.

or they just listened to the plethora of tank whiners.

they definately didn't listen to infantry because we didn't ask for any of this, but I know tankers asked for all of these changes.

- remove red line rails my blaster dies once in awhile. check

- madruger tanks are to survivable my blaster tank can't kill them when they are repping with double hardners. check

sorry if it's not exactly what you tankers wished for maybe you should of been more specific and got a union.

NONONONONONONONONONONO I asked for none of this what I asked for was:
Tiered Modules 30%/45%/60%
Unstupid core skills Example you could only get to that 60% by not only sinking sp into Shield modules but another bonus so bonus would make it from 50% to 60%. Other Coreskills that enhance damage + Passive bonuses
My Scattered Ion Cannon that way blasters could at least compete with Dual rep/Dual Hard
Maybe a slight speed nerf
and a 5% AV buff across the board
and special AV damage mods so they could retain their 10% DMG mods

What in the hell? It still amazes me that people would blame tankers.

Last I checked, it's not the tankers up there making the final decisions. CCP is responsible for everything that happens with imbalances.

And you call us cowardly, a whole lot of us, WERE ON YOUR SIDE. I was a vehicle user before 1.7 and choose to remain one after 1.7. Cowardly for making a role choice? Are you fing kidding me.

Get off the forums, child, and grow yourself a brain. Ever is it that you would like to place the blame on others, ever think it was your own indifference or inaction.

Nope, blame it on the tankers. You want a few people with wildly unpopular ideas speak for tankers as a whole. Can you really not see how shortsighted you are? It's ok, I already think very little of you as is. You can be honest here.

Kind of a ironic really, don't you think? When the pendulum had swung the other way and AV was overpowered all AV players were blamed and called out rather then a vocal few. Not accusing you personally but just an observation.

I wanted and called for Tanks/AV to be rebalanced pre 1.7, as I do with all roles that have no place or are UP, and yes it is CCP that makes the final decision, but they don't do it without paying attention to collected data and the current state of the forums. I easily noticed more tankers just calling complaints about the Tank/AV balance QQ or finding it funny rather then Tankers actually calling for balance. In fact I can probably count the number of tankers on my hand that don't enjoy the current balance and are vocal about it.

So please, your statements and insults are wasted; if Darkens comment and my like thereof offended you then perhaps you should "get off the forums, child." and take things less personally. Darken was referring to the most vocal and cowardly of tankers on the forums along with those who spam blaster tank after blaster tank with no care of how imbalanced it currently is; not those who see said imbalance and speak up about it. He could have worded it to imply this better but really, did him not doing so get your blood boiling so? Do I wish this situation in which all of a role are blamed rather then the few was different? Absolutely. However I also wish everyone didn't see Assaults as COD players who wanna kill everything with an AR, Logi's as FotM chasing slayers, Etc.

CCP prefers to treat the symptom rather than the sickness.

Probably just stack 2 extenders and 1 hardener now? IDK.

Not a lot you can do when the sickness is actually the players.

HAH, good one fella. I'm glad it was something verbose, rather than a short F you.

I've been on the forums a while now, and yes. It get's my blood boiling when someone calls out tankers as a whole (given the context of how he said it).

And I have good reason. If you would click my name and just go back and read a few of my posts, you would know all too well I'm one of those tankers that called for some true balance. Be prepared for some heavy reading though. And far too often I've watched what I consider very well thought out and constructive feedback fall off the face of the forums (mine and others) in lou of the tankers with ******** ideas so unpopular that they would garner far more attention.

Yes I know the forums well. Everyone reads the bullshit posts, of just a paragraph, but get into some serious discussion and NOBODY is interested.

So yeah fella, my blood does boil when people call my role out, as I've put a lot of my personal time and effort into actually providing "real" feedback calling for balance.

Then I'll reiterate, don't take it so personally. Darken was probably referring to the very vocal and most know tankers rather then the few tankers, yourself included if you are to be believed, that call for balance and are constructive about it. Should he have worded it better or mention you tankers that aren't among the cowards? Perhaps. However you should have just had enough pride in yourself for not being biased like those he refers to and not let your blood boil, you aren't among those it is directed towards. It would have been much better to passively and calmly mention not all tankers are cowards, rather then get agitated and use insults.

Also +1 for proper use of verbose.

Who wanted rid of redline tanks: dropships/tankers
Who complained mlt tanks were using hardeners to beat their proto tanks: tankers
Who complained blasters were useless against other tanks: tankers

What does nerfing rail range achieve? Stop redline rails
What does nerfing hardners achieve? makes blasters more useful against tanks
What does else? Makes EHP more prelevant widening the gap between mlt and proto.

You really did get what you wished for, its AV got a buff out of it too, now all we need to reduce the effectiveness of blasters.
Much faster overheat should just about do!

Enjoy tankers!

Who wanted rid of redline tanks: dropships/tankers
Who complained mlt tanks were using hardeners to beat their proto tanks: tankers
Who complained blasters were useless against other tanks: tankers

What does nerfing rail range achieve? Stop redline rails
What does nerfing hardners achieve? makes blasters more useful against tanks
What does else? Makes EHP more prelevant widening the gap between mlt and proto.

You really did get what you wished for, its AV got a buff out of it too, now all we need to reduce the effectiveness of blasters.
Much faster overheat should just about do!

Enjoy tankers!