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Lynn Beck wrote:

Scouts have cloaks- i like it.

Scouts shooting creodron shotties from cloak, before cloak even wears off- get that **** outta here!

It's bullshit how as a scout, it doesn't matter that i found a brick tanked cloaky scout, he just jumps left, jukes immediately right and dodges you, shooting you before the cloak even uncloaks.

It's not skill. It's not 'gg scout you outsmarted me' it's '**** you damned exploiting *****'

Either cripple the cloak, or make it so when disabling, you have to press the button first, not this swap weapon and instashoot bullshit.

Edit: i love this patch, having tons of fun, except for the times i meet a cloaked assassin who kills my cloaked assassin-ness by simply killing me while cloaked.

Why even have the restriction of no shooting while cloaked? It's gamebreaking.

Also the HMG should've gotten a nerf, even a 5% one- the killing potential of these is BS, my speed tank scout whok sprints at 10 can't even dodge a basic HMG, from even 30m away.

HMG is murderous. I like it that way, but it's even worse than 1.7 with the rail rifle fiasco.

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Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1217	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:52:00 - [61] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Obviously your the scrub if your the one getting killed by cloaked players. I kill them with ease, so if you can't then it's your fault I kill plenty of you scrubs to satisfy my appetite. Just sad to see you defend a broken mechanic ago you can pretend you are good. All I can see is QQ from a person who can't adapt, the majority are adjusting to cloaks and are ok with them. Mabey cod would be a better game for you. No cloaks and it's designed around not needing awareness to get kills You... You wouldn't happen to be an alt of Takahiro or Spkr, would you? Your pathetic defense of a broken mechanic is amusing me. And whoever it was who suggested tankers (aside from the aforementioned) are defending triple hardened tanks...? DIAF. Your QQing towards a working mechanic is amusing to me.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1217	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:53:00 - [62] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. Running shotguns and or cloaks doesn't allow me to give people lag
Laurade Eve D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 3	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:59:00 - [63] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing No. Do it yourself- shotgun + cloak. Pull up cloak, activate. Press R2 and within the next .5 seconds press R1, you will shoot before you even decloak. While this may be lag, it's more just the fact the game 'puts away' your cloak wayy to late. all day on my scout alt. its cloak, find paraniod merc, uncloak and spam that mothaflukin R2 with shotty
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2447	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:00:00 - [64] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. Running shotguns and or cloaks doesn't allow me to give people lag But it does let you exploit a BS mechanic. EDIT: I bet you liked to RE people after you died, too. ak.0 4 LYFE Guess who's butthurt about light-assaults!? <------This guy!!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1217	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 - [65] - Quote Laurade Eve wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing No. Do it yourself- shotgun + cloak. Pull up cloak, activate. Press R2 and within the next .5 seconds press R1, you will shoot before you even decloak. While this may be lag, it's more just the fact the game 'puts away' your cloak wayy to late. all day on my scout alt. its cloak, find paraniod merc, uncloak and spam that mothaflukin R2 with shotty You don't spam R2, that would rapidly switch weapons
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1217	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:02:00 - [66] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Dexter307 wrote: axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. Running shotguns and or cloaks doesn't allow me to give people lag But it does let you exploit a BS mechanic. If on your screen your getting shot by cloaked mercs then the animation/lag should be fixed but the cloak itself is working fine.
Thorin Avarice NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:30:00 - [67] - Quote It takes 3 cloaked scouts to rush my heavy to kill me but I like that fact. I do feel there should be like a 0.5 time dely from the time they uncloaked to start shooting. But it is what it is if fail seeing that one scout running at me and he kills me its my falt for not catching him. But back on to topic? The dely from declaok to the time they can be seen fully is alittle to long but not by much.
Moorian Flav 159	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:50:00 - [68] - Quote Saw several players yesterday fire shots at me while still cloaked. I even put my back into a corner to see barely visible players run at me and shoot at me while cloaked. I am pretty sure this is the "fun" some players are talking about. FUN MORE FUN Surprising how many think it is fun they can shoot enemies when their enemies can't exactly tell where to return fire. I don't troll; I tell the truth.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 810	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:25:00 - [69] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. No it's his internet connection that never experiences lag and his eyes that can see invisible scouts in the heat of battle. He hears that de-cloaking sound a can always turn in time to drop them, his awesomeness is what makes cloaks not a problem for the rest of us. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1228	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:30:00 - [70] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. No it's his internet connection that never experiences lag and his eyes that can see invisible scouts in the heat of battle. He hears that de-cloaking sound a can always turn in time to drop them, his awesomeness is what makes cloaks not a problem for the rest of us. Everyone can see scouts who are cloaked and moving, sometimes while standing still as well. If you cant mabey its time to upgrade to a tv bigger than 5 inchs And yes, ive turned around and shot scouts who tried to sneak up on my its not that hard to do If a scout can "Empty his whole mag" before decloaking then your connections failing. Mabey dial up internet and using your cell phone as a mobile hotspot isnt the best idea XD

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3840	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:32:00 - [71] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing No. Do it yourself- shotgun + cloak. Pull up cloak, activate. Press R2 and within the next .5 seconds press R1, you will shoot before you even decloak. While this may be lag, it's more just the fact the game 'puts away' your cloak wayy to late. Works with the Mass driver as well. Edit: but not the NKs, WTF? It does, but it swtiches to your Light Slot weapon when you decloak with R2 Put the knives in you Light slot and run a sidearm I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Derrith Erador Arrogance. 1394	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:36:00 - [72] - Quote So I'm not really a scout but I can honestly say that the whole whipping out a shotgun instantly is a little stupid. I do agree scouts needed some love from CCP, but being able to shoot me just before I turn around and knock my health out is a little retarded. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 813	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:41:00 - [73] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. No it's his internet connection that never experiences lag and his eyes that can see invisible scouts in the heat of battle. He hears that de-cloaking sound a can always turn in time to drop them, his awesomeness is what makes cloaks not a problem for the rest of us. Everyone can see scouts who are cloaked and moving, sometimes while standing still as well. If you cant mabey its time to upgrade to a tv bigger than 5 inchs And yes, ive turned around and shot scouts who tried to sneak up on my its not that hard to do If a scout can "Empty his whole mag" before decloaking then your connections failing. Mabey dial up internet and using your cell phone as a mobile hotspot isnt the best idea XD So now it's everyone else's inferior equipment anything but your crutch. Maybe just maybe your making too many excuses rather then seeing the obvious. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2023	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:44:00 - [74] - Quote Can't you see them moving towards you? Protip: if you have high precision, you can see cloaked scouts (unless it's a glitch I'm experiencing).
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 546	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:45:00 - [75] - Quote The decloak animation needs to be fixed, and you should not be able to fire until you are fully visable. In TF2 if spys could shoot before cloak wore off the only pistol they would ever use would be ambassador, since its a mini sniper rifle. In PS2 if infiltrators could shoot before decloaking nobody would play anything else, smg's just rip people appart in that game and infils can use them for cqc.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2764	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:46:00 - [76] - Quote Hey guys, remember how all the scouts were demanding cloaks but didnt have them Good times, good times I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 94	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:50:00 - [77] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing No. Do it yourself- shotgun + cloak. Pull up cloak, activate. Press R2 and within the next .5 seconds press R1, you will shoot before you even decloak. While this may be lag, it's more just the fact the game 'puts away' your cloak wayy to late. Actually I disagree. Logically it should be the weapon discharge that shreds the cloak not carrying the weapon in your hands or ADS.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 94	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:53:00 - [78] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Can't you see them moving towards you? Protip: if you have high precision, you can see cloaked scouts (unless it's a glitch I'm experiencing). Cloak reduces scan profile by 25%. So it gives back what a proto mini lost in profile reduction between 1.7 & 1.8. I have yet to see a scout though myself. Wish I had went Cal scout first.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 94	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:55:00 - [79] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: So I'm not really a scout but I can honestly say that the whole whipping out a shotgun instantly is a little stupid. I do agree scouts needed some love from CCP, but being able to shoot me just before I turn around and knock my health out is a little retarded. I was doing that in 1.7 and am still doing that with REs and shotguns without using cloak.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 406	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:56:00 - [80] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then you're a bad shot. Seriously if you hit R1 before the shotty is fully 'pulled out' you can shoot it. Just like sprinting to save 25% off that last bar on your reload. Just like pressing R1 before the reloading animation is completed on the shotgun. Sure The instant the R2 button is pressed the cloak is turned off No way to shot anymore that 1 shot even with lag. Dexter, seriously stop. I know you're defending your crutch, we all do. The only one defending this is you. GG newb scrub GTFO. Its so funny seeing this QQ If you cant see cloak scouts then your blind Moving scouts are just as visible as non cloaked scouts Still scouts can be difficult to see if not paying attention but if you know theres a scout nearby its epnot hard to find them. Also the load noise when uncloaking makes it very easy to know there is a scout near by Ive killed many cloaked shotgun scouts simply by turning around after hearing this noise 'Tis true. Not hard to see cloaks if you pay attention. To me, cloaks are kinda like active scanners pre 1.8. People trut that they won't be seen, so the scrubs take the ******** ass route, make them obvious and easy to spot. You got a squad, if someone sees a cloak scout, say something. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. There is no them, only us. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe

toten thing KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:57:00 - [81] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Also the HMG should've gotten a nerf, even a 5% one- the killing potential of these is BS, my speed tank scout whok sprints at 10 can't even dodge a basic HMG, from even 30m away. HMG is murderous. I like it that way, but it's even worse than 1.7 with the rail rifle fiasco. WHAT! You canGÇÖt dodge a huge bullet hose gun! Well I can say without even knowing you that you sir are probably the panicle of players. Without a doubt you are a badass. So since you are so badass and you canGÇÖt dodge the bullet hose that is a HMG we should nerf it. In fact we should rid of HMGs completely. Heavies should run around with a huge rubber wangs to smack you with instead and if thatGÇÖs too much maybe we can just get rid of heavies all together. Well that might not be enough. LetGÇÖs get rid of everything except scouts with shotguns. Games pretty close to that right now. Or instead you STFU and jump around a bunch in your twig man armor. Just cuz you canGÇÖt solo a heavy doesnGÇÖt mean itGÇÖs broken. Just like paper isnGÇÖt broken cuz it beats rock. Paper < Rock dust 514 forum We need to nerf paper its OP.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5351	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:56:00 - [82] - Quote near two days now, they're still at it, hungry again, perhaps for steak. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 367	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:00:00 - [83] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Scouts have cloaks- i like it. Scouts shooting creodron shotties from cloak, before cloak even wears off- get that ** outta here! It's bullshit how as a scout, it doesn't matter that i found a brick tanked cloaky scout, he just jumps left, jukes immediately right and dodges you, shooting you before the cloak even uncloaks. It's not skill. It's not 'gg scout you outsmarted me' it's ' you damned exploiting ***' Either cripple the cloak, or make it so when disabling, you have to press the button first, not this swap weapon and instashoot bullshit. Edit: i love this patch, having tons of fun, except for the times i meet a cloaked assassin who kills my cloaked assassin-ness by simply killing me while cloaked. Why even have the restriction of no shooting while cloaked? It's gamebreaking. Also the HMG should've gotten a nerf, even a 5% one- the killing potential of these is BS, my speed tank scout whok sprints at 10 can't even dodge a basic HMG, from even 30m away. HMG is murderous. I like it that way, but it's even worse than 1.7 with the rail rifle fiasco. I made a thread about scout cloak feedback, and this was the "only" thing i could see as a potential issue .. glad it is now confirmed, but praying to god nobody mentions the word "nerf" or "buff" in this thread else its going to break the selling point of 1.8 guaranteed. The ability to switch weapon using a cloak simply needs to be increased (Just enough to uncloak before unsheathing your weapon). It cannot be a scout specific fix, as most suits can use cloaks. and it cant be too severe, or everybody will hate cloaks. EDIT : If you can see this effecting a different area of the game in a negative or positive way, please share! all perspectives must be visualized. Just read the damn thread
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1230	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:09:00 - [84] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: axis alpha wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Disagree Its most likely lag your experiencing Says the shotgunning cloaked scout. No it's his internet connection that never experiences lag and his eyes that can see invisible scouts in the heat of battle. He hears that de-cloaking sound a can always turn in time to drop them, his awesomeness is what makes cloaks not a problem for the rest of us. Everyone can see scouts who are cloaked and moving, sometimes while standing still as well. If you cant mabey its time to upgrade to a tv bigger than 5 inchs And yes, ive turned around and shot scouts who tried to sneak up on my its not that hard to do If a scout can "Empty his whole mag" before decloaking then your connections failing. Mabey dial up internet and using your cell phone as a mobile hotspot isnt the best idea XD So now it's everyone else's inferior equipment anything but your crutch. Maybe just maybe your making too many excuses rather then seeing the obvious. If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 813	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:13:00 - [85] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault. Anything but you needing a crutch got it. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 53	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:13:00 - [86] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault. What? (Insert witty phrase here)
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 813	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:19:00 - [87] - Quote Spartykins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault. What? He has no real argument so he's spouting nonsense in denial of the obvious. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1130	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:30:00 - [88] - Quote The cloak can go away as far as I'm concerned. I didn't need the cloak to be effective as a scout before and I'm not a big fan of the cloak now. Before being a scout (for me at least) was using your better scanning and some situational awareness to put yourself in the best situation to kill someone, from leading them into an RE, or flanking around them to shoot them in the back. Now scouting is down to who best uses the cloak that has no counter. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1230	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:33:00 - [89] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Dexter307 wrote: If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault. Anything but you needing a crutch got it. Wow, so your saying gane devs should have to balence around people who basicly dont have internet Fail logic right here
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1230	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:34:00 - [90] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Spartykins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: If your playing on a 5 inch tv where your internet is a mobile hotspot you made with your phone then yes its your fault. What? He has no real argument so he's spouting nonsense in denial of the obvious. You say that because you have a bad tv and i ter net that the game should be balenced around you Thats the nonsence here imo



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