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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2030	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:23:00 - [1] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149439 That is the thread I made after being surprised by how good the Galente Scout suit is since I got the chance to get it due to the murder mayhem weekend event, boring stuff mostly. Many challeneged me to go advanced and use a cqc weapon, shotty or nova knife. Me not having any experience with either of these weapons make it unfair IMO, I went with pistols instead. A very suitable and "sneaky assasin like" cool gun for the role. A dude told me to get a score of 35-5 with 15 being knife kills but both of those requirements are tossed out off the window, 24-2 with scramblers it is. (Personal best scout+dual scramblers is 42-2, skirmish) I did go in alone but I did have some Burgers on my team. Yes there may indeed be harder scenaros for this setup, though I could easily have fitted a basicCR instead and gotten range aswell. It does however work IMO as a showcase of the playstyle and not least that the Galente medium suit isn't bad at all, this setup cost less than 27 K isk. I have included the round in its entirety but have speeded up the slow parts so its down to 7.23. I personally hate to see unedited footage, so much dead-time, I don't wanna present it to others. Galente M1/series 2 proto extenders proto Reactive plate Enhanced Profile Dampener Nanaohive M1 Locus grenades 2x Assault scrambler pistols, (listed as basic but require lvl 2) - I have scrambler pistol operations to lvl 5 and profficiency lvl 1. - I'm not saying that 1.8 changes to the scout suits aren't welcome, I just don't understand the massive QQ thats been about their UPness, traditionally speaking. For me a fun part of this has been the fact that I've only played one single round with this suit, enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y&feature=youtu.be I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Patrlck 56 197	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y&feature=youtu.be I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Video is private, but I loved the "Master Chef" one. Best hatemail
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2030	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:53:00 - [3] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: KingBabar wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y&feature=youtu.be I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Video is private, but I loved the "Master Chef" one. Try now. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1875	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:57:00 - [4] - Quote I stopped reading when you wrote that CQC weapon transcendence wasn't fair. I went from Assault Scrambler Rifle Scout to Shotty Scout with little problems back in 1.4.
Patrlck 56 199	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:00:00 - [5] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: KingBabar wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y&feature=youtu.be I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Video is private, but I loved the "Master Chef" one. Try now. Now it works. Best hatemail
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 460	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:27:00 - [6] - Quote KingBabar wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149439 That is the thread I made after being surprised by how good the Galente Scout suit is since I got the chance to get it due to the murder mayhem weekend event, boring stuff mostly. Many challeneged me to go advanced and use a cqc weapon, shotty or nova knife. Me not having any experience with either of these weapons make it unfair IMO, I went with pistols instead. A very suitable and "sneaky assasin like" cool gun for the role. A dude told me to get a score of 35-5 with 15 being knife kills but both of those requirements are tossed out off the window, 24-2 with scramblers it is. (Personal best scout+dual scramblers is 42-2, skirmish) I did go in alone but I did have some Burgers on my team. Yes there may indeed be harder scenaros for this setup, though I could easily have fitted a basicCR instead and gotten range aswell. It does however work IMO as a showcase of the playstyle and not least that the Galente medium suit isn't bad at all, this setup cost less than 27 K isk. I have included the round in its entirety but have speeded up the slow parts so its down to 7.23. I personally hate to see unedited footage, so much dead-time, I don't wanna present it to others. Galente M1/series 2 proto extenders proto Reactive plate Enhanced Profile Dampener Nanaohive M1 Locus grenades 2x Assault scrambler pistols, (listed as basic but require lvl 2) - I have scrambler pistol operations to lvl 5 and profficiency lvl 1. - I'm not saying that 1.8 changes to the scout suits aren't welcome, I just don't understand the massive QQ thats been about their UPness, traditionally speaking. For me a fun part of this has been the fact that I've only played one single round with this suit, enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo The whole point was to use a minmatar, and no armor, and if you were gonna use the knives or even attempt it I would honored that, even if you spent the 150000 sp just to try them out of the 2/3 mill you got back I woulda respected that, you could have spent 5 bucks to get proto knives and only needed 15 kills, then played it safe with the pistol. But you knew you would look like a noob and you knew you couldn't do it in the worst suit in the game, and that was the whole point! To only have a compact hive, 80 ish armor, 1 gun an 234 shields, not have 200+ armor and a passive regen. But you had to do it your way, sorry bro no dice! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 460	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:51:00 - [7] - Quote WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT AND YOU COOKED A GRENADE TO KILL THEM AND YOUR TEAM HAD EM REDLINED FROM THE START! WHAT NOOB SERVER WERE YOU ON? HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8707	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:53:00 - [8] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! My god you are an arrogant sod...... for a scout I've never even heard of...... Come back when you are universally feared like Cyrius and Mr Mustard... or Marauder..... Annie Oakly, Calamity Jane, ShottygoBang...etc. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3606	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:57:00 - [9] - Quote Wow you really just wrote Gallente M/1 series Also why should I care 68 inches above sea level...
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 460	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:58:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! My god you are an arrogant sod...... for a scout I've never even heard of...... Come back when you are universally feared like Cyrius and Mr Mustard... or Marauder..... Annie Oakly, Calamity Jane, ShottygoBang...etc. I'm just gonna laugh since you have no clue who this is. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 460	Posted - 2014.03.24 02:06:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! My god you are an arrogant sod...... for a scout I've never even heard of...... Come back when you are universally feared like Cyrius and Mr Mustard... or Marauder..... Annie Oakly, Calamity Jane, ShottygoBang...etc. The point was to get challenged in a min adv scout with no armor mods, not a 500 HP gal in the friggen academy lol so of course I'm gonna give grief! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 319	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:02:00 - [12] - Quote I smell grief... People set a target that is at best stupid, at worst a liability. So many people use stupid fittings and gimp themselves to try and fit within a certain frame of reference that they themselves have concocted. This game is a shooter, the goal is to win the round. Dust gives you two options in most cases, either clone the other team or destroy their MCC. The best way to perform either task is to kill and kill well. Now you complain about someone who does the job and does it well? Sounds to me like someone is just trying to set up Babar to fail in a suit that is gimped beyond recognition, which tells me all I need to know about their character.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 3691	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:19:00 - [13] - Quote KingBabar wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149439 That is the thread I made after being surprised by how good the Galente Scout suit is since I got the chance to get it due to the murder mayhem weekend event, boring stuff mostly. Many challeneged me to go advanced and use a cqc weapon, shotty or nova knife. Me not having any experience with either of these weapons make it unfair IMO, I went with pistols instead. A very suitable and "sneaky assasin like" cool gun for the role. A dude told me to get a score of 35-5 with 15 being knife kills but both of those requirements are tossed out off the window, 24-2 with scramblers it is. (Personal best scout+dual scramblers is 42-2, skirmish) I did go in alone but I did have some Burgers on my team. Yes there may indeed be harder scenaros for this setup, though I could easily have fitted a basicCR instead and gotten range aswell. It does however work IMO as a showcase of the playstyle and not least that the Galente medium suit isn't bad at all, this setup cost less than 27 K isk. I have included the round in its entirety but have speeded up the slow parts so its down to 7.23. I personally hate to see unedited footage, so much dead-time, I don't wanna present it to others. Galente M1/series 2 proto extenders proto Reactive plate Enhanced Profile Dampener Nanaohive M1 Locus grenades 2x Assault scrambler pistols, (listed as basic but require lvl 2) - I have scrambler pistol operations to lvl 5 and profficiency lvl 1. - I'm not saying that 1.8 changes to the scout suits aren't welcome, I just don't understand the massive QQ thats been about their UPness, traditionally speaking. For me a fun part of this has been the fact that I've only played one single round with this suit, enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_t8gDUt1Y I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Proto Scouts in good hands are not UP at all. Other classes can do their role just as well though, which is where the QQ came from. We were pissed that a Med Frame could our job better than we could. Most problems with the suit got fixed by 1.7. Pre-1.7 was absolute HELL to go through as a scout. This is what I suggest. To try and get the feel of why the MAJORITY of scouts thought the suit was UP. Get an Alt. Skill into scouts. Run the basic/ADV scout with low SP. A good scout REQUIRES having a very high SP investment. Core Skills must be above 3 at the least. Biotics needs to be maxed. Shields needs to be maxed for minmatars. You at least have to have ADV Kincats. If you wanna dodge ADV scans, you have to have scout to three and dampen to 4. Get a gun, and get good with it. You need to be able to kill targets before they can properly react. I suggest at least having the main gun proto'd. Prof 3 is optional, but highly recommended. Since fitting is slim on the already slim Min Scout, you will need to have Light Weapons, Sidearms, and Explosives to at least three. This makes fitting easier. ^This is the bare minimum for a decent scout against the average team. This is why the MAJORITY of scouts think its UP. The only ones that can use it effectively are higher SP characters. This is why your evaluation is invalid in my book. As a Scout since 1.1, and from the very beginning of my Character, I can say this: Scout only got fun after the SP caught up. Until then, you were just a guy in a paper suit who couldn't use any of his strengths effectively. You had only slightly faster speed, you couldn't dodge the vast majority of scans without gimping the fit, and you had a hard time fitting what you needed on the suit. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 3691	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:21:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! My god you are an arrogant sod...... for a scout I've never even heard of...... Come back when you are universally feared like Cyrius and Mr Mustard... or Marauder..... Annie Oakly, Calamity Jane, ShottygoBang...etc. What do I have to do to get on this "Universally Feared" List. I have been trying so hard... Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
jerrmy12 kahoalii 610	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:23:00 - [15] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: I smell grief... People set a target that is at best stupid, at worst a liability. So many people use stupid fittings and gimp themselves to try and fit within a certain frame of reference that they themselves have concocted. This game is a shooter, the goal is to win the round. Dust gives you two options in most cases, either clone the other team or destroy their MCC. The best way to perform either task is to kill and kill well. Now you complain about someone who does the job and does it well? Sounds to me like someone is just trying to set up Babar to fail in a suit that is gimped beyond recognition, which tells me all I need to know about their character. Because its not the scout role, and stacking plates on a min suit is broken... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 238	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:52:00 - [16] - Quote I watched the first few minutes and saw that everyone you killed was in militia - adv suits great matchmaking CCP put a few 40 mill SP vets against the nubs Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 588	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:10:00 - [17] - Quote He only killed one suit that wasn't wearing standard/mlt. But I'm not surprised, more often than not every "proof vid" that x is OP or isn't UP, is some guy on a stacked team moving down guys in mlt fit. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 319	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:20:00 - [18] - Quote What about a counter challenge, any of you scrubs up for it?
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 239	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:22:00 - [19] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: What about a counter challenge, any of you scrubs up for it? run my scout at 608 armor with a duvolle? I have done this and gone 53-4 Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 588	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:35:00 - [20] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: What about a counter challenge, any of you scrubs up for it? You clearly don't understand what is going. In that video just on the conditions alone that he set up for himself (a full squad vs. academy graduates), any suit could even mlt fit could shine. Seriously, unfair for him to against a bunch of suits in mlt fit with a SG? Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms

Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 319	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:45:00 - [21] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: What about a counter challenge, any of you scrubs up for it? You clearly don't understand what is going. In that video just on the conditions alone that he set up for himself (a full squad vs. academy graduates), any suit could even mlt fit could shine. Seriously, unfair for him to against a bunch of suits in mlt fit with a SG? Excellent, so you volunteer? I expect you to put out a video in a Minmatar Scout, low SP invested, lone squad member, go up against a stacked team and using a fitting that is in effect gimped. Have fun.
Adam Taurus Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:49:00 - [22] - Quote I love the song
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 588	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:57:00 - [23] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: What about a counter challenge, any of you scrubs up for it? You clearly don't understand what is going. In that video just on the conditions alone that he set up for himself (a full squad vs. academy graduates), any suit could even mlt fit could shine. Seriously, unfair for him to against a bunch of suits in mlt fit with a SG? Excellent, so you volunteer? I expect you to put out a video in a Minmatar Scout, low SP invested, lone squad member, go up against a stacked team and using a fitting that is in effect gimped. Have fun. And what would that prove? Nothing to do with this thread for sure. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 319	Posted - 2014.03.24 09:22:00 - [24] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: And what would that prove? Nothing to do with this thread for sure. He could run the same fit but with an equally fit squad on the other team. Posting a turkey shoot, while using x proves nothing. Being a turkey proves nothing. You use substandard arguments, what do you expect to prove yourself? Whining proves nothing else than being a whiner.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2033	Posted - 2014.03.24 09:37:00 - [25] - Quote "Yeah if I could be bothered to use a protosuit I'd easily go 30-0, almost every game". I've heard this or similar so many times now its getting old. To answer some of the QQ: - I have never used Nova knifes more than a few minutes the same goes for the shotty, I have no skills in wither of them. Asking me to use these weapons out of the blue without any experience is a little too much to ask for. Scrambler pistols are very Limited in terms of range compare to all the light weapons. - I did spec into one suit and used the enhanced variant as per request. If you expect me to spend about 1 M SP to spec into a weapon and a suit just to answer a Challenge then you're way off in terms of what any sane person is willing to do. - I played 9 CBs vs WTF saturday and 2 more vs others daytime sunday. I had sunday afternoon to do this and then we get the respec. I played 1 game, saw that it was good. Yes vs a losing team for sure, I still run around in a fairly competent manner, especially in the beginning and get 7 headshot kills and I do take out a bunch of fatsuits. - I'm pretty sure I could get a much better score if I played for a week and actually trained a little in that playstyle. My previous record in a scout suit and dual scramblers are 42-2, so I know I can do it. - It took me 3 hours to edit that vid and thats more than enough time spent on my part to anwer this silly mess. - I've noticed a trend here, the ones screaming the loudest on the forums, bragging the most, are normally the non-factors that nobody has ever heard off before. Don't be a forum Warrior! - Requesting me to go 35-5, a very good score for any suit IMO, in a purpusfully gimped out moronic setup, cause "thats what we do", just goes to show how stuck up some of Your guy are. Put up a vid of Your own and I'll come here and tell you what big scrubs you are..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 351	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:24:00 - [26] - Quote The issue with the Scout suit isn't that it can't be used effectively, it's that there isn't any real reason to use it. You can use it as a lightweight Assault suit, you gain some speed, a lower scan profile and come 1.8, an additional equipment slot and it works fine. The real problem lies in the fact that Dust doesn't have or require any diversity on the battlefield. In my opinion, Scouts and Logis shouldn't be straight up combat suits. Scouts should be about E-war and gathering information while Logis should be much closer to a sapper or combat engineer, building and blowing things up basically. Unfortunately, there is no need for any of those roles. E-war comes down who has the better mini-map and being a "proper" Logi currently consists of following heavies around with a repair tool, or being an Assault but with more nanohives, and until we see an expansion of what's required on the battlefield beyond the two things that are currently necessary (killing and capturing objectives), Scouts will be caught in the limbo of being sort of useful.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 589	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:30:00 - [27] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: And what would that prove? Nothing to do with this thread for sure. He could run the same fit but with an equally fit squad on the other team. Posting a turkey shoot, while using x proves nothing. Being a turkey proves nothing. You use substandard arguments, what do you expect to prove yourself? Whining proves nothing else than being a whiner. Are you fucktarded? I've said nothing except that killing a bunch of mlt suits proves nothing especially with things stacked in your favor. -To get back to the overlying argument. KingBabar is arguing the claims of scout suits in an competitive environment being underpowered are false. -Then he submits 'proof' of himself performing in a non-competitive scenario. Hence, I said I like to seem him going against a team with a competitive squad on the other side, and not an entire team comprised of mlt suits. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
jerrmy12 kahoalii 612	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:33:00 - [28] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: The issue with the Scout suit isn't that it can't be used effectively, it's that there isn't any real reason to use it. You can use it as a lightweight Assault suit, you gain some speed, a lower scan profile and come 1.8, an additional equipment slot and it works fine. The real problem lies in the fact that Dust doesn't have or require any diversity on the battlefield. In my opinion, Scouts and Logis shouldn't be straight up combat suits. Scouts should be about E-war and gathering information while Logis should be much closer to a sapper or combat engineer, building and blowing things up basically. Unfortunately, there is no need for any of those roles. E-war comes down who has the better mini-map and being a "proper" Logi currently consists of following heavies around with a repair tool, or being an Assault but with more nanohives, and until we see an expansion of what's required on the battlefield beyond the two things that are currently necessary (killing and capturing objectives), Scouts will be caught in the limbo of being sort of useful. Sure there will Caldari scout for squad scanning Gallente for complete stealth, good for gaurding objectives when you know enemies will be there or attacking cal scouts, minmatar for really quck hacks to flip an objectives, amarr are a differwnt story. Amarr logi for uplinks, caldari logi for repping hives, greneade resupplying and ammo, gallente for doubvole focused scan, or a proxy scanner, minmatar for repping. Need I say more... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2494	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:40:00 - [29] - Quote Thanks Babar, I applaud you for at least giving this a go when most of the requesters were obviously going to call you out whatever the results was. However, playing one match against what was obviously an extremely sub-standard team and not even getting close to the huge scores you usually get isn't a great showing. I appreciate you don't have the time to be able to do any more than this but surely you yourself can acknowledge that this is not nearly enough to be considered representative and if anything actually supports our comments that the advanced scout suits are indeed UP. Surely if one of the top players in the game can only do that well in the suit against a team of utter noobs, that means the suit's sub-par? Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1840	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:49:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I'd also like to reccomend my 3 min "Master Chef" montage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Look how awesome it is when you dont instadie from every bullet. I-¦m glad TTK is going to be longer in 1.8. Drop it like its hat.

Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1703	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:15:00 - [31] - Quote You had a squad of 843 on your side. 4/10 enemies were in Player Owned Corps. Not a single organized squad. Niether a "you have been scanned" nor "Scan attempt prevented." 3 adv sentinel kills 4 std assault kills 1 adv light frame kill 1 adv assault kill 15 mlt kills The heavy frames didn't even take a shot at you until you unloaded a full clip. Troll bait? or are you seriously just that conceited that you think stomping down on people that clearly don't even know what they are doing is showing off your skills and how balanced a suit is? Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 482	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:53:00 - [32] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: You had a squad of 843 on your side. 4/10 enemies were in Player Owned Corps. Not a single organized squad. Niether a "you have been scanned" nor "Scan attempt prevented." 3 adv sentinel kills 4 std assault kills 1 adv light frame kill 1 adv assault kill 15 mlt kills The heavy frames didn't even take a shot at you until you unloaded a full clip. Troll bait? or are you seriously just that conceited that you think stomping down on people that clearly don't even know what they are doing is showing off your skills and how balanced a suit is? Got my vote for CPM thank you very much! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 482	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:54:00 - [33] - Quote So how is it a gimped fit ? Cuz I gave you Mr. Musturds fit Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2036	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:58:00 - [34] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: You had a squad of 843 on your side. 4/10 enemies were in Player Owned Corps. Not a single organized squad. Niether a "you have been scanned" nor "Scan attempt prevented." 3 adv sentinel kills 4 std assault kills 1 adv light frame kill 1 adv assault kill 15 mlt kills The heavy frames didn't even take a shot at you until you unloaded a full clip. Troll bait? or are you seriously just that conceited that you think stomping down on people that clearly don't even know what they are doing is showing off your skills and how balanced a suit is? I did acknowlege that this match wasn't the best in terms of solid opposition. My point still stands though, I've used stealthy low HP fittings now for quite some time. My Cal logi Works ok, but personally its way too slow and it doesn't have a sidearm. I can also do it With a caldari Assault but I still think the scout suit is better due to superior speed, putting 2 dampeners on a Caldari Assault don't leave much room for much else. In a competititive game (not PC) against a good team it all comes Down to the situational nature of such a fitting. In the city maps I'd imagine I do good, lets say a 2 KDR, which is better than most dedicated scouts in games like that. But I won't do good on a vast open map With 2 proto Squads camping With RRs.... Anyways, I'm tired of nitpicking. I never meant for this to be "proof" of anything. I played 1 game, did fairly good and that was that. But if I can og 24-2 in the first random game I play, and I'm not an especially good player, I can't but Wonder what would happen With this setup in the hands of a player With excellent gungame who also actually have used it for awhile... I know thats not relevant from a balancing perspective but it makes me Wonder... And another thing, if going 24-2 that round was so easy that anyone could do it, why do I see so many scouts getting so many bad scores in similar games? In my experience most of the games I play in Dust are like this, 3 minutes of fighting and then 10 minutes on the redline. Its just the way of the game. So I can't help but Wonder, if going 24-2 or better vs scrub opponets is so very easy, how is it then that threre are so few scouts With a KDR of 5+? Yes they might get it in the face more often than the med suits but they should have plenty of games vs all the militia scrubs out there, and those games should boost that KDR no? All in all I am looking foreward to the New scut suits in 1.8. My point still stands though, I think at least the Galente suit is an excellent suit in its current state and many of the QQ threads made by many scouts on these forums appear to me now as WAAAA WAAAA whining by players being to focused on "being scouts" and too little on being soldiers.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2037	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:11:00 - [35] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Thanks Babar, I applaud you for at least giving this a go when most of the requesters were obviously going to call you out whatever the results was. However, playing one match against what was obviously an extremely sub-standard team and not even getting close to the huge scores you usually get isn't a great showing. I appreciate you don't have the time to be able to do any more than this but surely you yourself can acknowledge that this is not nearly enough to be considered representative and if anything actually supports our comments that the advanced scout suits are indeed UP. Surely if one of the top players in the game can only do that well in the suit against a team of utter noobs, that means the suit's sub-par? LOL @ "the huge scores you usually get" and "one of the top players in the game" Those two were way off, I have my good and bad days as anybody else but 24-2 is definately a score I'm happy With, on average its way less than that. And no, I'm not one of the top players, I'm merely a logi With a thouch of gungame and tactical understanding. Its mostly that the entire Dust playerbase suck on average, I'm mediocre at best when it comes to FPSs in general. On everything else I agree. This wasn't meant to prove anything. For me though, this game tells me that there are a huge potential in this fit. Do remember one thing: I'm not used to this. I'm used to running 700-900 HP With rep hives, a CR, Duvolle or indeed the Amarr Assault Imperial combo. I'm not exactly used to running speedy low HP fits. Just pay attention to how bad I fire the pistols sometimes during that round, give me a week With a fit like this and I'm personally convinced that I could make it work. Naturally, going up face to face vs a galente logi standing on two triage hives and a proto CR or RR, or a similar stacked situation I don't expect to do very well. Its a scout suit and one shouldn't expect that of it anyways... +1 For typing in a mature balanced manner. You're here to argue, not to do whatever you can to put me Down, I have enough of those.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1159	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:17:00 - [36] - Quote I went 28-1 in my mk.0 knifer suit the other day, with Ishukone Nova Knives and an assault scrambler pistol. It is possible to do well, although granted, most of my games are not nearly so good when rocking nova knives (usually I aim for a 3+ KDR, and 3.5ish has been my average since starting to run scout full time, typically SG/SMG or nova knife/SMG/pistol). I was running solo but a blueberry did join me and contributed to us getting a last minute orbital. There were no clear full squads on either side, just a trio of Molon Labe. on their side and a pair of s i n g u l a r i t y on my side. It was a domination game on Fracture Road.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:42:00 - [37] - Quote I was inspired by the last thread to try the Gallente scout. Now, I have been using the Minmatar scout suit since release with a focus on shotguns, though I also use the combat rifle a fair amount, also nova knives for fun and I always pure shield tank it. So with the proto Gal scout I made a fit similar to King Babar's original fit with 3 enhanced plates, a repper and a proto combat rifle (aurum as I don't have the skills, only proto shotguns and knives). In the third game I went 38-1, which is possibly my best ever score. It was a game similar to the video posted. Mostly against lower skill opponents in poor gear, though it was a skirmish and was reasonably close. I also applaud King Babar for taking up the challenge and making the video. So the question is, are scouts fine as they are? Meaning the months of vocal concerns from the scout community have just been QQ and 1.8 will see scout suits unfairly buffed into OP-land? It's quite a complex issue. Firstly you have to understand that scout suits are currently in a better place right now than they have been throughout uprising. There are many issues that people have rightly complained about to do with scouts that seem to have been sorted out. Off the top of my head I can think of - scanning changed so there is a point in having a low profile - shotgun and nova knife hit detection fixed - objective and instillation "perfect scan" removed - aim assist slightly reduced So in these cases the complaining was justified. Additionally a lot of complaints have been to do with issues that are not relevant to King's experience with scouts, for example the high skill requirement to avoid scanners (which is essential to there being a point in a scout suit), or the fact that the minmatar or low sp gallente scouts have a uselessly low passive scan range even after the supposed "buff". These are also valid complaints. As for overall balance as the game stands now in 1.7 I can see that King has wisely conceded that he cannot comment on minmatar scout balance as he has not tried it, though if we were to conclude that scout QQ in general was unjustified it would also cast doubt on so-called problems with the min scout. So just looking at Gallente. I think people are right that the test was not very fair. Though King only played one game it did turn out to be a stomp against poor players in bad gear. This means it is difficult to draw conclusions from either King's game or my 38-1 skirmish. In both situations you would expect to do well with any other suit. I will say however that a scout suit is particularly good at stomping noobs. The speed, scan and stealth combo is excellent for picking off lone, spread-out players. Also the alpha strike you get from stalking prey with a scout is particularly effective against lower hp enemies, both situations found against unorganized randoms. So in these situations you would in fact expect to do better in a scout than a medium suit, but the ability to stomp noobs is hardly a good indication of how good a suit is. Another thing to note is that whilst King is new to the suit he has experience playing as a stealth assault, which is very similar to the Gallente scout, especially when fit with armor instead of speed mods. I think that Gallente scouts work well when armor tanked and played like an assault with a rifle or when hunting unorganized players. Trouble is when playing games against a balanced team you find that the ability to use speed and stealth does not quite make up for the benefits you would get with a medium suit. Also if you heavily armor tank you may as well use a medium suit. Perhaps it is hard to tell exactly what the problems are. I certainly don't have enough experience to know for sure, and to be honest there hasn't been much QQ in this area. I do believe the opinion of my fellow scouts though, this is because I know they are right about minmatar scouts, a suit that I have played with for over a year, using a multitude of fits, not just ones the community came up with (before you say anything armor tanking it is not very effective). This biggest change coming in 1.8 is the addition of one extra module slot for scouts. Cloaks are a separate issue and since they have a specific purpose I don't think they really affect balance very much. So will the extra slot push scouts into being OP? I personally don't think so. At most the issue is unclear and impossible to say. As for answering King's original question about QQ I hope I have explained why I think it has been mostly justified.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1120	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:12:00 - [38] - Quote This is KingBabar 101. Stomp noobs all day errr'y day. This game massively caters to pub stompers its actually incredible. Like Steadyhand said in another thread - that's fine IF we could chose the level of danger / the level of risk we want to participate in but sadly we cannot and that is one of the main reasons f**k all people play this game. If we had the equivalent of high sec / low sec / null sec (militia + standard // Adv. + Proto) then the playerbase might grow. Investigate 9/11
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 388	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:17:00 - [39] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT AND YOU COOKED A GRENADE TO KILL THEM AND YOUR TEAM HAD EM REDLINED FROM THE START! WHAT NOOB SERVER WERE YOU ON? HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! is this my old lady, because you sure wine like her. the only people complaining in here are just the whiney azzes who complain constantly. i mean look at this guy crying because the enemy wasn't "good" enough. then he goes on to cry about the setup hes using. these are just elitist azzzholes who hate the fact that kingbabar would/has shredded them many times over, and they are going to cry regardless. tell your mom I said hi kid, and go back down stairs.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 48	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:50:00 - [40] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Thanks Babar, I applaud you for at least giving this a go when most of the requesters were obviously going to call you out whatever the results was. However, playing one match against what was obviously an extremely sub-standard team and not even getting close to the huge scores you usually get isn't a great showing. I appreciate you don't have the time to be able to do any more than this but surely you yourself can acknowledge that this is not nearly enough to be considered representative and if anything actually supports our comments that the advanced scout suits are indeed UP. Surely if one of the top players in the game can only do that well in the suit against a team of utter noobs, that means the suit's sub-par? Hey, I am that guy that plays in sub-standard teams all the time, and I find that offensive! Just the fact that I run basic scout suits most of the time, that I play almost only solo, that I try to AV as a scout makes me an "utter noob"? Well I guess youre right... I am that guy that gets killed by King Babar any day in any suit he lowers himself to wearing. Yes I hate that ... yes I wish dust hadnt that veteran-bias ... yes I may quit next month ... but I never quit a match just cause I am afraid of losing, or out of rage (even though rage is my daily dust experience). Salute to all you militia noobs. You are like me. I love you. You are underrepresented in this forum. And I vow to be your voice!

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2315	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:59:00 - [41] - Quote So... What kind of team was the famous 35/5 game played against, anyway? Were I to guess, I'd wager it was against a similar team... Now definitely this video doesn't invalidate the QQ of scouts for what seems like forever now (and as a tanker I empathise with that xD - seems like you're about to get the same treatment) but equally I don't think it's fair to dismiss the video because it was against 'scrubs'. For those complaining that he didn't use NK and SG or whatever - really? You use these weapons day in, day out, and you pull a 35/5 (which doesn't really seem all that stellar considering the scores I've seen Fusion pull with his SG and REs). This guy comes along, realises that he quite likes the play style that scouts have, and finds it reasonably effective, enough that it makes him doubt that scouts truly are as UP as you all say, and that you guys might just be bads who are using the scout suit as an excuse. You take umbrage, reasonably enough, I suppose, throw a fit and yell and scream that he now has to match your best score using your suit that you built for your play style with your weapons that you've used for months. And then when he takes the spirit of the challenge and does well with it, you throw a tantrum. Well done. For what it's worth, I see quite a few players using bricked GalScouts at a high level of play. I know a guy who uses a speed-tanked shotgunner; he seems to do well with it. It amuses me when scouts complain about tankers. "All you guys want is to be OP". I remember fighting scouts that I could barely even kill with my Scattered Ion Cannon. Which would two-shot them - if the hits actually detected. Anyway, this started off as two cents, but turned into me giving you a whole dollar, so enjoy it. I'm going to bed. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2048	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:11:00 - [42] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Suff A good post indeed. + 1 To be technical: I now use mostly a suit with 160 shields and 349 armor, 377 on some fits. - Scanners haven't really changed since launch, they just changed the effect on the minimap. I has enhanced scanner from day one and I used it and saw the effect it had on my squadmates. What has changed is the way it has gone from the occational user to being overly used - Shot gun and nova knife issues are gun issues, not suit issues, but I do see your point. - Could you elaborate on the "perfect objective scan"? I dunnno what you mean by this. Anyways, some good points here but my initial point still stands. I am looking foreward to the new suits, I can finally after 2 years spec into "my suit" the one I intended to use from the time of early beta. What will be exciting is if my long term KDR or indeed general performance will drop from my about 5 KDR and about 4.5 Win/loss ratio, can I keep this up going from a OP/UP caldari logi suit to a low hp scout suit? - I'll keep 3 m SP in reserve just in case I get owned.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2496	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:36:00 - [43] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Django Quik wrote: Thanks Babar, I applaud you for at least giving this a go when most of the requesters were obviously going to call you out whatever the results was. However, playing one match against what was obviously an extremely sub-standard team and not even getting close to the huge scores you usually get isn't a great showing. I appreciate you don't have the time to be able to do any more than this but surely you yourself can acknowledge that this is not nearly enough to be considered representative and if anything actually supports our comments that the advanced scout suits are indeed UP. Surely if one of the top players in the game can only do that well in the suit against a team of utter noobs, that means the suit's sub-par? Hey, I am that guy that plays in sub-standard teams all the time, and I find that offensive! Just the fact that I run basic scout suits most of the time, that I play almost only solo, that I try to AV as a scout makes me an "utter noob"? Well I guess youre right... I am that guy that gets killed by King Babar any day in any suit he lowers himself to wearing. Yes I hate that ... yes I wish dust hadnt that veteran-bias ... yes I may quit next month ... but I never quit a match just cause I am afraid of losing, or out of rage (even though rage is my daily dust experience). Salute to all you militia noobs. You are like me. I love you. You are underrepresented in this forum. And I vow to be your voice! What is this? Is this some sort of weird trolling attempt? You take offense because I said he was against a poor team? What the heck does this have anything to do with you? This is about Babar; not you or anyone else that might fall under the same abilities as those he played against in that video. And @KingBabar - you may not count yourself a top player but as you point out yourself, KD of 5 and WL of 4.5; that's definitely in the top percentile of players and at least double most decent scouts (MOST! NOT ALL!). Oh yeah, and the installation perfect scan thing was when all installations/objectives/CRUs/Supply depots had a scan radius of ~30m and a zero precision that if anyone with any profile went anywhere near, they'd be lit up for the entire enemy team to see. This was fixed in 1.7 I believe (may have been 1.6). Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 30	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:43:00 - [44] - Quote Thank you King Barbar, to clarify a couple of points: What I meant by "scanning change" wasn't a change to the active scanner itself but the change to shared team vision brought in in 1.4. Not sure what you would call it but you will remember that before 1.4 if anyone in your team had line of sight to an enemy they would appear on your radar. This meant that nobody used scanners as most of the time enemies were already visible on the radar. This situation meant there was no point in having a low scan profile since nobody used active or passive scanners. Also as soon as you were spotted by one person your position was given away to the whole enemy team. Thankfully this was removed, necessitating the use of scanning resulting is their widespread adoption post 1.4. "Perfect objective scanning" is referring to the situation we had (I can't remember through which patches, think it was only fixed with 1.7) where enemy installations and objectives had a scan precision of 0 and broadcast your position to the entire enemy team. This obviously made stealth/behind enemy lines game-play rather difficult. I very much doubt scout suits will still be underpowered come 1.8, hopefully they will just be balanced. I think the bigger issue here is whether low slot modules other than armor are worth it, regardless of what suit you use. I will continue to try to make them work. I love that you use dampeners on an assault suit. I think all too often people are too quick to declare something UP or useless without taking the time to think about how to use it properly and I hope to see more people like you who try to make things work. In the case of scouts though, there have been a number of problems.
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:51:00 - [45] - Quote As all can see from the leaderboards me and my squad were in that match too, I remember seeing Babar and wondering why he was using an assault scrambler pistol! As you can see my squad of had a combined score of 79-6. The team we were facing really were a bunch of complete noobs I remember that match. But still, it's a good feat to achieve nonetheless with such a fitting that you're not used to. Twin brother of 843-BANE
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2049	Posted - 2014.03.24 17:33:00 - [46] - Quote I thought the team shared minimap view got fixed by launch, I'm probably mistaken. In any case, yeah I can definately see that as a major flucking problem for all who tries to sneak about. Its a long time ago but I remember ending the third beta build with a 2.71 KDR going scout and scrambler pistols. But back then the pistol had 120 M range and a sight much like the old laser sight, just a single blue dot that turned red on enemies, brilliant. I remember some golden moments were I gor sniped and lost 95% of my hp followed by a 180 degree bunnyhop and a quickscoppe headshot kill at 100+ meters, those were the days.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
pseudosnipre 616	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:31:00 - [47] - Quote In 1.8 the scout will be in the best condition it has ever been in. The last year of hard-fought progress on behalf of the dedicated-scout community is the single most significant enabler to this momentous event. Running FOTM, building 20+M SP, and then proclaiming in the last week of 1.7 that scout is fine because you stomped in one match... You deserve the same amount of respect as: A reservist telling a homeless, double-amputee vietnam vet that being in the military is easy. A teen telling gray-haired civil rights activists that being black is easy. An absentee, video game addicted dad raised in a single-parent household telling his mother that raising kids is easy. You weren't there and you didn't help. Despite reaping the rewards, your reputation will always precede you the guy that mocked his predecessors and doesn't appreciate what was given him. Enjoy your KDR. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1052	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:39:00 - [48] - Quote I see you have changed, not you proto stomper i used to see, you are still untrusted though. To be fair you are just one of those scout wannabes who knows scouts are going to be the new FOTM. Your true intentions must be revealed. EDIT: You should try not to kill redberries. *Assassination is my thing.*
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 490	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:49:00 - [49] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT AND YOU COOKED A GRENADE TO KILL THEM AND YOUR TEAM HAD EM REDLINED FROM THE START! WHAT NOOB SERVER WERE YOU ON? HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! is this my old lady, because you sure wine like her. the only people complaining in here are just the whiney azzes who complain constantly. i mean look at this guy crying because the enemy wasn't "good" enough. then he goes on to cry about the setup hes using. these are just elitist azzzholes who hate the fact that kingbabar would/has shredded them many times over, and they are going to cry regardless. tell your mom I said hi kid, and go back down stairs. LOOK KNOB, I challenged him after his arrogant "scouts are fine I got a proto in one day tanked it like a slayer LOGI with 800hp an alloteck hives an went 40/2!" He was challenged to use a minmatar scout not a gallente with shields and biotics and knives and a pistol, not a 500 HPdual brick with two guns that'll drop a heavy in a clip and especially in some red line stomp with a squad! I was honestly rooting for the guy cuz I really thought he could do it, but then I see he posts some insulting dual tanked noob killer video and it's friggen insulting to challenge , have him accept it and change the rules and dorks like you back him up! That wasn't the challenge plain and simple so don't post the video acting like you deserve some pat on the back. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 493	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:46:00 - [50] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: In 1.8 the scout will be in the best condition it has ever been in. The last year of hard-fought progress on behalf of the dedicated-scout community is the single most significant enabler to this momentous event. Running FOTM, building 20+M SP, and then proclaiming in the last week of 1.7 that scout is fine because you stomped in one match... You deserve the same amount of respect as: A reservist telling a homeless, double-amputee vietnam vet that being in the military is easy. A teen telling gray-haired civil rights activists that being black is easy. An absentee, video game addicted dad raised in a single-parent household telling his mother that raising kids is easy. You weren't there and you didn't help. Despite reaping the rewards, your reputation will always precede you the guy that mocked his predecessors and doesn't appreciate what was given him. Enjoy your KDR. And thats how it's done, =ƒæèKO Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5203	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:48:00 - [51] - Quote Even if he is tanking HP, it still shows the potential of the current Scouts and how people could use the suits from outside their intended area. 1.8 Scouts need their sidearms removed, nuff said. fuckign casuls
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2052	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:53:00 - [52] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: pyramidhead 420 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT, WTF, dude cooooommmonnn! You make a video to show everyone that scouts are fine, you post these threads bragging, you were challenged to use a 310 HP min matar scout which you didn't , you chose to rock a almost 500 HP gal scout with passive reps from the reactive plate, THEN......... I watch the video to see you bust ace with these pistols and....... LMFAO.... EVERYONE YOU KILLED WAS A NOOB IN MILITIA GEAR OR STD AND THE ONLY HARD SUITS IN THE GAME WAS ONE PRO LOGI ( being a LOGI ) and A ADV CAL ASSAULT AND YOU COOKED A GRENADE TO KILL THEM AND YOUR TEAM HAD EM REDLINED FROM THE START! WHAT NOOB SERVER WERE YOU ON? HAHA MAN GTFOUTTTTA HERE WIT DAT SHYT! Are you FO REAL! Go back to your AR core locus LOGI fit bro! is this my old lady, because you sure wine like her. the only people complaining in here are just the whiney azzes who complain constantly. i mean look at this guy crying because the enemy wasn't "good" enough. then he goes on to cry about the setup hes using. these are just elitist azzzholes who hate the fact that kingbabar would/has shredded them many times over, and they are going to cry regardless. tell your mom I said hi kid, and go back down stairs. LOOK KNOB, I challenged him after his arrogant "scouts are fine I got a proto in one day tanked it like a slayer LOGI with 800hp an alloteck hives an went 40/2!" He was challenged to use a minmatar scout not a gallente with shields and biotics and knives and a pistol, not a 500 HPdual brick with two guns that'll drop a heavy in a clip and especially in some red line stomp with a squad! I was honestly rooting for the guy cuz I really thought he could do it, but then I see he posts some insulting dual tanked noob killer video and it's friggen insulting to challenge , have him accept it and change the rules and dorks like you back him up! That wasn't the challenge plain and simple so don't post the video acting like you deserve some pat on the back. - The Galente scout is fine. Its funny how both Rafa, Extacy, Tosh and many more, you know, good players, continue to dominate with this suit just as they do with their tanked assault and logi suits. - I have no SP in the Minmatar scout suit and the respec is tomorrow, no time or indeed willingness from me to spend skillpoints into something just to give some random forum warrior his will. - LOL @ your "with two guns that will drop a heavy in a clip", cause you know, you gotta relaod that shotty several times to take one down, and the NK needs to cool down..... If dual scramblers and a scout suit is in anyway OP then strange that I hardly see anyone using them. Why do most scouts use shottys or NK if the scramblers are so much better? This statement shows me your griefing intentions or severe lack of normal intelligence, it has to be one of the two cause you're not in anyway objective or seems to have thought it through. - The suit I used had about 450 total HP, I'd hardly cal that "brick tanked". You say: "after his arrogant "scouts are fine I got a proto in one day tanked it like a slayer LOGI with 800hp an alloteck hives an went 40/2!" - What you say is inaccurate at best. I used a 630 HP suit, and I haven't been close to a 40-2 score, that was an older number, around 30-3 I think is the best in 1.7. And furthermore, I said: For me this suit seems fine the way it is, I've seen QQ for a year and I wonder why, or indeed if it's been legit. - Some people come with constructive replies like the previous scanning mechanics and the reduction of AA. You come here and spew out some butthurt general BS. - Just as my vid doesn't really prove anything, (It did atleast give a sense of great potential and that you can easily drop suits with 3 times your HP as long as you flank, play smart and get the drop on people) you setting a goal for me with guns I haven't used, with a suit setup I'd probably never construct myself doesn't really prove anything either. So if I came on here and said, "I've done 10 games and my best was 25-10. Would that somehow prove that the suit is UP? I think not. - I'd also like to know who your main is, that would be interresting to know. I guess you have more than 2033 kills total in this game? If not, you're hardly a guy that have the experience needed to make your opinion matter..... - So lets flip this around: You go solo, do whatever sort of groundpounder fit you want. Go in and get a good score and present it too us. I'll be delighted. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
norttheantiv The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 106	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:59:00 - [53] - Quote From what I can tell, the people who are giving out are sayin that babar used the wrong fit. If this fit is available to everyone then why are people complaining? It shows the suit to viable, was that not the point of the exercise? If his fit is more viable then yours then maybe you should consider your fit? Winner EU Squad Cup Go Go Power Rangers!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 280	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:32:00 - [54] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I stopped reading when you wrote that CQC weapon transcendence wasn't fair. I went from Assault Scrambler Rifle Scout to Shotty Scout with little problems back in 1.4. It's a waste of time to read any posts made by KingFlabar GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2501	Posted - 2014.03.24 22:52:00 - [55] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Even if he is tanking HP, it still shows the potential of the current Scouts and how people could use the suits from outside their intended area. 1.8 Scouts need their sidearms removed, nuff said. I liked this until the last line - that sh*t is just trolling nonsense. The only reason we got a second equipment slot was because CCP made our role bonus entirely reliant on using a cloak and made it equipment instead of built in. It's not like we're suddenly going to all become logis with our amazing 2 equipment slots! Scouts do have potential and if you've been paying attention, you'd have noticed almost no complaining from scouts since 1.7 because we are in a much better place now. However, we still pale in comparison to current med frames and heavies, even if select very good players can do well in them. In 1.8 scouts and heavies get some very much needed attention to bring them into their intended roles. Sadly CCP didn't have time to go to the same effort with the med frames, so some scouts in 1.8 may outclass some assaults or logis but that is acknowledged and will be changed, likely in the next patch after 1.8. Removing the sidearm would gimp CQC scouts, destroy nova knife fits and turn scouts into the weak logis nobody wants them to be. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3713	Posted - 2014.03.25 00:24:00 - [56] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Even if he is tanking HP, it still shows the potential of the current Scouts and how people could use the suits from outside their intended area. 1.8 Scouts need their sidearms removed, nuff said. Only if knives take up an equipment slot (Along with swarms and PLC's) Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
pseudosnipre 621	Posted - 2014.03.25 00:29:00 - [57] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Even if he is tanking HP, it still shows the potential of the current Scouts and how people could use the suits from outside their intended area. 1.8 Scouts need their sidearms removed, nuff said. Only if knives take up an equipment slot (Along with swarms and PLC's) Are you an IWS alt? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6117	Posted - 2014.03.25 00:29:00 - [58] - Quote norttheantiv wrote: From what I can tell, the people who are giving out are sayin that babar used the wrong fit. If this fit is available to everyone then why are people complaining? It shows the suit to viable, was that not the point of the exercise? If his fit is more viable then yours then maybe you should consider your fit? I think the main problem with that is the fact that stacking armor plates lowers one of your suit's greatest strengths. Your speed. Also, I don't believe that CCP intended Scouts to be brick tanked like a Heavies and Medium Frames. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND


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