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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7621	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:56:00 - [1] - Quote The SDE has been posted, and look what it says? "3% shotgun damage against shields per level" There you have it. Any last bit of hope is gone, maybe it can be reversed later. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2722	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:57:00 - [2] - Quote Wow, I called it. Edit:also, I'll say it again...please don't do that CCP. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10020	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:00:00 - [3] - Quote Not really news. From the weapon dev blog, proficiency section: "Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 324	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:00:00 - [4] - Quote There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7624	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:01:00 - [5] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Not really news. From the weapon dev blog, proficiency section: "Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" I know it's not, everyone sort of knew this was coming. But still there was a bit of hope that maybe that was a typo as CCP was listing all shield efficient weapons. But now the hope is gone, it's happening. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 813	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:03:00 - [6] - Quote ..... I wanna cry. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1097	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:03:00 - [7] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? That's what I thought, but apparently people rely on RoF to kill heavies. I just jump around and pray.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1770	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:03:00 - [8] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? Not if you have prof 5. That thing is so fast, you wouldn't care for a damage boost. Our, at least, I think that's how it was SUPPOSED to work. Not anymore.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1066	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:04:00 - [9] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The shotgun is losing a damage bonus that it once had. Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it. Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed. Investigate 9/11
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7523	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:06:00 - [10] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The fact that a weapon that requires you to get within 5m requires you to take multiple shots from a slow firing weapon, says it all. Plus, the prof used to be fire rate, that's why people were pissed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514

noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 813	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:07:00 - [11] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? Rof over damage. Im still going to need the same amout of shots to kill heavies and now at 15% slower. That bonus will do nothing but hinder me in dealing with gal heavies which I believe shall be the most common in pc. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1068	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:09:00 - [12] - Quote FK my shotgun is losing its ROF bonus for that piece of ST shield dmg bonus???! You have to be f**king kidding me.... Besides, lets look at it logically. The shotgun is getting a bonus that only really makes any sort of sense VS the Caldari heavy. As that is the only thing with a large shield hit point pool. The other 90% of suits will have a larger hit point pool of Armour hit points so WTF is the point of this bonus to the shotgun? The shotgun is a he dies or I die sort of weapon. There's no bouncing in and out of cover in a ranged firefight with this gun so why the hell would I want to lose the ROF bonus to a virtually useless shield dmg bonus? My god. CCP you guys continue to fail. CPM yet again you idiots spot nothing and do nothing. (In fairness that's if the CPM even knew about these changes but I am sure they did) Investigate 9/11
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 814	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:10:00 - [13] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: FK my shotgun is losing its ROF bonus for that piece of ST shield dmg bonus???! You have to be f**king kidding me.... Prof 5 scout here.... XD I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 781	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:11:00 - [14] - Quote How do you read a SDE file... Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 24	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:11:00 - [15] - Quote Basically the issue is this. Beyond low tier encounters you cannot 1 shot someone with a shotgun. The damage increase is unlikely to affect the weapon's ttk. Therefore the change amounts to a 15% dps nerf to the shotgun. I know the rifles needed nerfing but I always thought the shotgun was in a similar place as the mass driver, i.e. In need of buffing not nerfing.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 362	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:12:00 - [16] - Quote Wow that is pretty lame. No more RoF bonus? Guess I really want a weapon respec now...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1046	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:16:00 - [17] - Quote RIP Shotgun
Stevilovitche What The French Red Whines. 7	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:19:00 - [18] - Quote CCP are you serious?!!! The proficiency of shotgun is great, why do you changes this? At 1.8, heavy with all their resistances, how can us kill them? Damn it, you buff scout but nerf the shotgun , WTF CCP!!!
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 814	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:23:00 - [19] - Quote Giveth with one hand.... I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 590	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:24:00 - [20] - Quote They could just buff the base rof so everyone can stop bitching,but lets save that for another patch. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 24	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:25:00 - [21] - Quote Time to practice my knife skills I guess. I only went scout for the shotgun. Oh chromosome, how I miss you sometimes. P.S. QQ is so liberating. Shotguning will still be possible, it just will stay kind of bad.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13510	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:27:00 - [22] - Quote I want a trench gun now. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 301	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:31:00 - [23] - Quote In straight DPS there will be no difference vs shields. +15% damage vs shields and +15% ROF equal the same DPS value. The shotgun is a Gallente weapon so naturally it deals more damage to shields than armor. I will say this though: I have used the shotgun and it can be very underwhelming, especially vs heavily tanked suits. Heavy suit with HMG vs scout with shotty. Heavy suit: around 1500 eHP and over 700 DPS with 8,415 damage per magazine that deals full damage within 20 meters. Will take less than 1 second to kill said scout. Scout suit: Around 500 eHP at best with 62.8 DPS dealing 528 damage per shot. Deals full damage out to 4 meters. Will take over 4 seconds to kill said heavy suit. 4 seconds is more than enough time for a heavy suit to turn around and gun down a shotty scout while having over 4x the range and twice the damage per clip, not to mention over 10x the DPS.
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:36:00 - [24] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. I've always thought it should have a tighter spread, myself. Is that what you meant? "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1049	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:40:00 - [25] - Quote Hoover Damn wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. I've always thought it should have a tighter spread, myself. Is that what you meant? Spread is already to tight
Ninja Troll General Tso's Alliance 91	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:40:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The SDE has been posted, and look what it says? "3% shotgun damage against shields per level" There you have it. Any last bit of hope is gone, maybe it can be reversed later. Thanks for verifying. I was hoping a CCP Dev would have replied to others posts about it. SG Scout. I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1427	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:40:00 - [27] - Quote CCP #1: community want's rifles to be a bit less EZ mode.... CCP #2: well, can't have specialty weapons or sidearms, aside from our Caldari bread and butter, being viable or pulling ahead. Nerf SG and SMG too! change proficiency skill damage to only boost weapons affinity! CCP: #1 dude, now I know you getz paid the big buckz! CCP: #2 i know, bro. stick with me and you'll also one day be a mega CCP programmer with pimp skills. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3548	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:48:00 - [28] - Quote About as useful as a splash damage increase to swarms. No.
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 818	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:50:00 - [29] - Quote Started a question thread in feedback feel free to add to it I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Ninja Troll General Tso's Alliance 91	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:55:00 - [30] - Quote Texs Red wrote: In straight DPS there will be no difference vs shields. +15% damage vs shields and +15% ROF equal the same DPS value. The shotgun is a Gallente weapon so naturally it deals more damage to shields than armor. I will say this though: I have used the shotgun and it can be very underwhelming, especially vs heavily tanked suits. Heavy suit with HMG vs scout with shotty. Heavy suit: around 1500 eHP and over 700 DPS with 8,415 damage per magazine that deals full damage within 20 meters. Will take less than 1 second to kill said scout. Scout suit: Around 500 eHP at best with 62.8 DPS dealing 528 damage per shot. Deals full damage out to 4 meters. Will take over 4 seconds to kill said heavy suit. 4 seconds is more than enough time for a heavy suit to turn around and gun down a shotty scout while having over 4x the range and twice the damage per clip, not to mention over 10x the DPS. It usually takes me 3 shots, 2 in the back and 1 in the face. I only have Op 4 atm, so will wait to see if adv or proto SG are changed. Although I wonder if the SDE has those values too. SG Scout. I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies



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