DUST Search - SDE confirms shotgun proficiency change

Roy Ventus wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

Ivy Zalinto wrote:

There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it?

The shotgun is losing a DPS bonus that it once had.

Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it.

Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST.

Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed.

EDIT - wait I'm confused. What's going on with the shotgun? Is it losing its ROF bonus in favour of a silly shield bonus?

Find me a shotgun that look slike this in real life http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/dust-514/crg-3-plasma-shotgun_wide.jpg

*or one that shoots plasma

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13516	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:55:00 - [31] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The shotgun is losing a DPS bonus that it once had. Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it. Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed. EDIT - wait I'm confused. What's going on with the shotgun? Is it losing its ROF bonus in favour of a silly shield bonus? Find me a shotgun that look slike this in real life http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/dust-514/crg-3-plasma-shotgun_wide.jpg CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:17:00 - [32] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The SDE has been posted, and look what it says? "3% shotgun damage against shields per level" There you have it. Any last bit of hope is gone, maybe it can be reversed later. I never expected this to be a typo
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:21:00 - [33] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? That's what I thought, but apparently people rely on RoF to kill heavies. I just jump around and pray. Hmm first the SG can't OH anything above scout suits and by the time your get your second shot your are usually dead as scout. In 1.8 you will need close to 4 shots to kill a heavy. This is an outright nerf to the SG overall damage will be nerfed around 6% and to be honest the SG already had a very small niche with its optimal of 4 to 6m. If your are already that close you would better use NK's sad but true.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2868	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:27:00 - [34] - Quote Its a gallente shotgun, its supposed to be short ranged as fk but high damage. We need racial shotties. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please Weed and bjs are my spinach
Waiyu Ren Seeker of The Path 50	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:33:00 - [35] - Quote If all weapons are becoming shield or armour focused, does this mean we may see racial variants appear eventually for the other non-AR non-pistol weapons? If not by design then by necessity, though armour focussed weapons are just plain better most of the time given how many people stack plates (myself included). Edit ^^ beat me to it. Shouting doesn't make your opinion seem more valid, it just makes you seem more annoying.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1417	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:37:00 - [36] - Quote I guess it's safe to assume that there will be a Minmatar version of a shotgun with projectiles sooner or later? Can't imagine the Caldari having one because they don't like to get their suits dirty and rail tech and missile tech seems weird in CQC. Would consider an Amarr laser shotgun though... "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1417	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:39:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The shotgun is losing a DPS bonus that it once had. Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it. Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed. EDIT - wait I'm confused. What's going on with the shotgun? Is it losing its ROF bonus in favour of a silly shield bonus? Find me a shotgun that look slike this in real life http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/dust-514/crg-3-plasma-shotgun_wide.jpg *or one that shoots plasma "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 244	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:53:00 - [38] - Quote What's all the QQ about? The ROF bonus was not even worth the SP investment. & except for KN's the shotty is the only weapon not getting nerfed by the proficiency changes. In fact it is getting a buff & will still maintain the same damage against armor as it does now. Just wait for 1.8 before you flood the forums with your tears.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1070	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:58:00 - [39] - Quote To the poster above me - if you think that the RoF bonus was not worth the SP , all I can say is you can't have used the shotgun much. @ IWS - Seriously just get out now. The CPM is a joke. Investigate 9/11
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1070	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:02:00 - [40] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The shotgun is losing a DPS bonus that it once had. Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it. Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed. EDIT - wait I'm confused. What's going on with the shotgun? Is it losing its ROF bonus in favour of a silly shield bonus? Find me a shotgun that look slike this in real life http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/dust-514/crg-3-plasma-shotgun_wide.jpg *or one that shoots plasma Looks are irrelevant and purely asthetics. Granted the real life bit was probably uncalled for however game play wise you should certainly look to other games. The shotgun in DUST is already a joke weapon that has almost 0 range. Remotes are the answer. Investigate 9/11

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 956	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:07:00 - [41] - Quote DTOracle wrote: What's all the QQ about? The ROF bonus was not even worth the SP investment. & except for KN's the shotty is the only weapon not getting nerfed by the proficiency changes. In fact it is getting a buff & will still maintain the same damage against armor as it does now. Just wait for 1.8 before you flood the forums with your tears. Actually it is changing for 1.8 CCP Remnant wrote: This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol Bonus to damage against armor: Rail Rifle, Swarm Launcher, Submachine Gun, Sniper Rifle, Magsec SMG, Heavy Machine Gun, Forge Gun, Flaylock Pistol, Combat Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Mass Driver "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1569	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:09:00 - [42] - Quote It was too late to begin with. By the time the DEV blog was released they had committed to it. CCP has the most stubborn group of developers ever. It doesn't matter the facts, statistics, or amount of posts declaring their actions bad. They will move forward with their decision and never back down from a wrong one. shot interval of 0.7 to 0.595 was significant when you start going up against someone with 3 complex armor plates Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 764	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:22:00 - [43] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Hoover Damn wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. I've always thought it should have a tighter spread, myself. Is that what you meant? Spread is already to tight Exactly and the OP skill makes it worse oh how I regret to go OP 5...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 764	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:25:00 - [44] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its a gallente shotgun, its supposed to be short ranged as fk but high damage. We need racial shotties. First the SG needs high damage, if CCP would introduce the other racial SGs the gallente one will share the fate of the AR it will be simply outclassed by the other racial variants. CCP really hates gallente weapons..
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1567	Posted - 2014.03.18 22:56:00 - [45] - Quote Thanks for the update, Aero. o7
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 275	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:05:00 - [46] - Quote isn't there a burst shotgun or something stop crying people the SG is still going to work bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you bamboo x ('Toxin' Assault Rifle) you bamboo x (Charge Sniper Rifle) you
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 514	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:15:00 - [47] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The damage based proficiency skill for most other weapons works well as it directly reduces the time it takes to kill someone a reliable amount. However, a damage bonus on the shotgun will only make you 3% per level more likely to reduce the time it takes to kill someone. A direct increase to ROF will give the same benefit to a shotgun user as the damage based proficiency of any other weapon. We want cake and tea.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 166	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:40:00 - [48] - Quote we knew it all alongGÇªnow they have to change the flay lock prifiecncy to 5% slower projectiles to level. That way, shotguns get an operation skill that makes them worse, while flay locks get a proficiency skill that makes them worse. NERF GIMPED WEAPONRY CCP!!!!! KILL OFF ALL DIVERSITY!!!!! RIFLES SHOULD BE THE ONLY WEAPON TO EXIST IN THIS GAME EVER!!!!!!!! oh, and the HMG tooGÇª. Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8376	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:47:00 - [49] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Looks are irrelevant and purely asthetics. Form is function my friend. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
castba Penguin's March 339	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:48:00 - [50] - Quote What if CCP have increased the base ROF by, say 10%? Do we know they haven't?

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1052	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:49:00 - [51] - Quote DTOracle wrote: What's all the QQ about? The ROF bonus was not even worth the SP investment. & except for KN's the shotty is the only weapon not getting nerfed by the proficiency changes. In fact it is getting a buff & will still maintain the same damage against armor as it does now. Just wait for 1.8 before you flood the forums with your tears. You obviously dont use the shotgun
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 657	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:53:00 - [52] - Quote Instead of a static damage modifier against shields or armor, what if introduced weapon types and damage types like in EVE? Values could be tweaked so the end result is that Lasers would still be about as effective against shields and less against armor, but it would provide more flexibility in cases like this. In the EVE model, Lasers would only do some combination of EM and Thermal damage, which armor would resist fairly well. Increasing a laser weapons damage through proficiency would increase its EM and Thermal damage outputs, which, as it turns out, armor would still resist fairly well. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 31	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:00:00 - [53] - Quote I dug into the SDE data and verified that the base ROF for the shotgun and its variants has not changed either. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 452	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:02:00 - [54] - Quote It would be great if the shotgun had more range and the gallente assault bonus made the spread tighter almost like a slug round. This way assaults will have an easier time using the weapon in more situations and scouts can use their speed and e-war to get up close. As for the damage bonus to shields it seems like ccp always wanted to add a damage bonus, but they didn't want a flat damage increase to both armor and shields to keep it from being op. It's gonna destroy caldari heavies though. SoundCloud Recruiter Link Pronounced Grim-e-urs
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:18:00 - [55] - Quote bamboo x wrote: isn't there a burst shotgun or something stop crying people the SG is still going to work the burst SG? you mean the allotek two shot SG? that is a P.O.S. It goes in the pile of useless weapons like the creodon AR. the only reason to use weapons like that is to style on people, not to be competitive. unless they buff the base rof, i see the SG being about 50% less effective.
Vesperz D3ATH CARD 59	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:29:00 - [56] - Quote Lvl 5 in shotguns.... I am not pleased with this change at all. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 276	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:41:00 - [57] - Quote http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/the_eristic/why.jpg
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:45:00 - [58] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: There isnt a damn thing wrong with shotguns hitting hard against shields. The militia level works just fine for me even against tanked proto's. It may take a few shots but still. Having any damage bonus at all is kinda a plus isnt it? The shotgun is losing a DPS bonus that it once had. Compared to other games, the shotgun in this game is very underwhelming. Granted I can still make it work sort of but I have to get so darn close to do anything with it. Go check out how a shotgun works in real life. Or better yet go and play pretty much any other FPS game ever and then tell me the shotgun isn't in a lol-full state here in DUST. Actually a lot of things are in a bad state in DUST. I just hope eventually things will be fixed. EDIT - wait I'm confused. What's going on with the shotgun? Is it losing its ROF bonus in favour of a silly shield bonus? Ive played Battle Field and CoD... Both have shotguns that hit across the map and 1 shot kill you Why are you reading my bio? Stalker......
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 245	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:00:00 - [59] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: To the poster above me - if you think that the RoF bonus was not worth the SP , all I can say is you can't have used the shotgun much. The same damage per shot yes, but 15% (At level 5) decreased DPS. Something that it certainly didn't need. @ IWS - Seriously just get out now. The CPM is a joke. You know, its all about remote explosives now. Enemy tank? Remote explosives or jihad jeep. Heavy / heavies camping an objective? Remote Explosives. Enemy assault derpship? Ram a cheap militia derpship into him. Remotes are pretty much the answer to most things now.... LOL, hahahahahahaha. Me not used the shotgun much? Hahhahahahaha OT, The shotgun has always been better with less skills invested. Sure the ROF bonus was nice, but again not worth the SP needed to get there. The benefits are marginal at best, while the SP investment is exponential.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 245	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:11:00 - [60] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: DTOracle wrote: What's all the QQ about? The ROF bonus was not even worth the SP investment. & except for KN's the shotty is the only weapon not getting nerfed by the proficiency changes. In fact it is getting a buff & will still maintain the same damage against armor as it does now. Just wait for 1.8 before you flood the forums with your tears. You obviously dont use the shotgun I have used it far more than most of you who crying about it have. I ran Shotty exclusively until I got my MInitar Rifle(the only rifle I have ever used in the game, btw) We have been asking for a damage increase for forever. & when we get one(however minor) this is what you guys do?



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