DUST Search - Get rid off 3rd person view on tanks.

Medic 1879 wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed.

Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view.

All you ever do is complain about tanks.

How about you go to Call of Duty?

It is a viable idea tanks do get high HP, speed, damage, resists, range and the ability to just get out and kill the guy that gets behind you if you cant kill him with your turret. Having third person is yet another advantage I can manage to sneak up behind a tank get close enough to plant RE's on it but unless they are aiming as soon as I get close it zooms off the turret does a 180 and the tank I sneaked up on now can sit and kill me as he wishes simply because he can see behind him as well, and if he is aiming the RE makes a nice loud noise to alert the driver anyway so only the oblivious are threatened by this.

Instead of just dismissing everything that might damage your play-style out of hand why not actually discuss things what if tanks lost the ability to watch their own backsides but could instead fit modules to compensate this like more powerful scans to pick up scouts crawling up your tail pipe, camera drones, proxy sensors etc... things that would allow a tanker to watch his ass but would actually involve a little bit of sacrifice to fit or having a top gunner watching your back with the small turret.

Any thoughts on those or just dismissal of anything not a buff for your vehicle?

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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2475	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:55:00 - [1] - Quote There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 206	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:01:00 - [2] - Quote so. why not take it from dropships and lavs as well?
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 1149	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:02:00 - [3] - Quote U mad ? AMARR PROTO DONUT PROFICIENCY 5 I MAKE DUST VIDEOS CLICK HERE FOR DONUTS :)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3036	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:06:00 - [4] - Quote Camera drones say no Intelligence is OP
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1926	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:08:00 - [5] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 828	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:14:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think you have to get rid of it, just limit it more than it is currently. When not moving pull the camera closer to the turret, similar to ADS but not as far. You should still see some of the sides but towards the rear you lose visibility. Once you start moving pan the camera out.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 217	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:15:00 - [7] - Quote I can only say this. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2475	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:18:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? Shut up scrublord. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1886	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:36:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? It is a viable idea tanks do get high HP, speed, damage, resists, range and the ability to just get out and kill the guy that gets behind you if you cant kill him with your turret. Having third person is yet another advantage I can manage to sneak up behind a tank get close enough to plant RE's on it but unless they are aiming as soon as I get close it zooms off the turret does a 180 and the tank I sneaked up on now can sit and kill me as he wishes simply because he can see behind him as well, and if he is aiming the RE makes a nice loud noise to alert the driver anyway so only the oblivious are threatened by this. Instead of just dismissing everything that might damage your play-style out of hand why not actually discuss things what if tanks lost the ability to watch their own backsides but could instead fit modules to compensate this like more powerful scans to pick up scouts crawling up your tail pipe, camera drones, proxy sensors etc... things that would allow a tanker to watch his ass but would actually involve a little bit of sacrifice to fit or having a top gunner watching your back with the small turret. Any thoughts on those or just dismissal of anything not a buff for your vehicle? Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 178	Posted - 2014.03.19 13:05:00 - [10] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so. why not take it from dropships and lavs as well? I always fly assault dropships in 1st person, so I wouldn't be against it. They just need to add turret rotation to this viewpoint and it will be almost perfect, although a FOV increase would be nice as well.

Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.03.19 13:52:00 - [11] - Quote There's justification for it in eve. Theyre lore friendly ways to balance tanks within this universe. Dust thou even camera drone bro? Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1162	Posted - 2014.03.19 13:58:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? the mindset of Call of Duty series actually suits crutch scrublords like you more. maybe you should follow your own advice
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5891	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:01:00 - [13] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: U mad ? Not mad. Educated. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5891	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:02:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Camera drones say no While vehicle balance says yes. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5891	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:04:00 - [15] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? All you ever did was complain about AV, yet you refused to go play World Of Tanks. Nobody likes a hypocrite. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3039	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:10:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Camera drones say no While vehicle balance says yes. It has nothing to do with balance tbh Its the same way in BF3/4 but that doesnt stop C4 gettting put on it Why so bad? Intelligence is OP
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 729	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:12:00 - [17] - Quote why not give 3rd person view to infantry instead? Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Winya Moth Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. Whenever I saw your alliance mates over the weekend, they were almost exclusively in tanks. WIth the average of three to four tanks per game. Guess it's ok when your lot do it but lame when you die to it?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3039	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:16:00 - [19] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: why not give 3rd person view to infantry instead? Im fine with that Give me a cardboard box and its over Intelligence is OP
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 196	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:28:00 - [20] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. All you ever do is complain about tanks. How about you go to Call of Duty? It is a viable idea tanks do get high HP, speed, damage, resists, range and the ability to just get out and kill the guy that gets behind you if you cant kill him with your turret. Having third person is yet another advantage I can manage to sneak up behind a tank get close enough to plant RE's on it but unless they are aiming as soon as I get close it zooms off the turret does a 180 and the tank I sneaked up on now can sit and kill me as he wishes simply because he can see behind him as well, and if he is aiming the RE makes a nice loud noise to alert the driver anyway so only the oblivious are threatened by this. Instead of just dismissing everything that might damage your play-style out of hand why not actually discuss things what if tanks lost the ability to watch their own backsides but could instead fit modules to compensate this like more powerful scans to pick up scouts crawling up your tail pipe, camera drones, proxy sensors etc... things that would allow a tanker to watch his ass but would actually involve a little bit of sacrifice to fit or having a top gunner watching your back with the small turret. Any thoughts on those or just dismissal of anything not a buff for your vehicle? I would like to see better scanners, though I think the fitting cost should be much higher. It makes no sense to me that a vehicle cannot carry a better electronics suite than a dropsuit. This could make things like scout LAVs and recon dropships actually viable. Not new, just new to you.

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 270	Posted - 2014.03.19 15:57:00 - [21] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Camera drones say no Why doesn't my dropsuit have camera drones if HAV's do? add camera drones to dropsuits of remove from HAV's??
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1449	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:07:00 - [22] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so. why not take it from dropships and lavs as well? I always fly assault dropships in 1st person, so I wouldn't be against it. They just need to add turret rotation to this viewpoint and it will be almost perfect, although a FOV increase would be nice as well. how on earth can you fly a dropship in 1st person, without dying in a fire constantly? I could live without the third person view on tanks, when ever im shooting im in the first person view anyway, but please god never suggest this for dropships, they are challenging enough to keep alive.
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 178	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:21:00 - [23] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: OgTheEnigma wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so. why not take it from dropships and lavs as well? I always fly assault dropships in 1st person, so I wouldn't be against it. They just need to add turret rotation to this viewpoint and it will be almost perfect, although a FOV increase would be nice as well. how on earth can you fly a dropship in 1st person, without dying in a fire constantly? I could live without the third person view on tanks, when ever im shooting im in the first person view anyway, but please god never suggest this for dropships, they are challenging enough to keep alive. Aiming is much easier in first person, I mainly switch to third when inside installations and to avoid crashing into my own Bolas when taking off. In first you just need to be aware or forward momentum when aiming at the ground, be prepared to circle strafe around enemies and try to make a mental map if your surroundings. Rail tanks still account for 75% of my vehicle losses, so nothing changes there. I did previously play a lot with Attack Helicopters in Battlefield 3, so I'm calling back to my experience from them whilst in Dropships.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8404	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:38:00 - [24] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: OgTheEnigma wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so. why not take it from dropships and lavs as well? I always fly assault dropships in 1st person, so I wouldn't be against it. They just need to add turret rotation to this viewpoint and it will be almost perfect, although a FOV increase would be nice as well. how on earth can you fly a dropship in 1st person, without dying in a fire constantly? I could live without the third person view on tanks, when ever im shooting im in the first person view anyway, but please god never suggest this for dropships, they are challenging enough to keep alive. Not that hard to fly......but to aim in 1st person is a nightmare....and you have situational awareness. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: There is no reason for tanks to have a 3rd person view. That camera makes it near impossible to sneak up on a tank cause he can see you clearly from the side and at a certain degree from behind the tank. Gunners on tanks cant change the camera so why should the driver be allowed to do that? It destroys tactical positioning for infantry and scouts who want to plant remote explosives onto it have no chance. As soon the tanker sees some 1 standing next to him he drives away at full speed. Tanks allready have insane amount of HP, highest damaging weapons and with that should not have the advantage of the 3rd person view. I agree Also camera drones =/= a disembodied invisible camera if you want to make camera drones a feature, feel free to look from the perspective of the tank (1st person) and not some magical ghost from behind Honestly at this point anything that gives tanks something to trade for their nice weapons, armour and speed in ADDITION to being an interesting feature is welcome by me. Oh and by the way, tankers and AVers alike might as well permanently ignore Takahiro, I think he's broken himself
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8404	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:48:00 - [26] - Quote I don't really see the need for its removal..... " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:50:00 - [27] - Quote and if you want to use camera drones as an excuse, would rather have Ewar as a balancing point in this aspect? Would you rather see Ewar that can disable your drones (completely blinding you) or 1st person viewports?
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3075	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:51:00 - [28] - Quote Go ahead and keep your camera drone, but make it visable and let me blow it up! If it's real I can destroy it.
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:52:00 - [29] - Quote Skihids wrote: Go ahead and keep your camera drone, but make it visable and let me blow it up! If it's real I can destroy it. This guy gets it
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 288	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:52:00 - [30] - Quote Better yet, require that there be 2 people inside the tank as well. I've spent most of my waking life playing video games. Don't think your SP being higher than my 17M makes you better >:)



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