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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1953	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11824	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:35:00 - [2] - Quote grabs popcorn You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 712	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! ...
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2745	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:40:00 - [4] - Quote "WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Swarms and forge guns are actually broken and not just UP but my tank is getting nerfed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH" I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 728	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: grabs popcorn passes soda Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12624	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:43:00 - [6] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: "WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Swarms and forge guns are actually broken and not just UP but my tank is getting nerfed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH" Forges are bugged, not broken. Swarms are bugged AND broken. Carry on. "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 15	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:44:00 - [7] - Quote Anything that pisses off spkr has to be somewhat good for the game. Good for you CCP.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2584	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:45:00 - [8] - Quote get screwed tanker. I finally can destroy vehicles with my swarms without looking like a idiot. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1064	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:45:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. 600m to 300m? Based on what thinking? I agree with you on red line rail gun tanks as snipers. I can hunt them down and the maps aren't very large so it was no big deal. If you had a partner you could send then out with hardeners as bait, a job I have done myself, then jump/hit them with they pulled out from their hiding spot to take the bait. And so it goes.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2745	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Delta 749 wrote: "WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Swarms and forge guns are actually broken and not just UP but my tank is getting nerfed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH" Forges are bugged, not broken. Swarms are bugged AND broken. Carry on. Personally I consider the misfire bug as something that breaks the weapon but really its all semantics at this point, things are ****** and 2 years into the game thats just inexcusable I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:50:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: get screwed tanker. I finally can destroy vehicles with my swarms without looking like a idiot. You're an idiot in the first place for using your Starter Fit against a Gunnlogi. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:51:00 - [12] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. 600m to 300m? Based on what thinking? I agree with you on red line rail gun tanks as snipers. I can hunt them down and the maps aren't very large so it was no big deal. If you had a partner you could send then out with hardeners as bait, a job I have done myself, then jump/hit them with they pulled out from their hiding spot to take the bait. Lol lrn2rd Hotfix today, rail range is being cut in half. Large turrets that is. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:53:00 - [13] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Delta 749 wrote: "WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Swarms and forge guns are actually broken and not just UP but my tank is getting nerfed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH" Forges are bugged, not broken. Swarms are bugged AND broken. Carry on. Personally I consider the misfire bug as something that breaks the weapon but really its all semantics at this point, things are ****** and 2 years into the game thats just inexcusable So rails misfiring is fine, but a forge gun misfiring is a huge problem that needs to be fixed RFN. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [14] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEAMWORK IS SO I HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO ME ON A SILVER PLATTER BECAUSE MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Appropriate I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1130	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:55:00 - [15] - Quote all the AV users reaction to the tank nerf awwww yeah YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12625	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:55:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Delta 749 wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEAMWORK IS SO I HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO ME ON A SILVER PLATTER BECAUSE MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Appropriate You're in a tank....the EPITOME of solo play.... "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:56:00 - [17] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! No, there's no reason to nerf something that people are too stupid to destroy. I get destroyed by people that aren't on the forums all the time. They understand the words PTFO. Proxy traps and AV teams are the norm for people that are actually intelligent, which most of the forums clearly aren't. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1954	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:57:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Delta 749 wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEAMWORK IS SO I HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO ME ON A SILVER PLATTER BECAUSE MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Appropriate You're in a tank....the EPITOME of solo play.... I'm usually in a squad with Taka and 2 others. What solo play? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5319	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:57:00 - [19] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: grabs popcorn passes soda Melts cheese on nachos Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2249	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:58:00 - [20] - Quote continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago.

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2747	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Delta 749 wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEAMWORK IS SO I HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO ME ON A SILVER PLATTER BECAUSE MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Appropriate Uses a tank says others dont know about teamwork Face palm again Also go ahead and point out where I said rails misfiring is ok, any weapon misfiring is a problem But this is all beside the point, I want to get to the root of the problem Tell me, are you a middle child? Did your parents neglect you causing you to feel that you need to act out in such a way to get attention? Perhaps you just have low self esteem and look to video games as a power fantasy to prop yourself up and anything that intrudes on that threatens your fragile sense of self worth Its ok to let it out and tell us, this is a safe place and we can get you the help you need I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:10:00 - [22] - Quote welcome to remote lav 514 because its working as intended 6 remotes on a lave bump a red tank and boom you die tank dies great crutch CCP I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 166	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 - [23] - Quote The nerf to hardeners is justified and acceptable, the rail range nerf is overmuch. A range of 350m I think would be good and then a nerf to rotation speed and ROF slightly would be good. This makes them very powerful ranged vehicles that can't be completely invulnerable but don't need to get super close to fight. The rotation speed and ROF should also help slot them better into their role as ranged firepower. Currently the rotation makes killing infantry fairly manageable and allows brawling with a rail gun to be too easy. It shouldn't be impossible but it should require careful driving to land your shots. Edit: I'm glad CCP is handling railguns one aspect at a time, if this range works out but the damage and brawling is too good then I'd love to see another hotfix address those issues. The current step towards balance is much preferable to widesweeping nerf and buff swings.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1030	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:16:00 - [24] - Quote The reason it's an unnecessarily huge nerf is that the problem was never the amount of resistance, it was the shorter cooldowns making permahardened tanks a reality alongside militia hardeners being just as good as proto hardeners. This nerf means that a militia railgun without damage mods can kill a double hardened Gunnlogi with a complex extender in a single magazine. So it is now more beneficial to spam militia tanks than to skill into vehicles. If anything, you'll see more tank spam because now the only real thing holding them at bay, namely the proto tanks, are now on the same level as the militia tanks. AV was never a problem to militia tanks because you can lose 4-5 and still turn a profit. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:18:00 - [25] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: The nerf to hardeners is justified and acceptable, the rail range nerf is overmuch. A range of 350m I think would be good and then a nerf to rotation speed and ROF slightly would be good. This makes them very powerful ranged vehicles that can't be completely invulnerable but don't need to get super close to fight. The rotation speed and ROF should also help slot them better into their role as ranged firepower. Currently the rotation makes killing infantry fairly manageable and allows brawling with a rail gun to be too easy. It shouldn't be impossible but it should require careful driving to land your shots. Edit: I'm glad CCP is handling railguns one aspect at a time, if this range works out but the damage and brawling is too good then I'd love to see another hotfix address those issues. The current step towards balance is much preferable to widesweeping nerf and buff swings. we already have to lead our rail shots on infantry and lavs and tanks and dropships wat more do you want I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:19:00 - [26] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! Please dont make me come out of the Redline !!! It's funny to see one redline B!tch calling other redline tanker B!tch lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:22:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! No, there's no reason to nerf something that people are too stupid to destroy. I get destroyed by people that aren't on the forums all the time. They understand the words PTFO. Proxy traps and AV teams are the norm for people that are actually intelligent, which most of the forums clearly aren't. How do you proxy in the Redline again !? Throw proxy's at the redline ?! The only way L33T redliners die is by JLAV.... They are too stupid to notice a flashing LAV!!! lmfao
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3371	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:25:00 - [29] - Quote I think the nerf is all wrong, but... HA-HA. I look forward to dropping a fresh, hot **** all over your next series of QQ threads. Now, entertain me with your paint huffer's drunken road rage style of humor little man... I GÖú Kittens.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 - [30] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1247	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 - [31] - Quote Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's I was talking about tankers using Teamwork... How they have been using team work to take other tanks and infantry out lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:45:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: get screwed tanker. I finally can destroy vehicles with my swarms without looking like a idiot. You're an idiot in the first place for using your Starter Fit against a Gunnlogi. You are an idiot for assuming that he was using a starter fit
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1956	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:54:00 - [33] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: get screwed tanker. I finally can destroy vehicles with my swarms without looking like a idiot. You're an idiot in the first place for using your Starter Fit against a Gunnlogi. You are an idiot for assuming that he was using a starter fit Really now? So it's my fault he can't destroy MLT tanks? I program the game? Not my fault he was dropped a bunch of times. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3125	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:54:00 - [34] - Quote Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ******* idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS Intelligence is OP
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1284	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:58:00 - [35] - Quote TIL tanker tears are spicy, but with a mellow aftertaste. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Toby Flenderson research lab 412	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:04:00 - [36] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: grabs popcorn Michael Jackson popcorn gif is all I think about in these threads haha
Toby Flenderson research lab 413	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:12:00 - [37] - Quote I don't care about rails, I'm just happy tanks can be killed again. The multiple hardeners god mode lasted too long. They're still fast and swarms still blow so if tankers really feel like they're ****** by this fix then they probably just sucked to begin with. No one in their right mind could believe the hardeners were not OP. Key phrasing: in their right mind. Proceed to complain that you can be killed by less than a full squad.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:13:00 - [38] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: get screwed tanker. I finally can destroy vehicles with my swarms without looking like a idiot. You're an idiot in the first place for using your Starter Fit against a Gunnlogi. You are an idiot for assuming that he was using a starter fit Really now? So it's my fault he can't destroy MLT tanks? I program the game? Not my fault he was dropped a bunch of times. Yes it your fault, and other idiots like yourself who kept saying Tank vs AV is balanced... Who kept Saying tankers Deserved the Crutch and kept spamming tanks after tanks... Get hit once they kept flying off faster than ADS and calling it L33T skills...Fully proto out AV should suck at fighting 60k tanks.... Apparently that's the kind of crutch idiots like yourself needed to feel L33T.... Just STFU and come out of that redline... Oh wait REs and now invisible REs lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1256	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:19:00 - [39] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the ** out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1676	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:20:00 - [40] - Quote All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic. Who wants some?

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1775	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:21:00 - [41] - Quote Hey! Is Red Star recruiting? You and Taki are so good at this game. I'm very sorry that they took away your win button. Do you think you two will be able to get by without it?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12638	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:25:00 - [42] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic. To be fair, if forge guns weren't bugged and swarm launchers weren't applying too little damage to dropships, you'd have to be exceptionally bad to have issues with vehicles right now. "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1495	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:30:00 - [43] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic. agreed thats the middle picture the big picture is the impending PS4 migration to PS4 games. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Bubba Rector BR514 18	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:31:00 - [44] - Quote The hardners are nerfed. Don't forget that the complex damage mods were nerfed by 50%. I run 3, or at least I used to run 3, complex with my proto swarms. AV got a nerf too there buddy boy
Toby Flenderson research lab 415	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:32:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic. To be fair, if forge guns weren't bugged and swarm launchers weren't applying too little damage to dropships, you'd have to be exceptionally bad to have issues with vehicles right now. Ehh while I agree with your post mostly I will say that tanks are still nearly impossible to take down with swarms (pre hotfix). I think it would do better to say you would have to be exceptionally bad to have a problem with AV if you are in a vehicle. 1.7 basically out the engagement in the hands if the pilot to either dominate or lose if they are careless. I don't think I've ever been a a part of a large enough AV pack to kill a tank when it wasn't making mistakes or being greedy. The same cannot be understood from the perspective of a tank, they have been able to cite ok engagements for months
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2015	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:32:00 - [46] - Quote Reads three lines checks OP's name chuckles leaves thread
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 614	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:42:00 - [47] - Quote Noticed one big problem with this change in a battle today. Was on the map with the two tall towers on either side with 4 nodes, and during the entire match there was at least one dropship flying around (and sometimes two or three.) They were free to land on the towers and drop their uplinks before zooming off again, impervious to any damage unless they chose to fly low enough to actually be targeted. I still think my idea of damage drop-off (1% for every 10 meters the shot travels) would go a long way towards balancing things; cap rail guns at 500 meters and let redline rail tanks serve as harassment/area of denial specialists while those that choose to go in closer can still pack a punch. "Trust and you'll be trusted," says the liar to the fool.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8983	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:49:00 - [48] - Quote Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back. Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community. Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Nocturnal Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2534	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:01:00 - [49] - Quote Yesss squirm squiiiiirm!!!!! Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 622	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:01:00 - [50] - Quote This nerf is probably a bit too much. Maybe a slight nerf to hardeners was needed but the really nerf should've been to stackers. Make it so one hardener is fine, but for every additional hardener equipped the effectiveness of all hardeners is reduced by 1/3 or 40%. So stacking two or three for either god mode or removal of any opportunity to hit unhardened would have come at a major cost. Single hardened tanks and DS aren't that bad, it's the multi hardened ones that are I win buttons.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12642	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:03:00 - [51] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Noticed one big problem with this change in a battle today. Was on the map with the two tall towers on either side with 4 nodes, and during the entire match there was at least one dropship flying around (and sometimes two or three.) They were free to land on the towers and drop their uplinks before zooming off again, impervious to any damage unless they chose to fly low enough to actually be targeted. I still think my idea of damage drop-off (1% for every 10 meters the shot travels) would go a long way towards balancing things; cap rail guns at 500 meters and let redline rail tanks serve as harassment/area of denial specialists while those that choose to go in closer can still pack a punch. Get your logic out of here, that is far beyond CCPs ability to program "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8983	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:04:00 - [52] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: This nerf is probably a bit too much. Maybe a slight nerf to hardeners was needed but the really nerf should've been to stackers. Make it so one hardener is fine, but for every additional hardener equipped the effectiveness of all hardeners is reduced by 1/3 or 40%. So stacking two or three for either god mode or removal of any opportunity to hit unhardened would have come at a major cost. Single hardened tanks and DS aren't that bad, it's the multi hardened ones that are I win buttons. Indeed on HAV multiple hardeners are now mandatory.....not de-incentivised....as I feel they should have been. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 782	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:04:00 - [53] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Another brilliant comedy section from Spkr4Dead Bravo good sir, bravo. Another brilliant performance from a true HAV pilot TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 130	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:09:00 - [54] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! lmao i tried to find a video clip from the movie "The Island" where they go to harvest Michael Clarke Duncan's organs and he wakes up on the operating table and yells that but i couldnt :( EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihd-NwI030c the crying faces he makes totally reminds me of all spkr's threads too http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1403/redlinerails2%5B1%5D.jpg i could look at this all day
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1124	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:18:00 - [55] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die!!! No, there's no reason to nerf something that people are too stupid to destroy. I get destroyed by people that aren't on the forums all the time. They understand the words PTFO. Proxy traps and AV teams are the norm for people that are actually intelligent, which most of the forums clearly aren't. Well then, since you are such a genius you should give up tanking and go AV, show all us idiots how it is done. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 356	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:22:00 - [56] - Quote You know I should be happy seeing Spkr cry ..... but the Forge glitch keeps me from truly enjoying this ....sigh. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2762	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:33:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back. Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community. Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance. What balance? In the face of broken swarms, broken forges, fewer av nades, and the damage mod nerf affecting AV weapons how is losing 15% this huge game breaking thing for vehicles I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 14	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:05:00 - [58] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's I was talking about tankers using Teamwork... How they have been using team work to take other tanks and infantry out lol one goes rail one goes blaster and one goes missile and me and spkr and takahero have been doing this since day one thats team work and watching every ones backs I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1130	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:25:00 - [59] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back. Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community. Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance. I can agree with this, especially such a big change with still broken AV, smaller nerf combined with fixed Av and slightly buffed SLs would have been better, but we play a CCP made game Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2081	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:28:00 - [60] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Probably should have advocated for buffed av instead of insisting tanks were still easy to kill.pooh pooh Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3128	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:06:00 - [61] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the ** out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled As for 7 players? you can easily use the same 3 players or bring out a tank or 2, if they can tank spam why cant you? You mean like infantry do with supply depots? Intelligence is OP
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 342	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:14:00 - [62] - Quote Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's I was talking about tankers using Teamwork... How they have been using team work to take other tanks and infantry out lol one goes rail one goes blaster and one goes missile and me and spkr and takahero have been doing this since day one thats team work and watching every ones backs that doesn't sound like teamworkGÇª.it sounds like overkill Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 471	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:16:00 - [63] - Quote Waaaaahhhh!!! MOMMY!!!! B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 304	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:40:00 - [64] - Quote These things never go well for you Spkr.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4940	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:55:00 - [65] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. Translation, I don't want to die to Militia tanks stacking damage mods and driven by people with no SP in the role. Fixed that for you. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2518	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:03:00 - [66] - Quote Spkr you tankers totally brought this on yourselves with insane statements like JLAV is a crutch (mind boggling, that one), 1.7 is perfectly balanced and exactly how tanks should be, proto AV shouldn't be able to take out mlt vehicles, etc. Thing is, you're correct that this is not being handled right (actually, moreso True because he has the critical thinking ability and perspective that you clearly lack). I think that fixing and rebuffing the bugged AV, making mlt tanks more expensive, and most importantly, MASSIVE stacking penalties on hardeners would have been a more appropriate first step. Follow with data collection, rinse, repeat. The problem is that you and tankahiro have zero credibility now, and rightfully so. In fact AV also just got nerfed because damage mods and proficiency skills are terrible right now. You can claim CCP is taking a shortsighted bandaid approach and probably be correct, but let's not pretend that it's one sided and AV will be back to where it was in 1.6, where I will readily admit it was a little too powerful. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 698	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:14:00 - [67] - Quote looking at all the tank haters acking up over a small nerf to tanks fools fools . Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 475	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:30:00 - [68] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: looking at all the tank haters acking up over a small nerf to tanks fools fools . I was nailing a madrugar with a Ishukone Assault FG and its hardeners were STILL soaking it up like it's nothing. I may only have proficiency 1 right now but he doesn't have to invest **** for skill into his hardeners. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1268	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:15:00 - [69] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back. Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community. Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance. It's Still Far from Balance. The hardeners are good change... But nerfing the Range from 600 to 300 is a tad bit too much. 350 base and 400 with level 5 proficiency would be more acceptable. This way there would be a difference between Wanna be Rail tankers and Actual Rail tankers. The same way one of my Buddies took 5 tanks in one match without needing to hit the supply depot. Now you can see the difference between full frontal tankers vs "Oh i'm a tanker"
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:21:00 - [70] - Quote Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Mors The Butcher wrote: NAV HIV wrote: calisk galern wrote: continuing? perpetual? wtf are you talking about this is the first nerf tanks have gotten since their massive over buff 3 months ago. Making them actually fight each other inside the map like the rest of us is not considered a nerf. We will see how all these BIg talks about TEAMWORK would stack up lol some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's I was talking about tankers using Teamwork... How they have been using team work to take other tanks and infantry out lol one goes rail one goes blaster and one goes missile and me and spkr and takahero have been doing this since day one thats team work and watching every ones backs Once again, given the current status of AVs and tanks... How many Infantry do you think it would require to take your tanks out or to push your tanks back. You know your fittings, give me an honest answer....

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 - [71] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled As for 7 players? you can easily use the same 3 players or bring out a tank or 2, if they can tank spam why cant you? You mean like infantry do with supply depots? Have you ever tried running across to a Supply Depot wearing a Heavy Suit ?! Specially when there are multiple tanks on the field. Get real, even you should know how full of you sound like when you try to justify **
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:26:00 - [72] - Quote bamboo x wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: looking at all the tank haters acking up over a small nerf to tanks fools fools . I was nailing a madrugar with a Ishukone Assault FG and its hardeners were STILL soaking it up like it's nothing. I may only have proficiency 1 right now but he doesn't have to invest **** for skill into his hardeners. Has to be the FG bug that's still around...
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 363	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:35:00 - [73] - Quote I'm disappointed. I kept waiting and looking for an Atiim post in here, but sadly there wasn't one. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2281	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:37:00 - [74] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic. Its a start I think that is what has got most of them happy. Also Spkr hasn't whined this long in donkeys so it must be a rather significant nerf! Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1270	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:39:00 - [75] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I'm disappointed. I kept waiting and looking for an Atiim post in here, but sadly there wasn't one. He is laughing his ass off right now... He has a Gunlogi Missile tank i think...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2281	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:45:00 - [76] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the ** out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled Nah, Im just fashionably late to the party. The thing is you have givena few very rare scenarios where "teamwork" has been used. All of which result in the big bad tank coming along to deal with a problem. But it still doesn't occur to you the teamwork involved in infantry even everyone in the team isn't AV. The scout whomkeeps you scanned so the AV always knows where you are, the guy shooting with an assault rifle looks such easy prey, next thing you know you have 72 remote explosives strapped to your tank, ready to send you to vallhala. Teamwork is all well amd good but when its a stacked squad against mic-less newberries you aren't gonna get teamwork and you're rolling over them in gunlogis and telling them its fair? That they should use teamwork to destroy yourmoverpowered tank with underpowered weaponry? Just about says it all. Don't talk to infantry about teamwork, you know nothing about true teamwork. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12687	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:52:00 - [77] - Quote These guys will just never admit that tanking is the easiest playstyle. "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1271	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:54:00 - [78] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: These guys will just never admit that tanking is the easiest playstyle. Also very Cost efficient...
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2607	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:07:00 - [79] - Quote If Spkr is not going 22-0, 24-0, 26-1... it must be broken Also heres a video of Spkr raging in closed beta. LMFAO My SP GAP carries me.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2097	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:24:00 - [80] - Quote It's time. Just remove large rail turrets. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3129	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:27:00 - [81] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the ** out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled Nah, Im just fashionably late to the party. The thing is you have givena few very rare scenarios where "teamwork" has been used. Almost all of which result in the big bad tank coming along to deal with a problem. But it still doesn't occur to you the teamwork involved in infantry even everyone in the team isn't AV. The scout whomkeeps you scanned so the AV always knows where you are, the guy shooting with an assault rifle looks such easy prey, next thing you know you have 72 remote explosives strapped to your tank, ready to send you to vallhala. Teamwork is all well amd good but when its a stacked squad against mic-less newberries you aren't gonna get teamwork and you're rolling over them in gunlogis and telling them its fair? That they should use teamwork to destroy yourmoverpowered tank with underpowered weaponry? Just about says it all. Don't talk to infantry about teamwork, you know nothing about true teamwork. Typical answer If it involves vehicles its not teamwork but amazingly replace every vehicle with an infantryman and suddenly out of the blue it is teamwork Yea no Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3129	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:28:00 - [82] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled As for 7 players? you can easily use the same 3 players or bring out a tank or 2, if they can tank spam why cant you? You mean like infantry do with supply depots? Have you ever tried running across to a Supply Depot wearing a Heavy Suit ?! Specially when there are multiple tanks on the field. Get real, even you should know how full of you sound like when you try to justify ** So? Infantry can do it and generally will do it, i play supply depot games with enemies because i can and is that fair? no If i recall a vehicle its in my redline more often that not because doing it in the open is dumb Intelligence is OP
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 118	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:04:00 - [83] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: No, there's no reason to nerf something that people are too stupid to destroy. I get destroyed by people that aren't on the forums all the time. They understand the words PTFO. Proxy traps and AV teams are the norm for people that are actually intelligent, which most of the forums clearly aren't. Spkr, I don't have a personal opinion of you, so this is as unbiased as I can make it but 1.8 tankers were not getting destroyed by infantry AV all the time. You are correct that a damage modded rail tank vs a blaster or a well piloted Gunnlogi vs a militia would result in you getting killed with regularity. However in hundreds of militia tanks I dropped in 1.8 I only recall being killed by a forge once maybe twice. I don't ever recall being killed by a swarm. The hardener nerf may have been something they should have changed 5-10% at a time and perhaps the range nerf is excessive but something did need to change. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:37:00 - [84] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled As for 7 players? you can easily use the same 3 players or bring out a tank or 2, if they can tank spam why cant you? You mean like infantry do with supply depots? Have you ever tried running across to a Supply Depot wearing a Heavy Suit ?! Specially when there are multiple tanks on the field. Get real, even you should know how full of you sound like when you try to justify ** So? Infantry can do it and generally will do it, i play supply depot games with enemies because i can and is that fair? no If i recall a vehicle its in my redline more often that not because doing it in the open is dumb So infantry should be allowed to change suits on the go. Press a button Recall AV suit and chase a tank, when the tank starts chasing you recall a scout suit and run. Sounds about right...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3131	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:19:00 - [85] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: So infantry should be allowed to change suits on the go. Press a button Recall AV suit and chase a tank, when the tank starts chasing you recall a scout suit and run. Sounds about right... If you can climb out of your suit that is Problem is atmosphere could be toxic to you who is standing outside in there pants trying to swap suits Intelligence is OP
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1287	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:58:00 - [86] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: So infantry should be allowed to change suits on the go. Press a button Recall AV suit and chase a tank, when the tank starts chasing you recall a scout suit and run. Sounds about right... If you can climb out of your suit that is Problem is atmosphere could be toxic to you who is standing outside in there pants trying to swap suits I am willing to risk it....
ROMULUS H3X research lab 101	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:01:00 - [87] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half. CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms. With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks. When I read this it was in the voice of a whiney *****. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 301	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:05:00 - [88] - Quote Speaker what's your take on large blaster tanks?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2285	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:12:00 - [89] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Teamwork - The combined action of a group 4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman 2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle Is that not teamwork? If you say no then you really are a ***** idiot As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS So that's 7 out 16 players to kill how many again ?! Who's gonna cap the objectives and win ?! It all sounds great in theory... The same way it should take 2-3 players vs single tank, right ?! when you are allowed to spam the ** out of a map with tanks... Also it's not a crutch to run around and change tanks and turret type on the go... ?! Right !!! So that big wall of silence from the rest you about 'teamwork' must mean that you agree with the above examples that i gave Thats settled Nah, Im just fashionably late to the party. The thing is you have givena few very rare scenarios where "teamwork" has been used. Almost all of which result in the big bad tank coming along to deal with a problem. But it still doesn't occur to you the teamwork involved in infantry even everyone in the team isn't AV. The scout whomkeeps you scanned so the AV always knows where you are, the guy shooting with an assault rifle looks such easy prey, next thing you know you have 72 remote explosives strapped to your tank, ready to send you to vallhala. Teamwork is all well amd good but when its a stacked squad against mic-less newberries you aren't gonna get teamwork and you're rolling over them in gunlogis and telling them its fair? That they should use teamwork to destroy yourmoverpowered tank with underpowered weaponry? Just about says it all. Don't talk to infantry about teamwork, you know nothing about true teamwork. Typical answer If it involves vehicles its not teamwork but amazingly replace every vehicle with an infantryman and suddenly out of the blue it is teamwork Yea no The difference is all but the guy with an assault rifle gets warpoints in all off my scenarios, in yours only the tanker does enough damage to warrant WP But of course I forgot whom Im talking to if the answer isn't tanks the question isn't right. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 856	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:07:00 - [90] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: If Spkr is not going 22-0, 24-0, 26-1... it must be broken Also heres a video of Spkr raging in closed beta. LMFAO I hadn't heard his voice since January of last year when I muted him in the first match I played with him on my team. He didn't actually do that bad in the match but just like in that video he whined the entire time like someone was violating him with a barbed rod. From reading the comments on the video it seems poor Spkr can't play any game without making people hate him from whining so much. Support Orbital Spawns

The Infected One Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1217	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:33:00 - [91] - Quote Calmly sits down on couch "Pretzels and beer over here everyone, this should get interesting." I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3892	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:35:00 - [92] - Quote Can we officially declare all Spkr Threads like farms? I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V


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