Did we want our hardeners nerfed? It was infantry who all cried that they couldn't take out tanks, solo. You must engage the tank when the hardener is not online. In the case of the shield tank, you need high alpha *cough*forge*cough* to take out as much shield as you can before the hardener gets kicked in. But then they have little shields left because unlike armor tanks, shield tanks don't have a buffer to safely protect their hardened EHP.

tankers should of known that when ccp does something they usually do collateral damage.

they are the embodiment of "careful what you wish for" i'm just surprised they didn't do more damage ^^

All of my likes, you may have them.

NONONONONONONONONONONO I asked for none of this what I asked for was:
Tiered Modules 30%/45%/60%
Unstupid core skills Example you could only get to that 60% by not only sinking sp into Shield modules but another bonus so bonus would make it from 50% to 60%. Other Coreskills that enhance damage + Passive bonuses
My Scattered Ion Cannon that way blasters could at least compete with Dual rep/Dual Hard
Maybe a slight speed nerf
and a 5% AV buff across the board
and special AV damage mods so they could retain their 10% DMG mods

Kind of a ironic really, don't you think? When the pendulum had swung the other way and AV was overpowered all AV players were blamed and called out rather then a vocal few. Not accusing you personally but just an observation.

I wanted and called for Tanks/AV to be rebalanced pre 1.7, as I do with all roles that have no place or are UP, and yes it is CCP that makes the final decision, but they don't do it without paying attention to collected data and the current state of the forums. I easily noticed more tankers just calling complaints about the Tank/AV balance QQ or finding it funny rather then Tankers actually calling for balance. In fact I can probably count the number of tankers on my hand that don't enjoy the current balance and are vocal about it.

So please, your statements and insults are wasted; if Darkens comment and my like thereof offended you then perhaps you should "get off the forums, child." and take things less personally. Darken was referring to the most vocal and cowardly of tankers on the forums along with those who spam blaster tank after blaster tank with no care of how imbalanced it currently is; not those who see said imbalance and speak up about it. He could have worded it to imply this better but really, did him not doing so get your blood boiling so? Do I wish this situation in which all of a role are blamed rather then the few was different? Absolutely. However I also wish everyone didn't see Assaults as COD players who wanna kill everything with an AR, Logi's as FotM chasing slayers, Etc.

Probably just stack 2 extenders and 1 hardener now? IDK.

Not a lot you can do when the sickness is actually the players.

Then I'll reiterate, don't take it so personally. Darken was probably referring to the very vocal and most know tankers rather then the few tankers, yourself included if you are to be believed, that call for balance and are constructive about it. Should he have worded it better or mention you tankers that aren't among the cowards? Perhaps. However you should have just had enough pride in yourself for not being biased like those he refers to and not let your blood boil, you aren't among those it is directed towards. It would have been much better to passively and calmly mention not all tankers are cowards, rather then get agitated and use insults.

Also +1 for proper use of verbose.

Who wanted rid of redline tanks: dropships/tankers
Who complained mlt tanks were using hardeners to beat their proto tanks: tankers
Who complained blasters were useless against other tanks: tankers

What does nerfing rail range achieve? Stop redline rails
What does nerfing hardners achieve? makes blasters more useful against tanks
What does else? Makes EHP more prelevant widening the gap between mlt and proto.

You really did get what you wished for, its AV got a buff out of it too, now all we need to reduce the effectiveness of blasters.
Much faster overheat should just about do!

Enjoy tankers!

When FG gets fixed, tanking and drop ships will burn. I have been out all day making use of the misfiring glitchy crap CCPwants us to use. The hardener Nerf isn't the solution. They need those to make money.

I'm still going to go 20+ and 0 in my blaster tank 4-5 matches.

I'm butthurt, too.

I have no idea why, but I'm butthurt.

We're all just butt-hurt from the senseless nerfing in 1.7 that didn't really have a purpose other than punish people for using Infantry AV. It didn't help they were warned and still did it. Since we are not privy to CCP's decision process it is just easier to blame absolutely everyone associated with the offending game element. Statistically correlation does not prove effect but in social politics people believe it does.

Although I wasn't surprised at the range nerf on SL. That number has always been squirrelly and subject to current mood.

The hardener nerf doesn't mean jack diddly to me.
The railgun range nerf actually does. ADSes have even MORE free reign in the sky, as they still don't have a suitable counter to the massive advantages they get.

when they actually fire

Pretty wrong on all accounts tbh

EHP is the same since all hardeners are the same

The gap between 0SP and 20mil SP pilots is still very little

If blasters dont break the shield regen which so far i havent seen or had it done to me with a hardener on then that has also failed

Half the nerfing ideas came from infantry tbh

nope I use rail gun tanks to kill tanks and drop ships, never bothered farming infantry with blasters specced into them enough to use proto-blasters, and missles but I look at that as wasted sp, I also am specced into tanks and have both maddy fits and gunni fits, I choose not to do anything half assed, if i'm going to fight tanks with tanks then I will be on equal footing.

i've squaded with tankers, i've faced tankers, i've been a tanker.

honestly I agree that I probably can't beat someone that's been using tanks for years( at least not without investing more sp ), but I don't really give them a chance to fight me that way, I drive my tanks like a shotgun scout, and kill you before you get a chance to fight it just seems more effective.

not really sure what that has to do with the thread but since you asked.

Hardeners and AV WP were at the root of the problem

So yes, it does address real issues.

I can attest to Tebu and his interest in actual balance between tanks and av. He is one of the few tankers I respect and don't consider him a ***** like the majority of tankers out there lol. He's never wanted an I win button installed in his tank and truly wants things to be balanced. Just check his old posts if you dont believe it