some people already use teamwork to destroy tanks with legit av and lay traps with proxy's

You're an idiot in the first place for using your Starter Fit against a Gunnlogi.

You are an idiot for assuming that he was using a starter fit

*grabs popcorn*

Really now? So it's my fault he can't destroy MLT tanks? I program the game? Not my fault he was dropped a bunch of times.

Teamwork - The combined action of a group

4 tanks can work together to take out a team of enemy tanks

An ADS pilot can rely location information on enemy tanks to friendly tanks and guide them to the target resulting in the destruction of enemy vehicles

An AV player can distract an enemy vehicle for long enough while they rely the location of the enemy vehicle to a friendly vehicle with the aim of destroying it while the the enemy vehicle is paying attention to the infantryman

2 AV players can work together to destroy an enemy vehicle


Is that not teamwork?

If you say no then you really are a ******* idiot


As for the nerfs the resistance changes makes all vehicles weaker including LAV/DS/ADS so techincally DS/ADS could be worse off but they can easily fly away to 300m+ in a second or 2 but the AV may still hurt and more since less resistance

The railgun may mean less redline tankers but a few will stick around on the smaller maps and maybe on high areas if the view is still good and they can hit things but now it has the same distance as a handheld AV weapon which happens to be weaker and less powerful in everyway - expect this to go back to 600m if the maps every do get larger

Small railgun is made even more useless, to shoot from 100m up is a challenge let alone getting hits on infantry and is a nerf to the armor ADS

All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic.

All of the morons elated by tank nerfs are missing the big picture. AV still sucks. You are happy to get scraps when the real issue was sidelined. Pathetic.

To be fair, if forge guns weren't bugged and swarm launchers weren't applying too little damage to dropships, you'd have to be exceptionally bad to have issues with vehicles right now.

Noticed one big problem with this change in a battle today. Was on the map with the two tall towers on either side with 4 nodes, and during the entire match there was at least one dropship flying around (and sometimes two or three.) They were free to land on the towers and drop their uplinks before zooming off again, impervious to any damage unless they chose to fly low enough to actually be targeted.

I still think my idea of damage drop-off (1% for every 10 meters the shot travels) would go a long way towards balancing things; cap rail guns at 500 meters and let redline rail tanks serve as harassment/area of denial specialists while those that choose to go in closer can still pack a punch.

This nerf is probably a bit too much. Maybe a slight nerf to hardeners was needed but the really nerf should've been to stackers. Make it so one hardener is fine, but for every additional hardener equipped the effectiveness of all hardeners is reduced by 1/3 or 40%.

So stacking two or three for either god mode or removal of any opportunity to hit unhardened would have come at a major cost.

Single hardened tanks and DS aren't that bad, it's the multi hardened ones that are I win buttons.

Another brilliant comedy section from Spkr4Dead

Translation, I don't want to die!!!

No, there's no reason to nerf something that people are too stupid to destroy.

I get destroyed by people that aren't on the forums all the time. They understand the words PTFO. Proxy traps and AV teams are the norm for people that are actually intelligent, which most of the forums clearly aren't.

Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back.

Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community.

Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance.

I was talking about tankers using Teamwork... How they have been using team work to take other tanks and infantry out lol

Personally I would rather they had implemented smaller changes and waited on our feed back.

Now HAV and Dropshippers cannot suggest slight buffs without being strawmanned as wanting their OP vehicles back by the community.

Of course now AVers are going to scream balanced, even were it not......smaller nerfs with progressive changes would have done for us better in terms of finding a moderate level of balance.

So instead of letting people like me deal with redline rail snipers, now I have to wait for them to get right behind me with 3 damage mods going so they can destroy me in 2 shots, and on top of that, now my armor hardener's bonus is reduced by almost half.

CCP, I'd like to know what prompted these changes. Yeah, I find a redline rail sniper to be a b!tch scared to leave the spawn, but I can deal with them. And there's no reason to nerf the armor hardeners, other than to please the infantry on here that continue to try to solo tanks. They put up the same threads about the same conditions, ie tank spam in ambush, or the rare occasion that they're not in ambush, they can't destroy a tank with Darkside CBR7 swarms.

With 1.7 as it was, I assumed you wanted tankers to deal with the threat. Now it's clear that due to infantry's ability to adapt to changes as we've done for over a year, now it's easier for those that find it difficult to use their brains to destroy tanks.