I just realized 99% of the amarr are freaking CRYBABIES

Uh-Huh


Seems like a good fit to me. A solid armor tank while also having a cloak and tiny hitbox. Lol?

---

@Magnus Amadeuss

Upon further inspection, you are correct. The Logstics ak.0 suit has a 3/4 layout as opposed to the 4/4 I had presumed earlier; though I'm not so sure how that discounts it from being the best Medium Frame.

A Sidearm slot allows you to keep firing once your clip runs dry, as opposed to the other Logis who would have to stop and reload. It's not like your missing out on damage potential, because if you find yourself stacking more than 3, your pretty much a scrub. And not having a 4th High Slot means that you lose out on a whopping 72.6HP

Let's look at this instance. Two Mass Driver users are having a duel, and both of their clips run dry. What happens next? The logi without the sidearm is fumbling and jumping everywhere while trying to reload; whilst the logi with the sidearm whipped out his SMG (or pistol) and finished off the logi with no sidearm. (And so-forth for every weapon in the game).

Oh, and how could I forget this one? Amarr Logistics is the best AV suit in the game. Multiple equipment slots for RE traps and Nanohives, while also having that beloved Sidearm slot to fend off against infantry.

Worst Sentinel you say?




So the Amarr Sentinel is worse by a whopping 9.34 eHP and 0.01m/s. Lol?

I always interpreted post like those as a mix between trash-talk and nationalism.

However considering how you just said that the Amarr Sentinel will be the worst because of 9.34 eHP and 0.01m/s, I'd say his post holds merit.

Welcome!

I see that you have an Amarr head and are commenting on the state of the upcoming Amarr Scout.
You're doing great so far. To bring our newcomers up-to-speed, let's take a moment to recap the plan:

1) Demand everything under the sun; if we bombard CCP, we just might confuse them.
2) Quantity > Quality. Reason, logic, math, etc? Not necessary. We want VOLUME.
3) Use Text Walls where possible. Very important.
4) Never, ever played as Scout? Don't intend to? Doesn't matter. Most of us haven't either.
5) Be the victim! Play the race card. Get Angry! Just don't mention the ScR.

And don't forget the Golden Rule:
** Never engage actual Scouts in debate. They will make you look stupid in your own thread. **



Now get out there and make some Noise!

I love seeing comments like these. You know what it means right? That you have absolutely no retort to what I have written, and as that is the case all you can do is QQ about the "amarr crybabies." lol

Welcome!

I see that you have an Amarr head and are commenting on the state of the upcoming Amarr Scout.
You're doing great so far. To bring our newcomers up-to-speed, let's take a moment to recap the plan:

1) Demand everything under the sun; if we bombard CCP, we just might confuse them.
2) Quantity > Quality. Reason, logic, math, etc? Not necessary. We want VOLUME.
3) Use Text Walls where possible. Very important.
4) Never, ever played as Scout? Don't intend to? Doesn't matter. Most of us haven't either.
5) Be the victim! Play the race card. Get Angry! Just don't mention the ScR.

And don't forget the Golden Rule:
** Never engage actual Scouts in debate. They will make you look stupid in your own thread. **



Now get out there and make some Noise!

Dude ur awesome!

* Laser Rifle:
- Increased effective range and increased damage at short range, reduced heat cost at ADV and PRO tiers.
- Improved zoom FOV. (effectively more zoom)

@Magnus Amadeuss

Fair enough. I guess both of our points are negated about the current Amarr Sentinel. I'll admit defeat on that one.

I put an Energizer their as opposed to an Extender simply because there wasn't enough PG for the Extender. Something's better than nothing right? Though I decided to forgo the CPU/PG and place an Extender on anyways. So now the Amarr Sentinel is now worse by an incredible 110.25HP. Lol?

Having a resistance bonus to both Shields and Armor is much better than only having 2 resistance types to Armor, as a Sentinel cannot sufficiently rep their Armor by themselves.

Did you seriously use the 1HP/s as an assertion? Do you honestly thing that the Gallente Sentinel will be better because of it? It would take 20min and 50s to fully replenish your armor. In 20m 50s you could simply walk to a Supply Depot and back at least 13 times. (This assumes Max. HP and gk.0 suit, which moves at 3.14m/s) Lol?

---

Your statement about how Laser weapons overheat instantly, it's rather odd. I run the Scrambler Rifles myself and usually don't have an issue with heat-sink management unless I'm fighting multiple enemies (a situation where the Assault Scrambler Rifle should be preferred) The Assault Scrambler Rifle is theoretically impossible to overheat, as the heat-sink expands beyond 1 clip size.

As for the Laser Rifle, doesn't overheat "near instantly" either. However, assuming that this was actually true, CCP Logibro stated that higher tiered Laser Rifles will have a higher heat sink, which will solve your problem (or lack thereof).

I figure you won't believe me, so here's some poof of such.



But since we want to talk about having a bonus to useless weapons, let's take an objective look at the Commando Bonuses shall we?

Amarr Commando Bonuses:

• Scrambler Rifle
• Assault Scrambler Rifle
• Laser Rifle

Gallente Commando Bonuses:

• Assault Rifle
• Burst Assault Rifle
• Breach Assault Rifle
• Tactical Assault Rifle
• Plasma Cannon

Minmatar Commando Bonuses:

• Combat Rifle
• Assault Combat Rifle
• Swarm Launcher
• Specialist Swarm Launcher
• Assault Swarm Launcher
• Mass Driver
• Breach Mass Driver
• Assault Mass Driver

Caldari Commando Bonuses

• Rail Rifle
• Sniper Rifle
• Tactical Sniper Rifle
• Charge Sniper Rifle
• Specialist Sniper Rifle

To prevent myself from being misleading as you claim me to be, I took the liberty of highlighting weapons (and their variants) of items that are underpowered, and/or receiving an unnecessary nerf in 1.8 that will make the underpowered.

Your complaining about your Commando not having worthwhile bonuses, while the Caldari and Gallente Commandos have a damage bonus to only one weapon worth running? Lol?

As for the reload bonus, the Caldari and Minmatar don't need the reload bonus either. Arguably, their is no need for the reload bonus at all due to the exploit that allows you to shorten the reload animation. The only Commando who could possibly benifit from this is the Gallente, and you think this makes the Amarr Commando not worth using? Lol?

I will however, give you the fact that the Commando A-1 has no High or Low slots. However, I will also revoke this as the 1.8 Commando will have a 1/1 layout.

---

You should really be more descriptive when you talk about how the Amarr Logistics gives up two slots for it's sidearm.

At most, you are giving up 72.6HP by lacking a 4th High Slot. If you believe that this hampers your ability to use Damage Modifiers, then you might just be be a scrub.

While I hate to be lazy, I'm far too tired to calculate the maximum eHP ceiling of all the Logistics. So I won't provide a detailed fitting layout of them.

It seems as if you completely disregarded my scenario, so I'll just put things in laymen's terms. The Amarr Logistics is the best simply because you get the ability to carry a second weapon while only having to give up 72.6HP and a 4th equipment slot.

It's the best Assault suit as well simply because the only Assault suit that has 2 equipment slots is the Balac's Modified Assault ck.0, which is impossible to obtain unless you won the tourney back in beta. But the Amarr Logistics touts 3 equipment slots; meaning it's literally the Balac's Modified Assault ck.0 dropsuit; but with 1 less high slot and an additional Equipment slot.

So basically you have an Officer Assault suit that can be restocked with ISK, and you still refuse to believe that it's the best Medium Frame in the game? Lol?

I put an Energizer ........................... as a Sentinel cannot sufficiently rep their Armor by themselves.

Did you seriously use the 1HP/s as an assertion..............................(This assumes Max. HP and gk.0 suit, which moves at 3.14m/s) Lol?

stuff about amarr weaponry

But since we want to talk about having a bonus to useless weapons, let's take an objective look at the Commando Bonuses shall we?

Amarr Commando Bonuses:

• Scrambler Rifle
• Assault Scrambler Rifle
• Laser Rifle

Gallente Commando Bonuses:

• Assault Rifle
• Burst Assault Rifle
• Breach Assault Rifle
• Tactical Assault Rifle
• Plasma Cannon
• Shotgun

Minmatar Commando Bonuses:

• Combat Rifle
• Assault Combat Rifle
• Swarm Launcher
• Specialist Swarm Launcher
• Assault Swarm Launcher
• Mass Driver
• Breach Mass Driver
• Assault Mass Driver

Caldari Commando Bonuses

• Rail Rifle
• Assault Rail Rifle
• Sniper Rifle
• Tactical Sniper Rifle
• Charge Sniper Rifle
• Specialist Sniper Rifle

To prevent myself from being misleading as you claim me to be, I took the liberty of highlighting weapons (and their variants) of items that are underpowered, and/or receiving an unnecessary nerf in 1.8 that will make the underpowered.

Your complaining about your Commando not having worthwhile bonuses, while the Caldari and Gallente Commandos have a damage bonus to only one weapon worth running? Lol?

As for the reload bonus, the Caldari and Minmatar don't need the reload bonus either. Arguably, their is no need for the reload bonus at all due to the exploit that allows you to shorten the reload animation. The only Commando who could possibly benifit from this is the Gallente, and you think this makes the Amarr Commando not worth using? Lol?

Also, in any balance discussion, listen to scouts when you talk about how having 0.2m/s speed (or whatever amount you refer to) is important because it's not. Not even in the slightest. Speed is irrelevant in this game because heavies can spin on a penny and a rail rifle can aim-assist snipe you from 100m whilst running at full speed. Why do so many people armor tank in this game? Because they realised that the speed you lose from doing so has no effect on your ability to stay alive. That's why the most dangerous scouts (e.g. marauder) armor tank their scouts into the ground.

So, yes, please forget anything you think you know about speed - it means nothing here.

Thus far the only people who have appeared stupid are those who have refused to engage Magnus in reasonable discussion.

unfortunately getting used too.

Did you seriously use the 1HP/s as an assertion..............................(This assumes Max. HP and gk.0 suit, which moves at 3.14m/s) Lol?

stuff about amarr weaponry

But since we want to talk about having a bonus to useless weapons, let's take an objective look at the Commando Bonuses shall we?

Amarr Commando Bonuses:

• Scrambler Rifle
• Assault Scrambler Rifle
• Laser Rifle

Gallente Commando Bonuses:

• Assault Rifle
• Burst Assault Rifle
• Breach Assault Rifle
• Tactical Assault Rifle
• Plasma Cannon
• Shotgun

Minmatar Commando Bonuses:

• Combat Rifle
• Assault Combat Rifle
• Swarm Launcher
• Specialist Swarm Launcher
• Assault Swarm Launcher
• Mass Driver
• Breach Mass Driver
• Assault Mass Driver

Caldari Commando Bonuses

• Rail Rifle
• Assault Rail Rifle
• Sniper Rifle
• Tactical Sniper Rifle
• Charge Sniper Rifle
• Specialist Sniper Rifle

To prevent myself from being misleading as you claim me to be, I took the liberty of highlighting weapons (and their variants) of items that are underpowered, and/or receiving an unnecessary nerf in 1.8 that will make the underpowered.

Your complaining about your Commando not having worthwhile bonuses, while the Caldari and Gallente Commandos have a damage bonus to only one weapon worth running? Lol?

As for the reload bonus, the Caldari and Minmatar don't need the reload bonus either. Arguably, their is no need for the reload bonus at all due to the exploit that allows you to shorten the reload animation. The only Commando who could possibly benifit from this is the Gallente, and you think this makes the Amarr Commando not worth using? Lol?

Amarr logi is the best assault suit? Did I read that right?

Omg... Wtf lol.

It is not the best... Far from it. Any good player will tell you that. Hint: Strafe speed is important.
Edit: I'm too lazy to quote the post itself.

Honestly? Really you believe this crap?

Best medium frame? So I guess having 1 fewer slot than everyone else makes it the best somehow?

Best logi? Once again -1 slot, same or less fittings than everyone else.... almost as slow as minmatar commando.

Amarr logi is the best assault suit? Did I read that right?

Omg... Wtf lol.

It is not the best... Far from it. Any good player will tell you that. Hint: Strafe speed is important.
Edit: I'm too lazy to quote the post itself.

Strafe speed is meaningless in a game with auto-aim.

// Max Armor = 1250.25
// Repair Rate = 1.00HP/s

[1250.25 / 60] = 20.8375 // Minutes

[60 * .8375] = 50.25 // Seconds

Let's look at this instance. Two Mass Driver users are having a duel, and both of their clips run dry. What happens next? The logi without the sidearm is fumbling and jumping everywhere while trying to reload; whilst the logi with the sidearm whipped out his SMG (or pistol) and finished off the logi with no sidearm. (And so-forth for every weapon in the game).

@Magnus Amadeus

When you look at base stats, you are correct. The Base shields on the Sentinel gk.0 is 390HP, while the Sentinel ak.0 rests at 360. However, you forget to mention the fact that the Sentinel ak.0 has a 2/4 layout while the Sentinel gk.0 has a 1/4 layout. Assuming you both decide to run as many Shield Extenders as possible, the Amarr Sentinel will now boast 595.2HP of shields, beating the Gallente Sentinel with 560.1HP of shields by 35.1HP.

While this is insignificant, It us a free Enhanced Module isn't it?

If the Sentinel gk.0 truly had 656.25HP of armor, then you'd have lost this argument a long time ago and I would have laughed at your claims about how the Amarr Sentinel wouldn't be as good as the other Sentinels.

Assuming you use the largest amount of HP possible, the Sentinel gk.0 suit will have 1250.25HP of armor.

I guess I'll break down my math here:


When you round, that is 20min and 50s. You commented about how with 4 Complex Armor Plates, the Sentinel ak.0 would only have 656.25HP of armor, but it seems you forgot to include the Base HP as well.

Also, no it is not a "FREE BASIC MODULE". It's not even a "FREE MILITIA MODULE". The STD and MLT Armor Repair Modules repair at 2HP/s, while the Gallente Sentinel has an innate rep of only 1HP/s. Though assuming you were correct, it's still insignificant. If I gave the Amarr Sentinel an innate 5% bonus to melee damage, would you accept that?

It is a free basic module after all.

---

I'm sorry, but the fact that you added the Shotgun is rather insulting. What use would someone have for the Shotgun on an Armored Commando? You wouldn't

People aren't going to flock to the Caldari Commando for sniping. Why you might ask?

It's not a viable class. The hit detection and zoom issues are so faulty that the only viable Sniper Rifle is the Thale's TAR-07; which is an Officer Weapon.


You do realize that you can use an exploit to practically negate the reload on any weapon, right?

---

Actually, it's 7% possible HP at the most, which is very insignificant when you have the ability to carry a 2nd weapon in exchange.

Call BS on my assertion you say? Let's take a look at these weapons:

• Swarm Launcher
• Assault Swarm Launcher
• Specialist Swarm Launcher
• Laser Rifle
• Sniper Rifle
• Specialist Sniper Rifle
• Tactical Sniper Rifle
• Charge Sniper Rifle
• Plasma Cannon

All of these weapons that are difficult to near impossible to run without a sidearm of some sort. I challenge you to run any of these weapons on a Logistics suit (other than Amarr). Then tell me how the lack of a Sidearm doesn't spell instant death for you.

Also, you've still yet to refute my hypothetical situation:


2 Slots are not always better than 1; It depends on the contents and options the slots have. For example, let's say I created a different slot and moved Myrofibril Stimulants, Precision Enhancers, and Range Amplifiers to it. We'll call this the X slot.

Now, what if I took away 2 Low Slots from all of the Amarr frames, and added 4 X Slots? By your logic, this would be a buff simply because 4 > 2.

And now, I I take away 2 X Slots and give the Assault mk.0 an extra low slot? By your logic, this would be both a nerf and/or sacrifice, simply because 2 > 1. Lol?

What need do you have for speed? There isn't a single Medium Frame in the game that can outstrafe Aim Assist, so being fast won't mean a thing if your trying to dodge bullets. Need to move to the next point? Just grab an LAV.

---

If you believe that the loss of stacking a 4th Damage Modifier, 1 Shield Extender, or Myrofibril Stimulant is a sacrifice that prevents something from being the best; you are bad, and should feel bad.

If you believe that a suit will be at a disadvantage because of 9.34HP and 0.01m/s you are bad and should feel bad.

30PG is actually not that bad. Perhaps you might not realize this, but you can't have all PRO items on any suit without making some kind of sacrifice with your fittings. That's called balance son.

And you then you go spout more crap yourself.

-1 slots is non-issue. To put why in the form of an analogy: 4 guys are each given a $100. 3 of them are told to go buy 7 items, except the 4th, he only has to buy six. Guess who's buying the higher quality goods?

Says this ^ to the best shot gunner in the game thatll go 50/0 in a dragonfly scout with a MTL SHOTGUN lol.


*FACEPALM*

Ah, that must be why I'm losing to hardcore circle-strangers while I'm using a scrambler rifle (i.e. Massive alpha on their shields) and 200 EHP more than them!

Because their strafing is irrelevant!