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Second Cerberus wrote:

I would agree the NPE parallels to EvE are a bit of a stretch as the games are operating under completely separate business models.

Only a few percent of FTP players are going to spend money and as players gain SP, they have less use for boosters and the like meaning sales to existing players could stagnate. In my opinion, BPO's were the best monetized option that CCP has offered and they are on their way out. I don't even look at the new packs as I have enough SP to skill into at least the STD level of the suits and weapons I'm interested in.

A successful FTP game needs a large, renewing player base. EvE has true PVE to ease players into the game and the subscription model to make a smaller player base viable. DUST has neither of these.

A stagnant userbase with no need for consumable microtransactions is the quickest way to kill DUST. Everyone should support a better NPE to attract new players. I am really struggling to think of how a bigger userbase would be a negative for any vet.

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TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.03.23 03:13:00 - [31] - Quote Beeeees wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >Implying implications artificially skilled I can edit posts and pretend I am quoting. YEAHHHH!!!!!
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3129	Posted - 2014.03.23 03:16:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: When I joined, there wasn't even an academy, and we had to look through a wall of text to learn everything. If you were playing on standard definition (as I was at the time), said wall of text was nearly unreadable because the font size at the time was meant for HD. HTFU. Back in my day swarm launcher were used as anti-infantry..... Selling Templar BPO's Last of the BPO's(Click link) I feed off your tears
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.03.23 03:39:00 - [33] - Quote I know for myself, when my ps3 friends ask me about this game when they see me playing it from time to time, I just tell them it's my guilty pleasure. I tell them though no one should start playing this game, there is no real reason to play a game like this "now", when it started sure, but at this point, it's a sinking ship with no land in sight. This new update isn't going to do anything but give the vets some new things to play with for a bit, hell that's why I'm playing again for now, but the newbies will still be getting thrown into the pit with a rusty spoon and told to "HTFU". Edit: After all games are meant to be fun. Inb4 flaying their genitals by dying over and over to proto stomps = fun Double-Edit: Also, Inb4 but Eve is like this game. Really? Where's the ******* PVE? Because, PVE would give newbies something to do between wincing from the proto-stomps. Where's our High-Sec? How is this game anything like Eve? Because it shares lore? Woooooooooo!!!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2198	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:41:00 - [34] - Quote when I joined...I watched you tube videos explaining everything I ever needed to know...including spawning mechanics, proper fitting tactics, sp mechanics, capping rules, general sniping locations, and strengthes and weakness of various builds.... yep thinking outside the box made life easy ^^
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 95	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:43:00 - [35] - Quote I would agree the NPE parallels to EvE are a bit of a stretch as the games are operating under completely separate business models. Only a few percent of FTP players are going to spend money and as players gain SP, they have less use for boosters and the like meaning sales to existing players could stagnate. In my opinion, BPO's were the best monetized option that CCP has offered and they are on their way out. I don't even look at the new packs as I have enough SP to skill into at least the STD level of the suits and weapons I'm interested in. A successful FTP game needs a large, renewing player base. EvE has true PVE to ease players into the game and the subscription model to make a smaller player base viable. DUST has neither of these. A stagnant userbase with no need for consumable microtransactions is the quickest way to kill DUST. Everyone should support a better NPE to attract new players. I am really struggling to think of how a bigger userbase would be a negative for any vet. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 95	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:47:00 - [36] - Quote calisk galern wrote: when I joined...I watched you tube videos explaining everything I ever needed to know...including spawning mechanics, proper fitting tactics, sp mechanics, capping rules, general sniping locations, and strengthes and weakness of various builds.... yep thinking outside the box made life easy ^^ I know every time I get invited to try a FTP game, I always make a point to do a day or two of youtube research before I download the game and give it a try. Doesn't everybody? (/sarcasm) Seriously, though I understand your point which I think is you get out of DUST what you put into it and that's a valid point. However, no one is saying new players should be able to spawn into a PC match without putting in the time, but should new players be kicked straight into tankbush/protostomp 514? How does a better NPE hurt anyone? "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Tectonic Fusion 1281	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:48:00 - [37] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Started the next match and I get ganked by a viziam... da fuq? Yeah, it will be pretty good next update, along with the Mass Driver with the buffs to it. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:49:00 - [38] - Quote Second Cerberus wrote: I would agree the NPE parallels to EvE are a bit of a stretch as the games are operating under completely separate business models. Only a few percent of FTP players are going to spend money and as players gain SP, they have less use for boosters and the like meaning sales to existing players could stagnate. In my opinion, BPO's were the best monetized option that CCP has offered and they are on their way out. I don't even look at the new packs as I have enough SP to skill into at least the STD level of the suits and weapons I'm interested in. A successful FTP game needs a large, renewing player base. EvE has true PVE to ease players into the game and the subscription model to make a smaller player base viable. DUST has neither of these. A stagnant userbase with no need for consumable microtransactions is the quickest way to kill DUST. Everyone should support a better NPE to attract new players. I am really struggling to think of how a bigger userbase would be a negative for any vet. From what I can tell, it's because CCP itself on numerous occasions, even so far as making a ******** music video, has supported the screw the new guy attitude. Yes it's childish but the fans will mimic the attitude of the developers. That and of the hundred or so people I've spoken to over comms since I started playing this only 5 of them could I say are mature adults. Plenty of adults, but many are your stoner gangster wannabes or the classic fps nerd where he has to one up everyone in conversation and act like a complete tool. Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is the community being awful doesn't help the NPE either, hence Sebiestor Field Sappers fo life fo shizzle.....
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 282	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:58:00 - [39] - Quote there's absolutely no way i can talk someone into downloading this and then feel good about myself.. 3-5 fatal errors a night, every match is totally lagging, tank spam, etc. no normal person would put up with this sht. the lag and hardfreezing and fat erroring has reached an unacceptable level and they're just like ignoring the issue. the lag is effecting my whole squad so it cant be just my connection. the server just stops, everyone freezes running in place.. then it starts up again in between all that is the normal lag. this game retrded as F. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 76	Posted - 2014.03.23 05:13:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: When I joined there was no wall of text. and with that I think you might have just won this round.

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3104	Posted - 2014.03.23 05:43:00 - [41] - Quote The new EP might turn things around, but being a new player now is an exercise in masochism. The longer this goes on, the more potential customers are lost for good.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 208	Posted - 2014.03.23 11:56:00 - [42] - Quote Second Cerberus wrote: calisk galern wrote: when I joined...I watched you tube videos explaining everything I ever needed to know...including spawning mechanics, proper fitting tactics, sp mechanics, capping rules, general sniping locations, and strengthes and weakness of various builds.... yep thinking outside the box made life easy ^^ I know every time I get invited to try a FTP game, I always make a point to do a day or two of youtube research before I download the game and give it a try. Doesn't everybody? (/sarcasm) He had been doing youtube research for the last few days too lol and I tossed him a M isk just to cover intro costs which helped. also managed to drop a dude and steal his tank on his 4th match ever which was definitely the highlight of the day. We're squading up again this afternoon so this is actually a success story but just further illustrates the abysmal NPE Welcome to you're "DOOM"
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1568	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:23:00 - [43] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: there's absolutely no way i can talk someone into downloading this and then feel good about myself.. 3-5 fatal errors a night, every match is totally lagging, tank spam, etc. no normal person would put up with this sht. the lag and hardfreezing and fat erroring has reached an unacceptable level and they're just like ignoring the issue. the lag is effecting my whole squad so it cant be just my connection. the server just stops, everyone freezes running in place.. then it starts up again in between all that is the normal lag. this game retrded as F. Keep chat channels to less than six, leading cause of hard freezes. Equipment spam at supply depot's, leading cause of lag, latency... CEO Whiskey squad leader Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
Patrlck 56 124	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:26:00 - [44] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Equipment spam at supply depot's That makes me cry every time. ;_; Best hatemail
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 61	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:32:00 - [45] - Quote When i joined it was WW2 and ****** had just married a german shepard for the lolz WOW hitlor is blocked but not bitches Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 992	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:40:00 - [46] - Quote I barely remember the Academy on this character. All I remember is seeing a DS for the first time and wanting it so badly (sadly I don't really fly any more - lack of content) On my mid alt I went in and breezed through with the frontline. Was a good fight actually Then on my heavy alt I went in with militia Heavy + basic HMG and their tiny little minds couldn't handle it. Instantly passed through and never even got to the objective (I was literally the only blue there on the point. The others were, no lie, killing themselves in the redline or riding burning LAV's about to explode - sad part was no enemies even touched them and they were fully loaded 3 at a time) ...indeed... wow "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 222	Posted - 2014.03.23 14:05:00 - [47] - Quote Darwin's law: adapt or die!
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 104	Posted - 2014.03.23 14:08:00 - [48] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: He had been doing youtube research for the last few days too lol and I tossed him a M isk just to cover intro costs which helped. also managed to drop a dude and steal his tank on his 4th match ever which was definitely the highlight of the day. We're squading up again this afternoon so this is actually a success story but just further illustrates the abysmal NPE For the record you are absolutely correct on the extra 1 mil. A family member started a new account so I sent them a mil to help buy skillbooks. I suggested they go Logi since I knew they had a better chance of survival if they weren't on the frontline. I was shocked that if I had not done that if probably would have taken 5+ matches to unlock even the std minmatar suit. That means 5 matches of getting absolutely wrecked in militia if you were lucky enough to get a kill at all. If you stick it out for 5-10 matches and have someone who knows where to put your SP it gets better, but I really believe many players wouldn't even know there was a light at the end of the tunnel. Increase the new account base funds by 1 mil and reduce ISK and SP requirements to skill into STD level equipment. Neither of those suggestions hurts vets at all unless you're scared of noobs in a STD suit. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 105	Posted - 2014.03.23 14:14:00 - [49] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Darwin's law: adapt or die! Correct, but perhaps not how you meant. DUST will either adapt to the fact it is operating under a FTP microtransaction model or it will die. CCP is a business and if DUST can't make money they will have to make a decision on whether to continue development at a loss. I hope the last message on the "News" screen when CCP runs out of money and has to shut down the servers is either "HTFU" or "Welcome to New Eden". The irony would be epic. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 344	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:26:00 - [50] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: When I joined, there wasn't even an academy, and we had to look through a wall of text to learn everything. If you were playing on standard definition (as I was at the time), said wall of text was nearly unreadable because the font size at the time was meant for HD. HTFU. This is pretty much what happened for me when I joined during Codex. I was playing on a "small" screened (by today's standards) standard definition TV and couldn't read ANYTHING. It wasn't till I started playing on a computer screen in HD that I knew what the squad/corp/etc tabs even said. With that said, the current NPE is garbage. The Academy was a step in the right direction and then they all the sudden said "Hey this feature is working too well, lets sodomize it like we do everything else." Stuff....?

Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 215	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:31:00 - [51] - Quote I love the "HTFU, when I started... blah blah blah", like somehow "this game used to be ***" is a reason to leave it that way, or "adapt or die" funny how this is used most often by people arguing against the game changing. (ya know... evolving*) Anyway if people are so opposed to logical improvement in a game how about you back to playing MAG... oh wait... so THAT'S what happens when the playerbase stagnates... Welcome to you're "DOOM"


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