And so finally comes the realization by the players. You've been running solo AV. It's not that AV Sucks, it's that you don't have a wingman. Tanks are crap without a wingman most of the time, and if a group of three focuses on them, they go down real easy. Take a look at the Wiykromi [Dre] Preach Gun, and you'll decimate every vehicle that ever comes your way, as long as both you and your bud lock on to the same guy with that thing.

I've known this all along. It was the same back when it was only about half a year after uprising came out. LAV's and tanks were annoying then, but the problem then when someone had difficulty is the same now. It's that your friendly neighborhood don't run them. Back in the hayday, My squad of SBS/OmniEndeavors (The latter of which is dead now) ran as a group, and I used to not know anything about Vehicles and destroying them, but I was a noob. They taught me the way of swarm launchers and AV Grenades, as well as the forge gun. I started using them, and hell, as long as somebody else was helpin me, I never had the issue again of having to deal with them all alone and getting whooped again.

Maybe instead of complaining about AV, you should teach your friendly neighborhood blueberries to use, at the very least, a basic AV grenade, or something better than a MLT/Basic Swarm launcher. Teach them not only to use it, but when to use it. Then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't be complaining about something that actually isn't as weak as we all think.

PS as far as swarms go, they need bettter range, that's all. AV nades are fine. FG is fine as well.

But srsly. Teach your blueberries to run something other than a rifle and a locus grenade, and We'll all live better lives :)

(Subbed to this topic because somebody finally realized what the REAL Problem is.)

Anything really..... I don't ever really see much AV on maps.

so i have discovered that when playing solo or with a squad, that everyone turns into a major ***** whenever a tank comes in. It seems that the fatal blow to the team isn't the enemy tank but the friendlies unwillingness to go AV.

Harderners render all infantry AV useless and Tanks are so fast that they can easily get out of range AND after 4 months every1 has had enough of Tank Spam .. bored of it frankly i'm not being forced to play in a style I dont want 2 play coz sum1 is using a Tank .. every now n again sure ... every damn game ? Hell no !!!

We desperately need an AV buff and speed reduction of Tanks and penalties on harderners

Blasted by countless Madrugars, and decided to Counter-tank, like the person above.

I would usually run bomber dropsuits that were obliterated the moment the tanker made a fortunate 360 spin. Absolute misery, especially with RR and CR's on my tail.

When I fitted and deployed my first MLT tank, I didn't immediately begin winning, and I sure as hell didn't kill any infantry, but I started surviving more often, in the safety of the hull. I ran Somas first, but Railguns would get me. Then I ran Sicas, and did fine, with the occasional Gunnlogi besting me. I ran alongside other tankers for a maximized counter-attack, and the enemy started to fear us.

Then my fellow tankers began turning on their principles, and hunting infantry of the intimidated red team. I didn't partake in the hunt much, but I was disgusted. Clearly the power of the tank has a corrupting influence.

yep, I only pull out my tanks to kill other tanks, but between waves of tank kills, I kill red dots as well, I tend to do it more if i see they have proto suits, but meh.

long story short even the best of us pure AV tankers can't avoid killing red berries when you are behind the wheels of a tank.

also....if I ever steal a blaster tank I tend to drive that thing for everything that it's worth farming everyone.....it's the unwritten rule of dust, if you taketh a tank from thy red berry, you must troll with thy red berries tank.

today I actually stole two tanks with one bullet was the best day ever =D.

And so finally comes the realization by the players. You've been running solo AV. It's not that AV Sucks, it's that you don't have a wingman. Tanks are crap without a wingman most of the time, and if a group of three focuses on them, they go down real easy. Take a look at the Wiykromi [Dre] Preach Gun, and you'll decimate every vehicle that ever comes your way, as long as both you and your bud lock on to the same guy with that thing.

I've known this all along. It was the same back when it was only about half a year after uprising came out. LAV's and tanks were annoying then, but the problem then when someone had difficulty is the same now. It's that your friendly neighborhood don't run them. Back in the hayday, My squad of SBS/OmniEndeavors (The latter of which is dead now) ran as a group, and I used to not know anything about Vehicles and destroying them, but I was a noob. They taught me the way of swarm launchers and AV Grenades, as well as the forge gun. I started using them, and hell, as long as somebody else was helpin me, I never had the issue again of having to deal with them all alone and getting whooped again.

Maybe instead of complaining about AV, you should teach your friendly neighborhood blueberries to use, at the very least, a basic AV grenade, or something better than a MLT/Basic Swarm launcher. Teach them not only to use it, but when to use it. Then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't be complaining about something that actually isn't as weak as we all think.

PS as far as swarms go, they need bettter range, that's all. AV nades are fine. FG is fine as well.

But srsly. Teach your blueberries to run something other than a rifle and a locus grenade, and We'll all live better lives :)

(Subbed to this topic because somebody finally realized what the REAL Problem is.)

Well said . No one want's to hear what you have to say , they love being right in there condemnation of SL's and a.v. in general .

Most of these instances happen in ambushes ( so the community says ) so what I just don't understand is .. why players who play ambush act surprised when they have to deal with tank spam and why don't they go into these games already prepared , instead of QQing about it in the forums like this is brand new blaming it on the ineffectiveness of SL's ???

If I go to the strip club I expect to see naked women and it's no surprise .

You people just like to complain .

first day playing dust 514 in dust university, i was advised to make a MLT forge gun fit... EVERYBODY has access to forge guns...

Yes, I should run a 60,000 ISK SL on a 70,000 ISK fitting against a 50,000 ISK HAV.
Wait, even better; I should have half of my team do this - for 1 HAV, while we're all sending up flares for every ******* with a RR to see, we'll dodge this MLT Blaster that can 3 shot the most bricked suit in the game.
Meanwhile, the team with the most tanks uses all of their available infantry to win the match and kill our payouts.
Or, we could all suit up in super expensive Heavies just to stack Damage Mods (for the last few days of their existence) and run FGs that emit a spotlight bright enough to be spotted from >100m away while they charge for 4 seconds and the HAV escapes to the redline. Hell, that may only require 3 or 4 synchronized players per solo operated tank to be immobilized while doing just enough damage to maybe scare them off.

TL, DR; **** AV. **** HAVs. **** CCP.

Forge Guns are junk too. Being the top turd on a pile of s### is not so great.

Anything really..... I don't ever really see much AV on maps.

so i have discovered that when playing solo or with a squad, that everyone turns into a major ***** whenever a tank comes in. It seems that the fatal blow to the team isn't the enemy tank but the friendlies unwillingness to go AV.

--- snip bad tank math ---

Everyone should invest into a STD Logi suit, Proxy Mines, REs, and at least packed AV nades.

At the beginning of each match, each player should load up this expendable fit and litter the notable tank throughways with explosives. I guarantee that if 10 players did this, tank spam would be slightly more bearable.

Dust is designed around Squad Play. If you aren't in chat with a Squad you are at a significant disadvantage.

I have been chased out and killed even in my best tank more than once. By what? A squad of AV that knew what they were doing.

Lone wolf should be PvE. CCP/Shanghai promised it and they have not only not delivered it but have quit mentioning it. Do not go alone into that Dust battlefield. Normally you will die. Against a tank, even more likely.

From the tankers viewpoint 99% of these posts are from Mercs that don't know how to run a tank. Without knowing how to run them they are even farther from being able to fight them. The older AV crowd wants the days of One Button Kills with Proto swarms using double damage mods against paper tanks. Those days are gone, thankfully

"......and he stood alone upon a mighty hill, sunlight shining upon golden armour. With his hands he bore a great weapon and with it he cast down fearsome bolts of lightning upon his enemies, smiting his foes as if he were a vengeful god of storms. Twas all for naught, for his enemies called upon great metal beasts, whose hides could not be sundered even by his mightiest weapon. Alone he stood, and alone he would fall, as his allies were scattered by the horrendous sounds emanating from those terrible beasts, their minds broken. Yet he fought on, praying that one day the great god of Balance, who had forsaken his people long ago, would return and lead them all to the promised land." Verse 1337 of the Book of Savage

^My experience being AV in a nutshell.

Well said . No one want's to hear what you have to say , they love being right in there condemnation of SL's and a.v. in general .

Most of these instances happen in ambushes ( so the community says ) so what I just don't understand is .. why players who play ambush act surprised when they have to deal with tank spam and why don't they go into these games already prepared , instead of QQing about it in the forums like this is brand new blaming it on the ineffectiveness of SL's ???

If I go to the strip club I expect to see naked women and it's no surprise .

You people just like to complain .

--- snip rambling QQ from an absolute QQ artist ---
Though that said, i just ignore vehicles, it works.

Anything really..... I don't ever really see much AV on maps.

so i have discovered that when playing solo or with a squad, that everyone turns into a major ***** whenever a tank comes in. It seems that the fatal blow to the team isn't the enemy tank but the friendlies unwillingness to go AV.

There were no One Shot tank kills, it was you getting a coordinated attack from 2-3 people in the old system, killing you instantly and you foaming that it was 1 guy, now you run around nigh invulnerable telling AV to GET GUUD NUUBS, while there are vids circling around where 3 Dedicated AV cannot destroy a vehicle inside 44 seconds of continues fire at that vehicle.

(Whisper) And surprisingly Enough....

*YELLS*

"THE SHIELDS ARE ACTUALLY HARDER TO KILL THAN THE ARMORED BLASTER TANKS!"