DUST Search - JLAVs Must Remain!

Supernus Gigas wrote:

Not a fan. Even if they don't have a BPO LAV it's not very expensive. It's silly that something so cheap can take out my ~400,000+ Isk Gunnlogi.

Just today, I was in a Caldari FW match on my Tank alt, and wouldn't you guess it we began to lose fast. We got Redlined half way through the match and I was pretty much stuck in my Redline with my XT-201 Gunnlogi biding my time. I couldn't really leave the Redline because I knew I would quickly die and I didn't see much reason to recall it, so I just sat there taking pot shots at any ADSs(I actually took one down) or Tanks that got near.

I was just minding my own business, getting Redlined, hardly being a threat at all and then all of a sudden a certain Dust 514 Youtube personality comes flying over a hill in an RE strapped LAV and blows me up with it. You know, in my own deployment zone, while getting Redlined.

I admit, I was a little bitter, I rather like his videos and didn't really expect him scrubbing me clean like that.

I'm over it now(I seriously can not hold a grudge), but talk about rubbing salt in the wound.

But until AV or Tanks get fixed or whatever I don't have that much of a problem with them. I can count the number of times I've successfully been killed by an RE strapped LAV on one hand.

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Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1304	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:34:00 - [1] - Quote ----I'm assuming here that CCP is going to remove the ability to stick remotes onto vehicles in 1.8. If they've decided against it, disregard my post. Otherwise, I hope we can voice our opinion and make JLAVs an actual thing as opposed to an "unwanted" side effect---- As the person who's supposed to be on the receiving end of JLAVs, I enjoy them. They add variety to an otherwise dull infantry AV, comprised of mostly assault forge guns and varying levels of swarms. They also put real pilot skill to the test, as opposed to just the SP and ISK through your fitting. No matter what your fitting is, it won't save you from a JLAV that successfully rams into you (because chances are, your hardener wasn't running because you weren't expecting it). JLAVs test a pilot's battlefield awareness more than anything. SP or ISK won't save you. I think the removal of JLAVs will only give 0 SP militia tanks a bigger crutch to roam around on. Chances are that they have poor battlefield awareness, and I think it's quite common among them (I've noticed that it's rather easy for me to stalk a militia tank if I wanted to rather than blowing them up from behind on the spot). Poor awareness means that you're easy pickings for a JLAV. And if they are removed, then those "pilots" get it a lot easier to roam around slaughtering infantry. I do not condemn JLAVs as a scrub tactic as some other tankers might do. I find them to be a creative way to expand infantry's AV options. I'd probably even try to do it myself just for fun if I wasn't so cheap on my SP, as I don't want to spend any one of my precious SP on getting some levels in remotes. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 656	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:52:00 - [2] - Quote Respect dude. I'm an avid Jihad merc who has taken out countless, COUNTLESS tanks and I'd be rather disappointed if it were taken out. However, with CCPs mantra of 'risk vs reward' I'm not sure it will stay as a LAV driver isn't really risking much and can often OHK a tank. I hope it stays because I think it's a funny tactic that adds variety to the game. I used to do it all the time in BF3 and was really happy when it became possible in DUST...well, let's see! +1 in support of keeping them. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1568	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:00:00 - [3] - Quote Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 72	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:03:00 - [4] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! Amarr Ackbarr!
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1308	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:07:00 - [5] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! We wouldn't have JLAVs nor a want to keep them if there was more AV variety in the first place. You infantry keep getting new weapons to kill each other with while vehicles vs AV is stuck with the same two weapons since beta. I'm tired of facing the same old swarm and forge; I want new stuff to look out for. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Ace Starburst PiZzA DuDeS 72	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:10:00 - [6] - Quote By the way, Jihad Jeeps are useful for more than just killing tanks. They are also great for trolling infantry.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 522	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:12:00 - [7] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! We wouldn't have JLAVs nor a want to keep them if there was more AV variety in the first place. You infantry keep getting new weapons to kill each other with while vehicles vs AV is stuck with the same two weapons since beta. I'm tired of facing the same old swarm and forge; I want new stuff to look out for. NOPE! Even if we had more variety in AV.... I still want to keep jihad jeep -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 475	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:30:00 - [8] - Quote Not a fan. Even if they don't have a BPO LAV it's not very expensive. It's silly that something so cheap can take out my ~400,000+ Isk Gunnlogi. Just today, I was in a Caldari FW match on my Tank alt, and wouldn't you guess it we began to lose fast. We got Redlined half way through the match and I was pretty much stuck in my Redline with my XT-201 Gunnlogi biding my time. I couldn't really leave the Redline because I knew I would quickly die and I didn't see much reason to recall it, so I just sat there taking pot shots at any ADSs(I actually took one down) or Tanks that got near. I was just minding my own business, getting Redlined, hardly being a threat at all and then all of a sudden a certain Dust 514 Youtube personality comes flying over a hill in an RE strapped LAV and blows me up with it. You know, in my own deployment zone, while getting Redlined. I admit, I was a little bitter, I rather like his videos and didn't really expect him scrubbing me clean like that. I'm over it now(I seriously can not hold a grudge), but talk about rubbing salt in the wound. But until AV or Tanks get fixed or whatever I don't have that much of a problem with them. I can count the number of times I've successfully been killed by an RE strapped LAV on one hand. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 644	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:32:00 - [9] - Quote 'emergent gameplay' DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.03.18 08:17:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! Because tactics from the 'past' can't be used in the future wars? Its realistically valid as an explosive delivery service, be it 2000 or whatever year in which the eve universe is set

Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.03.18 08:24:00 - [11] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Not a fan. Even if they don't have a BPO LAV it's not very expensive. It's silly that something so cheap can take out my ~400,000+ Isk Gunnlogi. Just today, I was in a Caldari FW match on my Tank alt, and wouldn't you guess it we began to lose fast. We got Redlined half way through the match and I was pretty much stuck in my Redline with my XT-201 Gunnlogi biding my time. I couldn't really leave the Redline because I knew I would quickly die and I didn't see much reason to recall it, so I just sat there taking pot shots at any ADSs(I actually took one down) or Tanks that got near. I was just minding my own business, getting Redlined, hardly being a threat at all and then all of a sudden a certain Dust 514 Youtube personality comes flying over a hill in an RE strapped LAV and blows me up with it. You know, in my own deployment zone, while getting Redlined. I admit, I was a little bitter, I rather like his videos and didn't really expect him scrubbing me clean like that. I'm over it now(I seriously can not hold a grudge), but talk about rubbing salt in the wound. But until AV or Tanks get fixed or whatever I don't have that much of a problem with them. I can count the number of times I've successfully been killed by an RE strapped LAV on one hand. The bit about you being redlined aside, if you don't want to worry about losing a 400000 ISK tank don't call it in. This is New Eden. To paraphrase the motto of EvE, don't drive what you can't afford to lose. At least with Jihad Jeeps, I take a death and (usually) a small monetary loss. When I have a RLRT take out my dropship in two hits, it costs them nothing and costs me 400K. Yes, I know "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, Thorson." But when your rail tank is in the redline or on a hill watching my spawn and takes out my 400K at no cost to you, you better know that I have no qualms about Jihad Jeeping. Jus' sayin.
Kosakai ZionTCD 19	Posted - 2014.03.18 08:46:00 - [12] - Quote everythink that kills tanks is good think SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED FORGE GUN LOVER TANK HUNTER
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1163	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:12:00 - [13] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! Have you actually read Templar One, and what kind of training they had to go through in order to become used to the idea of sacrificing a clone of any advantage?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11320	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:30:00 - [14] - Quote Jihad jeeps are beautiful example of emergent gameplay and people adapting. It really is hilarious that some HAV pilots (not you, Harpyja) insist that infantry must adapt and then ***** about jihad jeeps existing. They're the perfect example of people adapting. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2171	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:32:00 - [15] - Quote eh. I'm not really a fan of them remaining should AV get buffed. I'm not speaking as a tanker there, but a forge gunner. They're a cheap and SP-free way of accomplishing the goal I've invested millions of SP in mastering. For them to remain the investment to use them would need to match that of a comparable forge or swarm fitting. Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 222	Posted - 2014.03.18 10:07:00 - [16] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Do we want this game to be a proper, stand up combat game or a third world, **** terrorist game? Might as well just change the name to Bin Laden 514 and change the theme to Talaban tribal warfare. No need for the New Eden sci-fi link. Let's go ahead and lose the guns too. Just strap REs on and kill NPC civilians to secure districts. I love it! Screw the rules of engagement! I'm an immortal mercenary, I do what I want! Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 618	Posted - 2014.03.18 10:46:00 - [17] - Quote I want Jihad Jeeps to remain as an option. If they were to change anything, i would accept a RE self-destruct based on a speed limit. What i mean is that if you'd place them on a LAV, you'd have to be careful not to exceed that speed limit. That would introduce a whole lot more risk to using Jihad Jeeps without having to remove them. em ta kool t'nod
LudiKure ninda MostlyHarmless. 67	Posted - 2014.03.18 10:48:00 - [18] - Quote Jihad jeeps are only fun thing to do in this game Solo player..
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 557	Posted - 2014.03.18 10:51:00 - [19] - Quote Minmatar LAV's should have built-in RE's.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3020	Posted - 2014.03.18 10:54:00 - [20] - Quote Ive used jihad I stick enough remotes on it to blow every single tank i come across It doesnt take skill or timing, i can hit when hardeners are on and kill it fine Whack on enough remotes and its dead If your in the tank radar generally doesnt help anyways, scanner can and so can your crew/squad I find it easy to do and skillless, bit like pre 1.7 swarms/av nades Intelligence is OP

Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 86	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:19:00 - [21] - Quote Was reading through the OP and saw RE's sticking to vehicles. CCP may already have changed this. In yesterdays game of Domination (skim junction), came up to an enemy tank camped on a hill. Dropped three RE's on his hull to which all three RE's disappeared as soon as it touches the tank. Also noticed that Large Rail turrets can only point 20 - 30 degrees up. So if you use one that is on a low elevation it'll be totally useless against dropships.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5843	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:24:00 - [22] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Not a fan. Even if they don't have a BPO LAV it's not very expensive. It's silly that something so cheap can take out my ~400,000+ Isk Gunnlogi. Please, do the right thing. Nerf Shotguns. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 34	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:32:00 - [23] - Quote you cant remove res sticking to vehicles cause you should be able to place them on enemies vehicles. Res going off after you are dead is the problem. the jeep blowing up setting off the res or scouts running into a room and setting them off 5 secs after they are dead is the problem. Lord High Commander Maths is OP. It is all those numbers flying around that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 177	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:33:00 - [24] - Quote Keep them!!!! This game need more vehicles! dangCCPyou'reslowpickupthepace
CRYPT3C W0LF Auraxis Special Forces 449	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:42:00 - [25] - Quote Sticks 9 remotes onto BPO LAV Now what where we talking about? Cloak Engaged~ Can I Haz A Cheezburger? SlayerScout, I feast on you're Proto Remains!:)
Justice Prevails 209	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:10:00 - [26] - Quote Don't use them, have been trolled by them. They need to stay. Maybe make it a more expensive investment. The lure of this game is customization. We should not be nerfing adaptivity(is that a word?)to conditions. No matter what changes you make, there will always be a side effect, unwanted by some. When we get rid of all the side effects and the ability to adapt, we will have another run of the mill shooter. Cappuccino slimfast: Will make your urine smell like a starbucks:-)
Sam Booty Valor Coalition 40	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:29:00 - [27] - Quote Dheez wrote: Was reading through the OP and saw RE's sticking to vehicles. CCP may already have changed this. In yesterdays game of Domination (skim junction), came up to an enemy tank camped on a hill. Dropped three RE's on his hull to which all three RE's disappeared as soon as it touches the tank. Also noticed that Large Rail turret installations can only point 20 - 30 degrees up. So if you use one that is on a low elevation it'll be totally useless against dropships. Make sure you use standard REs not the proximity ones.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 79	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:41:00 - [28] - Quote anyone genuinely opposed to jihad jeeps is a coward, pure plain and simple http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1s_PitQqyo http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 476	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:19:00 - [29] - Quote Argetlam Thorson wrote: The bit about you being redlined aside, if you don't want to worry about losing a 400000 ISK tank don't call it in. This is New Eden. To paraphrase the motto of EvE, don't drive what you can't afford to lose. At least with Jihad Jeeps, I take a death and (usually) a small monetary loss. When I have a RLRT take out my dropship in two hits, it costs them nothing and costs me 400K. Yes, I know "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, Thorson." But when your rail tank is in the redline or on a hill watching my spawn and takes out my 400K at no cost to you, you better know that I have no qualms about Jihad Jeeping. Jus' sayin. Where did I say that I was worried about losing them? I bought those expensive Gunnlogi fits for the sole purpose for fighting in Caldari FW, and I was more than prepared to lose them. JLAVs are just a cheap, nearly skill-less tactic. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 476	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:21:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Not a fan. Even if they don't have a BPO LAV it's not very expensive. It's silly that something so cheap can take out my ~400,000+ Isk Gunnlogi. Please, do the right thing. Nerf Shotguns. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*



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